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Obama: 'You Can Never Spend Too Much Killing Babies'

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  • #91
    Re: Obama: 'You Can Never Spend Too Much Killing Babies'

    Originally posted by Jihad4Beer View Post
    It seems Republicans want young teen Moms to have children they have little or no means to support but then Republicans turn around and bitch about those Moms and their offspring on welfare.
    Are you referencing the moms that don't know how to keep their legs closed, the moms that have children with multiple men, the moms that decide to stay home instead of figuring out how to get out of their situation or some other type of mom?

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    • #92
      Re: Obama: 'You Can Never Spend Too Much Killing Babies'

      Jihad4Beer
      It seems Republicans want young teen Moms to have children they have little or no means to support but then Republicans turn around and bitch about those Moms and their offspring on welfare.
      No, what Republicans want (at least the genuine conservatives) is for teens to stop engaging in practices that lead them to becoming unwed parents. We did not always have as high a rate of teen (or unwed) pregnancy in this country as we do today, it is not driven by human nature, but by the steady decline of moral accountability and standards in the culture.

      For all the blather about racism and legacy of discrimination, etc., etc..., nearly the entire difference in poverty between blacks and whites in this country is attributable to the significantly higher out-of-wedlock birth rate among the former, and I put the blame squarely on the left for ignoring the one immutable law, the law of unintended consequences.

      Today, if you set out with the goal to destroy generations of families and increase the rates of poverty and nearly every social pathology there is, you would look the the "Great Society" programs as the perfect blue print.

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      • #93
        Re: Obama: 'You Can Never Spend Too Much Killing Babies'

        Originally posted by Marcus1124 View Post
        No, what Republicans want (at least the genuine conservatives) is for teens to stop engaging in practices that lead them to becoming unwed parents. We did not always have as high a rate of teen (or unwed) pregnancy in this country as we do today, it is not driven by human nature, but by the steady decline of moral accountability and standards in the culture.

        For all the blather about racism and legacy of discrimination, etc., etc..., nearly the entire difference in poverty between blacks and whites in this country is attributable to the significantly higher out-of-wedlock birth rate among the former, and I put the blame squarely on the left for ignoring the one immutable law, the law of unintended consequences.

        Today, if you set out with the goal to destroy generations of families and increase the rates of poverty and nearly every social pathology there is, you would look the the "Great Society" programs as the perfect blue print.
        People no longer want to address the real problems of society, they want to make new laws that try to compensate for the lack of moral values. Teen Pregnancy problem, make abortion easier. Murder problem, ban guns. Poverty problem, pay people not to work. Never address the real problem.

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        • #94
          Re: Obama: 'You Can Never Spend Too Much Killing Babies'

          Originally posted by noahath View Post
          I actually object to that analogy. In some cases the unborn child may be as a result of actions beyond the woman's control (eg rape), but much of the time it is due to the laziness or unwillingness of the mother to practice basic sexual health and use appropriate contraception. It's less the fault of the baby and 100% the fault of both parties involved in those situations.
          Leaving your door wide open for an intruder to enter is also laziness and unwillingness to practice basic safety, but it does not justify unlawful entry and it does not mean that the homeowners should lose their rights to property or self-defense.

          Mind you, I wonder how many of the 360,000+ people who supported Mississippi's personhood amendment in 2011 (which was narrowly defeated 57-42%) would also support the banning of contraception?
          Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
          If the taking of a human life is not evil,
          So if you kill in self-defense, you're evil, right? I guess the only good people are either fortunate (to not be attacked/invaded) or dead.

          there is no good and evil, left, right, up, down. Neither is there action/reaction. You universe is one of nonduality. Which is basically insanity. Yet the truly insane don't know they are insane. There is just something wrong with everyone else. A type of sociopathy perhaps.

          When you say "uninvited intruder" you are dehumanizing, and you are doing what Hitler done with the jews. We always dehumanize before we make it ok to take other human lives. Your transparency betrays you.
          Right, the jews were killed because they broke into other people's homes and stuck their heads up the owners' vaginas. Good analogy!

          I figure you have many more lives to return in before you ascend out of total ignorance.

          Just pray that your own life is not devalued before your ego dies with the body. I assume you like life. Since you are still here and have not blown your brains out. But you don't mind killing other lives. You call them uninvited intruders. So what are you? Were you invited? Or were your parents moral enough not to kill you while still safe inside your mother's womb?
          I would have no objection either way. Either I'm wanted or I leave. I don't fear being "devalued" because I don't break into people's homes, so I feel pretty safe.

          The man who is deeply immoral cannot know morality. But he sure as hell can cause more disorder and suffering on this plane of existence. And he delights in it.
          I place the lives of lawful people who keep to themselves above the lives of intruders who would harm them. I take it if someone broke into your home, you'd roll over and let them do whatever they wanted, right?

          Originally posted by Marcus1124 View Post
          Gee, killing innocent human beings for convenience and the avoidance of costs. Why stop at the truly arbitrary (in terms of the biological viability of the baby as a human life) geographic distinction of which end of the birth canal it happens to be in (in whole or in part). Why doesn't that argument hold true for those who just decide to leave their newborn in a dumpster?
          People should have the right to not support others. I don't support forced welfare. I take it you are a welfare supporter, right?

          It is a medical fact that partial birth abortions are never medically neccesary (in any case where it is necessary for the life or health of the mother to terminate the pregnancy, there is absolutely no health requirement to do it as a late-term abortion rather than merely completing the delivery and producing a birthed child). The only reason for partial birth abortion is for the express purpose of ending up with a dead baby following the termination of the pregnancy, rather than a live one. In terms of the health of the mother it would make no difference doing an early delivery of a live baby instead of a partial birth and abortion of the child.
          In cases where babies were killed after birth with scissors or the like, I agree it should not have been done. The abortion doctor could have easily left the baby on its own and let the pro-lifers have their victory of a baby who died and suffered for a while, as opposed to being killed quickly.

          In other words, the primary goal is NOT to terminate the pregnancy (the medical needs of the mother could be met through early live delivery) but to end up with a dead baby. Disgusting and morally indefensible.
          What if it's easier and safer to terminate the fetus first to make it easier to take out?

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          • #95
            Re: Obama: 'You Can Never Spend Too Much Killing Babies'

            Slon
            People should have the right to not support others. I don't support forced welfare. I take it you are a welfare supporter, right?
            If your method of removing the burdone of people on welfare was to just kill them, I would be opposed to that. Rights come in a heirarchy. When the right to personal convenience (in this instance the convenience of being unburdened by a child) comes at the cost of that child's right to life, guess which should win out.

            Also, if we accept your unqualified statemetn that "people should have a right to not support others", does that mean you believe that parents have an absolute right not to care for their children even once born?

            Slon
            In cases where babies were killed after birth with scissors or the like, I agree it should not have been done. The abortion doctor could have easily left the baby on its own and let the pro-lifers have their victory of a baby who died and suffered for a while, as opposed to being killed quickly.
            So, you do not believe that there is a moral requirement for a medical professional or the parents to care for a living child even once born? How is that any different from a parent dumping their three month old in a dumpster, or just leaving it in its crib to die after suffering for a while? After all, according to you "people should have the right to not support others", so why should it be a crime to leave your baby uncared for in its crib if you don't want to support it?

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            • #96
              Re: Obama: 'You Can Never Spend Too Much Killing Babies'

              Originally posted by Marcus1124 View Post
              If your method of removing the burdone of people on welfare was to just kill them,
              Well it's not. But you have to accept that some will die due to your inaction.

              I would be opposed to that. Rights come in a heirarchy. When the right to personal convenience (in this instance the convenience of being unburdened by a child) comes at the cost of that child's right to life, guess which should win out.
              I'm sure you can find someone who needs money for a lifesaving procedure. Once you do, I fully expect you to sell all of your belongings to help them. You won't disappoint me, right?

              Also, if we accept your unqualified statemetn that "people should have a right to not support others", does that mean you believe that parents have an absolute right not to care for their children even once born?
              Yes. You have the same right. Why should you have the right to not support them, while another does?

              So, you do not believe that there is a moral requirement for a medical professional or the parents to care for a living child even once born? How is that any different from a parent dumping their three month old in a dumpster, or just leaving it in its crib to die after suffering for a while? After all, according to you "people should have the right to not support others", so why should it be a crime to leave your baby uncared for in its crib if you don't want to support it?
              It shouldn't. And if it's immoral, then aren't you just as culpable in its death? Or do only other people deserve to be burdened with the moral and legal obligation to give up personal convenience to actively help someone?

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