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  • Ohio school fires teacher after learning she is gay through her mother's obituary

    I think this is outrageous. A Catholic school in Columbus, Ohio has fired a woman who had been employed there for 19 years as a teacher, after a parent saw her name listed with her female partner's in her mother's obituary. The school immediately fired her.

    Now I know people will say, "well, she worked for a religious school so they have a right to hire and fire people who don't adhere to their religious doctrine;" my response though is that the school was clearly satisfied with her work for 19 years, and she didn't become gay overnight, so her experience and history clearly demonstrated that she was a competent and valued faculty member. I personally think it's disgusting.

    High School Fires Teacher After Her Partner&#39;s Name Appeared In Her Mother&#39;s Obituary

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    Re: Ohio school fires teacher after learning she is gay through her mother's obituary

    Fire the teacher but hang on to the child molester priests....it's all part of the plan

    I have no expectation (or desire) for the Roman Catholic church to accept homosexuality but it would sure be nice if they at least decided on one set of rules.

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      Re: Ohio school fires teacher after learning she is gay through her mother's obituary

      Personally I think the catholic school had every right in the world to let her go. But as Luther pointed out, they have kept child molesters which were priests. Some consistency would go a long way in making this acceptable. But there is no consistency is there?

      I don't think it is disgusting though. Perhaps if you want to keep a job with the catholics you might better use better judgment and keep your sexual preference between you and your mate and not publicize it by having it printed in the paper. I wonder if she wrote the obit? If so, she might be a good teacher but she isn't that bright.

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      Personally I think the catholic school had every right in the world to let her go. But as Luther pointed out, they have kept child molesters which were priests. Some consistency would go a long way in making this acceptable. But there is no consistency is there?

      I don't think it is disgusting though. Perhaps if you want to keep a job with the catholics you might better use better judgment and keep your sexual preference between you and your mate and not publicize it by having it printed in the paper. I wonder if she wrote the obit? If so, she might be a good teacher but she isn't that bright.

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        Originally posted by Lutherf View Post
        Fire the teacher but hang on to the child molester priests....it's all part of the plan

        I have no expectation (or desire) for the Roman Catholic church to accept homosexuality but it would sure be nice if they at least decided on one set of rules.
        You're mixing entities -- the school on one hand and the church on the other. The church doesn't hire and fire the school's teachers, and the school doesn't make decisions on priests.

        Be that as it may, I surmise that the chief difference here is the individual's choice to treat what is considered a sin as a legitimate lifestyle. Molester priests typically will not claim that their actions are not sinful but a legitimate lifestyle choice.

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          Re: Ohio school fires teacher after learning she is gay through her mother's obituary

          Must be that special Christian "love" for all mankind we've heard so much about.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by MattInFla View Post
            Must be that special Christian "love" for all mankind we've heard so much about.
            Probably, yes.

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              Re: Ohio school fires teacher after learning she is gay through her mother's obituary

              Originally posted by Wolfgang View Post
              You're mixing entities -- the school on one hand and the church on the other. The church doesn't hire and fire the school's teachers, and the school doesn't make decisions on priests.

              Be that as it may, I surmise that the chief difference here is the individual's choice to treat what is considered a sin as a legitimate lifestyle. Molester priests typically will not claim that their actions are not sinful but a legitimate lifestyle choice.
              But her "lifestyle choice" (as you put it) had zero impact on her work for 19 years. How can the school then claim she was a bad role model, a poor teacher, etc, when there is 19 years of evidence to he contrary. I think it's just bloody shameful. It's not as if the school didn't hire someone because they are gay; they fired her after a 19-year record of exemplary service once they found out. If any other organisation did that they'd be prosecuted, but throughout history, religious organisations have been allowed to get away with "it".

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              • #8
                Originally posted by noahath View Post
                But her "lifestyle choice" (as you put it) had zero impact on her work for 19 years.
                Right, because (presumably) she kept it to herself. Once she's publicly living that lifestyle, she's publicly repudiating Catholic teaching, and keeping her can be considered tantamount to endorsement.

                How can the school then claim she was a bad role model, a poor teacher, etc, when there is 19 years of evidence to he contrary. I think it's just bloody shameful. It's not as if the school didn't hire someone because they are gay; they fired her after a 19-year record of exemplary service once they found out. If any other organisation did that they'd be prosecuted, but throughout history, religious organisations have been allowed to get away with "it".
                Suppose someone worked for an organization dedicated to homosexual causes and that person turned out to be a homophobe and came out publicly as such with his/her anti-gay views ... Should the gay rights organization be forced to continue to employ him/her?

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                  Re: Ohio school fires teacher after learning she is gay through her mother's obituary

                  Originally posted by noahath View Post
                  I think this is outrageous. A Catholic school in Columbus, Ohio has fired a woman who had been employed there for 19 years as a teacher, after a parent saw her name listed with her female partner's in her mother's obituary. The school immediately fired her.

                  Now I know people will say, "well, she worked for a religious school so they have a right to hire and fire people who don't adhere to their religious doctrine;" my response though is that the school was clearly satisfied with her work for 19 years, and she didn't become gay overnight, so her experience and history clearly demonstrated that she was a competent and valued faculty member. I personally think it's disgusting.

                  High School Fires Teacher After Her Partner's Name Appeared In Her Mother's Obituary
                  Well, if it's completely privately funded, then I don't see a problem with it. People get fired all the time for all sorts of reasons besides competence. If they are publicly funded, then they shouldn't be getting a dime of taxpayer dollars if they fired her for this.

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                    Re: Ohio school fires teacher after learning she is gay through her mother's obituary

                    Originally posted by MeadHallPirate
                    ahoy Wolfgang,

                    i can see yer point here.

                    if the school in question is willin' to give up its preferred tax status, i think they probably should be allowed to kick out anyone, be it fer thar skin color or thar sexual preferences or whatever they wish, since 'tis a private school.

                    do i find it wierd that an american citizen's career be in tatters because she identified herself and her partner in her own mother's obituary? aye, i do. its a moment when i can actually almost feel embarrassed to be an American - but to each his own, i guess.

                    - MeadHallPirate
                    You find it weird because you have no religious beliefs that dictate right and wrong to you. For some of us, our religious beliefs are part and parcel of who we are. The government has been banned from using taxes as a way of controlling those religious beliefs and actions and rightly so.

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                      Re: Ohio school fires teacher after learning she is gay through her mother's obituary

                      Originally posted by noahath View Post
                      But her "lifestyle choice" (as you put it) had zero impact on her work for 19 years. How can the school then claim she was a bad role model, a poor teacher, etc, when there is 19 years of evidence to he contrary. I think it's just bloody shameful. It's not as if the school didn't hire someone because they are gay; they fired her after a 19-year record of exemplary service once they found out. If any other organisation did that they'd be prosecuted, but throughout history, religious organisations have been allowed to get away with "it".
                      I think you're adding a bit of exaggeration to add emotions to your perpsective, Noah. As I read down that littany of articles and videos about this event, I do not see adjectives like "exemplary" or "valued." Closest I came was the former student who characterized her as "long-standing and respected." There is also no mention of any kind of impact her sexual preference had on her work. For all we know from those articles, she could have had a secret coven of debauchery in operation for 19 years or she could have donated all of her salary to feed the poor ... we simply don't know.

                      As to the school firing her, one or some of those articles note she had a contract with the school which she willfully violated (presumably, though we're not told, for 19 years). Every parochial school or religious school of which I'm aware do have morality clauses (as spelled out from the school's perspective) in their employment contracts and those clauses typically spell out "termination" as the consequence for violating that clause. This teacher, though probably an effective teacher, gambled and was winning for 19 years. Only now that she's finally received the consequence of her behavior is she (and others) trying to make our out the victim of the mean-and-nasty Catholic Church.

                      SHE signed the contract, SHE indulged her sexual preferene behind the back of her employer, SHE beat the rap, knowingly, for 19 years. I don't think she now gets the right to whine and complain that someone ELSE is unfair. She knew the risks when she took the job. Now quit whining and moaning about getting caught and go get another job or take early retirement, but at least man up (er, so to speak) and take your consequences like a person with at least a shred of integrity (assuming she hasn't lost that, too, over the last 19 years of hiding).

                      I'm sorry to be so callous, but I see only ONE party to that contract who hasn't upheld it... and it's not the school.

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                        Re: Ohio school fires teacher after learning she is gay through her mother's obituary

                        Originally posted by MeadHallPirate
                        ahoy Wolfgang,

                        i can see yer point here.

                        if the school in question is willin' to give up its preferred tax status, i think they probably should be allowed to kick out anyone, be it fer thar skin color or thar sexual preferences or whatever they wish, since 'tis a private school.

                        do i find it wierd that an american citizen's career be in tatters because she identified herself and her partner in her own mother's obituary? aye, i do. its a moment when i can actually almost feel embarrassed to be an American - but to each his own, i guess.

                        - MeadHallPirate
                        One thing that has not been reported is the Contract with the School. There most likely is a "morality" clause in the contract that states all employees must follow Catholic teachings or something to that effect.

                        Would there be as much outcry if this woman was fired after she got a divorce and was found to have committed adultery?

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                          Re: Ohio school fires teacher after learning she is gay through her mother's obituary

                          Originally posted by MattInFla View Post
                          Must be that special Christian "love" for all mankind we've heard so much about.
                          Not even close!

                          When Christ commanded us to "...love your neighbor as yourself," he did not say "...and condone everything they do." In fact, according to the writer of the Book of Hebrews (12:5-7), God (and, by example, "Christians") honor those He chastises:
                          And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons? "My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor be weary when reproved by him. For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son
                          whom he receives." It is for discipline that you have to endure. God is treating you as sons. For what son is there whom his father does not discipline?
                          Lots of folks expect to hide under their own definition of what "Christian love" is. I can't tell you how many times someone who is not a believer or a Christ follower has told me, personally or as part of a group, that I have to do [this] because I'm a Christian and I'm supposed to love ... or I'm supposed to accept [that] because I'm a Christian and I'm supposed to love. Similarly, any time I hold (and express) an opinion that some non-believer and non-Christ follower thinks is contrary to their definition of what a "Christian" is, I hear about it.

                          Notice to all who need it: I'm not beholding to your definition of what my faith requires of me. I have the Holy Spirit and I have the Bible to guide me. That is sufficient for me.

                          (though I doubt it will make any change)

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                            Re: Ohio school fires teacher after learning she is gay through her mother's obituary

                            Originally posted by MeadHallPirate
                            ahoy OldmanDan,

                            yer probably right on that point.

                            i can't see the point in villifyin' a lass because she prefers women o'er men - and that indeed may be because God never told me so, or perhaps i never heeded his/her/it's message.

                            certainly i think a private organization ought to be able to do as it wishes (even discriminatory measures) as long as thar policies aren't supported by the Government (state or federal). i just think they ought to be made to surrender any preferred tax status they have and continue on thar way.

                            on a kinda unrelated note, my own observation be that men (across all spectrums, colors, and religions) seem to enjoy and approve 'o lesbianism, provided the lesbians are attractive, toned, youthful girls...so imma doubly unclear on the outrage comin' from this school's administrators or the folks on this forum.

                            - MeadHallPirate
                            Maybe they didn't find her attractive, toned, or youthful?

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                              Re: Ohio school fires teacher after learning she is gay through her mother's obituary

                              An odd counter point to the outcome of this thread is the following court decision:
                              In an e-mail reply to Wathen, Jim A. Walder of the TimberCreek Bed & Breakfast wrote: "We will never host same-sex civil unions. We will never host same-sex weddings even if they become legal in Illinois. "We believe homosexuality is wrong and unnatural based on what the Bible says about it. If that is discrimination, I guess we unfortunately discriminate," Walder wrote.

                              Wathen and his partner filed complaints with the Illinois Attorney General and the Illinois Department of Human Rights, according to Gay Chicago Magazine. The conduct of both businesses violates the Illinois Human Rights Act, which prohibits discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation by businesses open to the public.
                              Wathen and his partner are seeking a personal apology "and want to be treated with dignity and respect," according to the Windy City Times.


                              "Not only do we ask this for ourselves, but we ask this for every gay and lesbian person in Illinois," Wathen said. "We want these businesses to be held to the standard of the law. I mean what will be next, if we let them discriminate against us. Are these businesses going to go backwards and start discriminating [based on a person's] race, color, sex, national origin, or what if they don't like your religion, [will they] discriminate because of that?"


                              Gay Couple Sues Illinois Bed And Breakfast For Refusing To Host Civil Union Ceremony
                              So a B&B, a business open to the public, should not discriminate against LGBT couples who want to book their weddings there. But in the case of the school mentioned in the thread, it's OK?

                              Is the school not open tot he public? Is it intent for public use that's the deciding factor?

                              OK, what if the B&B declared that it was private property, by invitation only? Does that change things?

                              Is it the intention that eventually all religions will have to stop their preaching about LGBT being not being part of their value systems? Isn't that going to be a realy problem for them as they've been preaching that since like day 1?
                              Last edited by eohrnberger; 04-19-2013, 07:42 AM.

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