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When did you choose to be straight?

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  • When did you choose to be straight?

    This is a fairly short video (exactly 3 mins), but it's a terrific examination of people's way of thinking around sexuality as a choic (Source, WHEN DID YOU CHOOSE TO BE STRAIGHT?)

    I know there are many here on the Forum who believe that homosexuality is a choice, but I think it would be interesting to spend 3 mins watching this clip, then answering the following question(s):
    1. Do you think homosexuality is a choice?
    2. If yes, when did you choose to be straight?




    To kick things off: from my very personal perspective, homosexuality is not a choice. I did not sit down one day and choose to be gay. Why would anyone choose to be gay? The social vilification that many gays experience is not exactly conducive as a recruitment tool. I therefore believe that sexuality is not a choice for anyone.

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    Re: When did you choose to be straight?

    To your question: I don't really recall choosing to be straight... but if I did, I'm sure that a nice, large, round, soft, smooth, breast, topped by a lusciously sensitive protruding nipple had something to do with it. Thinking back... maybe two of them.

    (clears throat)

    As to your point: no, no one chooses to be gay. No one chooses to be fat, or have red hair, or to have a small penis.

    Now most or all of those things are (likely) genetic. Being gay might well be too. Or being gay might well be psychological in nature... the way some people are too fat (or too thin) do to psychological disorders.

    As you yourself stated: being gay is not a natural state. As such, it is an unnatural one, and thus has a 'cause' and that could be physical (genetic) or psychological... or both. And since there is therefor a 'cause' then there must be a 'cure'

    Is this a point on which we can agree?

    If so... then 'someday' 1, 10, or 100 years from now (I don't really know when, like I don't really know how) a 'cure' might well be found. If not a cure, then perhaps a genetic marker, might be discovered. This, when and if it is discovered, will 'change everything' Because with this either Homosexuality, can be 'cured' in adults or failing at that, eliminated (bred out) of the population. As you said: 'who would choose to be gay?'

    Is this a point on which we can agree?

    The 'gay Gene' Debate | Assault On Gay America | FRONTLINE | PBS

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      Re: When did you choose to be straight?

      Originally posted by tsquare View Post
      As you yourself stated: being gay is not a natural state. As such, it is an unnatural one, and thus has a 'cause' and that could be physical (genetic) or psychological... or both. And since there is therefor a 'cause' then there must be a 'cure'
      Where did I state that being gay is not a natural state?

      What if society is all mixed up? What if being gay is "normal" and being heterosexual is the result of 'confusion'. If that were (hypothetically) the case, would you advocate as strongly for a cure for heterosexuality? Why/why not?

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        Re: When did you choose to be straight?

        Originally posted by noahath View Post
        Where did I state that being gay is not a natural state?

        What if society is all mixed up? What if being gay is "normal" and being heterosexual is the result of 'confusion'. If that were (hypothetically) the case, would you advocate as strongly for a cure for heterosexuality? Why/why not?
        Gay / straight is not a societal issue... it is one of biology. You yourself make this point... it is not a choice.

        And as biology, being predisposed not to reproduce is not natural. As such I am not advocating for or against being gay... or straight.

        Now... can we agree that being predisposed not to reproduce is not natural?

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          Re: When did you choose to be straight?

          Originally posted by tsquare View Post
          Gay / straight is not a societal issue... it is one of biology. You yourself make this point... it is not a choice.

          And as biology, being predisposed not to reproduce is not natural. As such I am not advocating for or against being gay... or straight.

          Now... can we agree that being predisposed not to reproduce is not natural?
          But if something is biological, how can it not be natural? For example, down syndrome is not the "norm", but it is natural, for which there is no cure. How can you cure something that is natural? Sure it's an aberration from the norm, but philosophically, what is the norm? It was only in the last 50 years that left-handedness became socially accepted (seriously!). Before then, people who were left handed were "treated" for their psychological condition. We now know that it's simply a factor stemming from some people's brains using a greater portion of a different section than others.

          I understand what you're saying, but where I'm coming from is if something is natural and biological, why are so may people fixated on trying to "cure" it? Where does it stop? Do we attempt to "cure" the gene that causes red hair, as fair skinned people are statistically more likely to develop skin cancer? Like I said, I understand what you're saying, but I don't agree that being gay is not natural. Voting Republican on the other hand .......

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            Re: When did you choose to be straight?

            Originally posted by noahath View Post
            I understand what you're saying, but where I'm coming from is if something is natural and biological, why are so may people fixated on trying to "cure" it?
            Because they are self hating repressed homosexuals?

            I have never had a problem with gay people, and I know I like women.

            I can't even imagine a man that I would even remotely want to have sex with.....well maybe Tom Brady...tee hee.

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              Re: When did you choose to be straight?

              Chose to be straight, not me I was born this way

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                Re: When did you choose to be straight?

                Originally posted by tsquare View Post
                Gay / straight is not a societal issue... it is one of biology. You yourself make this point... it is not a choice.

                And as biology, being predisposed not to reproduce is not natural. As such I am not advocating for or against being gay... or straight.

                Now... can we agree that being predisposed not to reproduce is not natural?
                And yet homosexual behaviour is prevalent threw out the whole animal kingdom...

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                  Re: When did you choose to be straight?

                  Originally posted by tsquare View Post
                  Gay / straight is not a societal issue... it is one of biology. You yourself make this point... it is not a choice.

                  And as biology, being predisposed not to reproduce is not natural. As such I am not advocating for or against being gay... or straight.

                  Now... can we agree that being predisposed not to reproduce is not natural?
                  From a species standpoint reproduction is not always the only endgame, as evidenced by altruistic behavior by human or non-human individuals which, while not necessarily passing on their own genes, do help promote the viability of the species as a whole. In that sense I think it's not unreasonable to say that it may in fact be a beneficial adaptation and not a negative abberation. One could even argue that homosexual partners adopting unrelated children and raising them is an example of this. Those children can then grow up to be reproducing members helping to ensure that species' continued existence.

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                    Re: When did you choose to be straight?

                    I didn't choose to be attracted to the opposite sex. I was wired with the propensity to do so, strongly wired, I might add. There is no choice involved, that is we don't go over our options at some point and decide as a conscious decision to be straight or gay. Our natural attraction to either of the sexes decides for us and consciousness follows those demands made at a deeper unconscious level.

                    When I first joined this board I called homosexuality "unnatural" and a member here actually threw logic and reason my way and an innate intelligence saw his argument as the fact of the matter. That changed my mind, although it must be understood that I never in my entire life ever really "thought" it out, my beliefs were based upon social conditioning not an intelligent look at this issue. And once a deeper intelligence sees something as truth, well, you can never go home again as the old saying goes...

                    Homosexuality is NATURAL. If not, we would not have any gay people at all. Now granted this lifestyle is adverse to reproduction if you only limit your sexual acts to the same sex, but this universe in concept operates in a duality, and the truth of the matter is, you cannot have heterosexuality without homosexuality. Because as soon as one is defined the other arises, not only in concept but in actuality. You cannot have left without right, up without down as one helps to define the other. A duality. Is there good without evil as a concept? Our existence is one of dualities, it is a fact, no matter how much objection is raised. Yet some would cast away the opposite and only want a non duality to exist. And that is certain insanity, certain insanity.

                    Everything that comes into existence is a natural occurrence. Nothing can be unnatural. The unnatural from the big picture never occurs. Only the brain picks and chooses what it wants to be natural and unnatural, according to its social conditioning of which religious beliefs are a part.

                    If you look without prejudice and see that gay people don't choose their sexual preference no more than you do, your attitude towards them would change perhaps. But if you believe that gays choose to be attracted to the same sex, you will also believe that they can change their minds and act natural. And perhaps that is one reason that some folks don't want to believe that no conscious choice is involved, that gays choose to be sexually attracted to the same sex.

                    Yet if you have ever grown up around a gay person and you watched their behavior as they grew into sexual maturity, there is no question that gay people are born, not cultivated. If you a staunch heterosexual can see yourself choosing to be gay, thereby forcing yourself to be attracted to the same sex, then perhaps being gay is a choice. But I don't believe that a heterosexual can change themselves into being attracted to the same sex because sexual attraction is not completely a conscious thing, but comes from a deeper level. I came here not liking the taste of raw celery. My entire family who loves it spent years trying to get me to like the taste. And to give them their way I would try it in various ways, yet the objectionable taste was always there, no matter what you put on it. I cannot choose to like that poisonous tasting vegetable, no matter how hard I try. Homosexuality is just like this, a certain percentage will be born, just like celery haters. Thank god this society never persecuted. those that hate the taste of celery!
                    Last edited by Blue Doggy; 05-10-2013, 08:59 AM.

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                      Re: When did you choose to be straight?

                      I chose to have sexual relations with women and chose not to have sexual relations with men, children, or animals when I was about 18.

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                        Re: When did you choose to be straight?

                        Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                        I chose to have sexual relations with women and chose not to have sexual relations with men, children, or animals when I was about 18.
                        So before you were 18 everyone and everything in town was pretty nervous, huh?

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                          Re: When did you choose to be straight?

                          Originally posted by hermanboo View Post
                          So before you were 18 everyone and everything in town was pretty nervous, huh?
                          Sure as hell should have been.

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                            Re: When did you choose to be straight?

                            Originally posted by noahath View Post
                            But if something is biological, how can it not be natural? For example, down syndrome is not the "norm", but it is natural, for which there is no cure. How can you cure something that is natural? Sure it's an aberration from the norm, but philosophically, what is the norm? It was only in the last 50 years that left-handedness became socially accepted (seriously!). Before then, people who were left handed were "treated" for their psychological condition. We now know that it's simply a factor stemming from some people's brains using a greater portion of a different section than others.
                            Cancer is then, by your definition 'natural' It occurs in nature, does it not?

                            Looking at Down's Syndrome, it is called a "chromosome abnormality" That would seem to match your "aberration from the norm" Does this wording make you more comfortable? To me they are all 'distinctions without differences'.

                            Then you compare being gay to being left handed. I disagree that 'only in the last 50 years that left-handedness became socially accepted ' Being 56 y.o. and left handed I can tell you that it wasn't accepted 50 years ago, and honestly is much better today. Oh sure, kids aren't being retained to write right handed (if they are taught at all to write... too much keyboarding!) but 'everything' is set up for right handed people.

                            Maybe 180 degrees from your point: 50 years ago, ADHD was not recognized as a 'condition' and no effort was made to 'cure' or 'treat' it. Today it is. Perhaps being gay might be the next 'ADHD'


                            Originally posted by noahath View Post
                            I understand what you're saying, but where I'm coming from is if something is natural and biological, why are so may people fixated on trying to "cure" it? Where does it stop? Do we attempt to "cure" the gene that causes red hair, as fair skinned people are statistically more likely to develop skin cancer? Like I said, I understand what you're saying, but I don't agree that being gay is not natural. Voting Republican on the other hand .......
                            And I understand your sensitivity to "everyone" wanting to somehow "cure" you. I get the 'same' treatment as I am fat. And EVERYONE is trying to cure that!

                            One reason of course would be... money. Think of the billions to be made just in a simple genetic test to determine if a child would be born with the (dreaded!) 'gay gene' And a full blown cure? Billions upon billions. Just think: one 35 dollar (US) tablet every day, and you can walk around liking girls! Billions upon billions to be made.

                            As to your point about 'curing' red hair... yup... I'd wager they are working on that too...

                            At some point parents might well be able to 'shop' for their children's genes. Tall? Blonde? Blue Eyes? Or whatever. Will this be a good thing? Maybe... or maybe not. I do know that if those folks that get all worked up over the genes used to make their lettuce more resistant to cold are still around their heads will explode.

                            Being gay is an aberration from the norm. These are your words, so I will say that we agree.

                            Thus being an aberration from the norm it has a cause, thus having a cause, it can be, in theory at least, cured.

                            Were it possible, a cure for gay adults, would you avail yourself of it? (I'm not talking about a 'maybe' here... no fakes, no voodoo, I'm talking a tried, true, double blind tested, Nobel Prize winning cure.)

                            Were it possible, given all that you have been through, would you put one more child through being gay?

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                              Re: When did you choose to be straight?

                              You ladies and gents are trying to tell me there was a point somewhere you decided you were gay or straight? Was this in line with deciding you were right or left handed? (Read into that what you will.)

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