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Use of N*gga Not Racial: Comparing Martin to Deen

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  • Use of N*gga Not Racial: Comparing Martin to Deen

    Unfortunately, I am not referring to the comedy team from the 1960s; I am comparing the chef who was recently fired to a teen killed in Florida. I am also referencing 2 pieces that pass as journalism. The narrative is Black v White, despite the accused Zimmerman self-identifying as a Hispanic and explicitly saying this has nothing to do with race. One of the journalists ends her article with a by-line:

    Can Rachel help prove that Trayvon was attacked by George Zimmerman?
    Not exactly a testimonial to objectivity. A couple of choice passages to consider. From Why Black People Understand Rachel Jeantel by Christina Coleman | Global Grind

    And for Don West to argue that the use of the word "nigga" was racial for Trayvon is incomprehensible, especially because he used it on a person who was not of African descent.
    I never heard the idea that that word only applied to people of African descent but to those of my Negro race. And the idea that the witness, Rachel Jeantel, is not of African descent is species.

    But, the initial fear of not knowing what would happen is something that black people can understand. And overlook. Which is something that someone with white privilege wouldn't exactly grasp.
    So, the narrative involves so-called White privilege despite the fact the story is not about race. From, What White People Don't Understand About Rachel Jeantel By Rachel Samara | Global Grind

    use of racial slurs like "cracka" and "n*gga" are slang (as Rachel put it) and that doesn't mean it comes from a racist place
    So, there we have it. Even IF the use of n*gga does not apply to those of African descent it does not mean it comes from a racist place! Now enter the case of Paula Deen. I saw the video. She made a joke about how dark a guy was who she obviously admired greatly. I submit, in contrast to the background in the Martin story, her firing reveals the opposite of White privilege, a double standard where any racial comments by one race are all excused and only the most politically correct comments on race by another race is allowed. Despite this, the audacity to refer to White privilege is yet another example of The Politics of Race/The Politics of Victimhood. Like Martin and his girlfriend, Deen used the n*gga word in private conversation. I present 2 articles were we are supposed to feel guilty for not understanding Martin and his gf world but Deen is summarily fired for doing the exact same thing in word choice. Thoughts?

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    Re: Use of N*gga Not Racial: Comparing Martin to Deen

    ***Putting Moderator hat on***

    Folks, this thread is for discussion of the use of language, not to discuss the case itself. For that go here:


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      Re: Use of N*gga Not Racial: Comparing Martin to Deen

      Actually, I am more interested in discussing the racial double standards or the emergence of Black Privilege as it relates to the use of language.

      The media always portrays Blacks thinking on race sympathetically, where the reader needs to understand their experience and world view. And all that is bad with that is Whiteys fault. By contrast, the media always portrays White thinking - and speaking - on race as ignorant, privileged, racist, prejudiced, etc. I look forward to a more balanced conversation here.

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        Re: Use of N*gga Not Racial: Comparing Martin to Deen

        Another example. Can you imagine if a Black sports announcer, hired specifically b/c of his racially provocative comments, got fired the 2nd week on the job b/c he observed the Black media were going easy on a White player b/c they wanted to see that White player succeed?

        I think not. I think he would be heralded as progressive, hip and his comments a sign of improving race relations. Why? Because football, along with other major sports, is dominated by Black players. And his comments pull back the curtain, as President George W Bush called the racism of low expectations. But this is not the media response to Rush Limbaugh.

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          You are only allowed to criticize straight, white, Christian, males. All others are off limits.

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            Re: Use of N*gga Not Racial: Comparing Martin to Deen

            Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
            You are only allowed to criticize straight, white, Christian, males. All others are off limits.
            And using the phrase, "creepy ass cracker' as used by Martin is not racist according to jantel.

            I noticed last night cnn had a man on the street, showing passerbys several cards with words on them, cracker, nigger, wop, and so on. The common perception today is the nigger word is the worst of the worst, the most offensive. Yet black people call one another that everyday, and it is prolific in rap music.

            I have no problem with racial slang being used by black folks, but only if they allow it when anyone uses it.

            If we want to rid the world of the word, nigger, let's rid the world of it. For everyone.

            My own personal opinion is sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me. I find it silly to place such importance on a word, if only certain people use it. I think people that do must always be upset about something or the other. Get a life for god's sake.

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              Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
              My own personal opinion is sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me. I find it silly to place such importance on a word, if only certain people use it. I think people that do must always be upset about something or the other. Get a life for god's sake.
              Speaking of God, I was very surprised a few months ago when an old friend of mine was all worked up when supposedly some drunk outside of Church called him a nigger (written in its entirety in the hopes of taking power from the word). What got him the most upset was the other Parishioners who heard the racial slur did not condemn the man. What surprised me is:
              1. Walking out of church, I thought he would have Christian principles of non-judgement more in mind (I reminded him is the drunk is who we pray for);
              2. That he was willing to give such power over himself to this drunk and stranger.

              He actually had some medical issues and he was so upset he nearly fainted. Yet, he calls his friends nigger with a smile. WTF?

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                Re: Use of N*gga Not Racial: Comparing Martin to Deen

                Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                You are only allowed to criticize straight, white, Christian, males. All others are off limits.
                Oh, those poor oppressed straight white Christian males. They sure have had a hard time. It's just outrageous everytime someone calls them "cracker", have they not been insulted enough?

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                  Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                  Oh, those poor oppressed straight white Christian males. They sure have had a hard time. It's just outrageous everytime someone calls them "cracker", have they not been insulted enough?
                  So, people have to have some degree of oppression, some degree of having a hard time, some degree of insults that you deem proper before criticizing them is wrong? I mean to say, it is not the validity of the the criticism but the degree of their victimhood --> The Politics of Race/The Politics of Victimhood.

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                    Re: Use of N*gga Not Racial: Comparing Martin to Deen

                    Personally I detest that word, and taught my kids never to use it. But what I don't like is this idea that if you are black you can use it, but if not black, you should be crucified for using it. I refuse to accept such inconsistency.

                    The blacks were slaves at one time and they were freed by the same race that enslaved them. Apparently that word brings back thoughts of slavery, to which I would say, stop thinking about it. And if you do not want that term used, don't use it yourself if you are black. I mean, the white kids today dress like blacks here in my area with those convict drooping britches, and even talk and act like some thug from the hood. If the black people want to influence and affect society, give us some positive things to emulate. Like rock and roll, blues and jazz. Why is it white kids copy the worse things. Is it cool? To act like a damn thug who raps and then shoots others?

                    Back when I was in public school, if there was a fight it was always one on one, and if two jumped on one that was about as sorry as whale shit. As low as whale shit. These days the white kids fight just like the blacks do. A whole gang will jump on one guy and beat the crap out of him. Yeah, these are the things that comes from this so called black culture. Why didn't the good things rub off on the blacks? Instead of vice versa?

                    Ok, time for someone to call me a racist. For telling the truth. But truth ain't pc today. Especially if it might call into question personal behavior. We don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, and we want to give everyone self esteem. We have too much self esteem already, which only makes a selfish being even more selfish.

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                      Re: Use of N*gga Not Racial: Comparing Martin to Deen

                      The use of racial epithets by blacks is never racial because society, as a whole, considers blacks to be second class citizens ergo any time a black person uses a racial epithet it is simply a function of the culture to which they have been enslaved while when a non-black uses the same epithet it is a function of their society which, as was stated previously, has been organized specifically to disenfranchise blacks.

                      Critical Theory proves that.

                      Critical Theory is also never wrong because society itself proves that it is correct.

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                        Re: Use of N*gga Not Racial: Comparing Martin to Deen

                        It helps to realize the difference between race and culture, and sub-cultures.

                        For most people, the "n-word" refers to a certain sub-culture with in the black community in America. It's a culture of low-class, ignorant, disrespectful people who do not hide their animosity and hatred towards the rest of society. It's a culture that abuses the welfare system and pays society back with high levels of crime.

                        It's bizarre that what is considered the most offensive word in America refers to what is the most offensive sub-culture in America.

                        I live in Houston, TX and that sub-culture is so prevalent down here, there's only so much you can take. The crime is just out of control, and 9/10 the perps are young black males. That's offensive enough. But then there is the constant public displays of loud, rude offensive behavior on the streets, in movie theaters, in restuarants all meant to "shock and annoy the whities". Well you know, it works. They make you dislike them.

                        It's not racist to call out a sub-culture for it's bad behavior.

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                          Re: Use of N*gga Not Racial: Comparing Martin to Deen

                          Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                          These days the white kids fight just like the blacks do. A whole gang will jump on one guy and beat the crap out of him. Yeah, these are the things that comes from this so called black culture. Why didn't the good things rub off on the blacks? Instead of vice versa?

                          Ok, time for someone to call me a racist.
                          I will not call you a racist b/c I do not want this thread to degenerate into personal attacks. Suffice it to say gang beatings pre-date the end of slavery. That is, 1 group beating on 1 lone person has been going on since the beginning of time.

                          Putting that aside, you bring up a great question of why don't the good things of the White culture in America rub off onto the Black sub-culture instead of the other way around. For instance, I PASSIONATELY HATE young men wearing ball caps anyway other than straight forward and wearing pants that are too big, exposing their underwear, etc. It seems to emasculate them. They willingly dress like they are 3 years old instead of the young men that they are. I answer your question by categorizing it as The Politics of Race/The Politics of Victimhood.

                          Too many Black youths aspire to be professional athletes or entertainers. Statistically, the odds are against them. And they have no Plan B. Work ethic is looked at as degrading (I flipped burgers working my way up) and education is deemed for White people or Uncle Tom's.

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                            Re: Use of N*gga Not Racial: Comparing Martin to Deen

                            Nigger, polock[sic?], kike, wop, guinne[sic?], Jap, etc. They are all the same. If any of them is OK, then they are all OK.

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                              Without denying the past and with respect to protections to prohibit discrimination, I sometimes find the extra sensitivity applied to some words and not others to be a form of gaslighting.

                              I feel this way about race, religion and gender equality politics.

                              There's so much attention to be sensitive to certain particular groups, that they in effect become off limits for criticism.

                              Yet for everybody else, any expressed grievances are generally dismissed with the old adage: life isn't fair.

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