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  • It's A Crazy World And Getting Crazier

    The Bible says that in the latter days, Good will be seen as Evil and Evil will be seen as Good. This, to me is just another example of that.

    Calif. governor signs transgendered students rights bill

    Transgendered students in California will now have the right to use whichever bathrooms they prefer and join either the boys or girls sports teams, thanks to landmark legislation signed by Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown on Monday.

    The law amends the states education code, and stipulates that each student will have access to facilities, sports teams, and programs that are consistent with his or her gender identity, rather than the students actual biological composition. A male student who self-identifies as female could therefore use the girls bathroom, even if he is anatomically male.
    Read more: Cali. governor signs transgendered students

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    Re: It's A Crazy World And Getting Crazier

    Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
    The Bible says that in the latter days, Good will be seen as Evil and Evil will be seen as Good. This, to me is just another example of that.

    Calif. governor signs transgendered students rights bill



    Read more: Cali. governor signs transgendered students
    Well, more like stupid ideas being considered as good ideas.

    From what I understand, on a daily basis any child or teenager can declare which bathroom they have the preference for. So the teenage boy declares that today he feels like a girl, and should be allowed to use the girls bathroom and girls locker room.

    My guess is that the chaos that this will cause this will soon cause be reversed.

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    • #3
      Re: It's A Crazy World And Getting Crazier

      Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
      Well, more like stupid ideas being considered as good ideas.

      From what I understand, on a daily basis any child or teenager can declare which bathroom they have the preference for. So the teenage boy declares that today he feels like a girl, and should be allowed to use the girls bathroom and girls locker room.

      My guess is that the chaos that this will cause this will soon cause be reversed.
      Today I feel like a girl, don't mind the hard on girls just my body reacting normally to seeing naked girls at my age and means nothing compared to the choice I am making. Just because my body reacts like a male doesn't mean I am male, just means I am attracted to women.

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        Re: It's A Crazy World And Getting Crazier

        Yeah, and I'm a lesbian trapped in a male body..

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        • #5
          Re: It's A Crazy World And Getting Crazier

          Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
          The Bible says that in the latter days, Good will be seen as Evil and Evil will be seen as Good. This, to me is just another example of that.

          Calif. governor signs transgendered students’ rights bill



          Read more: Cali. governor signs transgendered students
          Don't Worry Dan we don't see you as evil... Misguided maybe...

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            Re: It's A Crazy World And Getting Crazier

            Why don't we send these kids to receive mental treatment, perhaps hormone therapy and try to cure em, instead of going along with their mental illness?

            I am sorry, but anyone born a male but thinks he is a female or vice versa, is mentally afflicted and needs help, not encouragement.

            The man who is attracted sexually to kids is also a mental condition that needs to be cured. I put all of these deeply mentally confused people in the same boat. I don't think it is simple evil involved but a mental illness. That other mentally ill people want to be seen as normal. It ain't normal folks. And to encourage it, to agree with it is craziness. Or mental illness.

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              Re: It's A Crazy World And Getting Crazier

              Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
              Why don't we send these kids to receive mental treatment, perhaps hormone therapy and try to cure em, instead of going along with their mental illness?

              I am sorry, but anyone born a male but thinks he is a female or vice versa, is mentally afflicted and needs help, not encouragement.

              The man who is attracted sexually to kids is also a mental condition that needs to be cured. I put all of these deeply mentally confused people in the same boat. I don't think it is simple evil involved but a mental illness. That other mentally ill people want to be seen as normal. It ain't normal folks. And to encourage it, to agree with it is craziness. Or mental illness.
              I think it's likely that virtually all transgendered kids are already getting psychiatric help, it must be a terribly difficult thing to deal with, especially for youngsters who often have a hard enough time even with "normal" development. I don't see how you can force something like hormone therapy, and it's an even more difficult call before age of consent, we all know not all parents are capable of making reasonale decisions on their children's behalf.

              It seems we then end up with the choice of either marginalizing or institutionizing these folks which is extreme since they can still function in society, or we figure out how to accomodate with minimal overall disruption and cost. Disruption being a relative term, we are left with figuring out which path does the least harm to all involved.

              But I don't think accomodation is the same thing as encouragement, and I absolutely don't believe that it's a contagious "illness" that calls for quarantine.

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                Re: It's A Crazy World And Getting Crazier

                Originally posted by hermanboo View Post
                I think it's likely that virtually all transgendered kids are already getting psychiatric help, it must be a terribly difficult thing to deal with, especially for youngsters who often have a hard enough time even with "normal" development. I don't see how you can force something like hormone therapy, and it's an even more difficult call before age of consent, we all know not all parents are capable of making reasonale decisions on their children's behalf.

                It seems we then end up with the choice of either marginalizing or institutionizing these folks which is extreme since they can still function in society, or we figure out how to accomodate with minimal overall disruption and cost. Disruption being a relative term, we are left with figuring out which path does the least harm to all involved.

                But I don't think accomodation is the same thing as encouragement, and I absolutely don't believe that it's a contagious "illness" that calls for quarantine.
                Certainly not contagious. But instead of treating it like it is a good choice to remain afflicted, we need to do the research to attempt to understand it better, and how to correct it, in the same manner as we do other mental afflictions. Because if not, being born a male, yet the mind says you are female, the mind is broken. And we need to fix it, if that is possible. I doubt this mental illness is any different than someone who is a pathological liar, like my nephew. By that I mean it's a mental affliction, and something is driving it. There has to be a cause.

                On the hormone treatment, I don't know that much about it, but there are male hormones and female hormones, and the level of those I think can affect the mind. I know since my own level has bottomed out, I don't think about sex the way I did when my levels were high. To me this has been a blessing, but not all men feel that way. Truth is, the chemicals of existence do affect behavior and even thought.

                But never would I want transgender people made fun of, as there is something going on that is beyond their control. I don't think we know that much about it, and there is a contingent of folks that think it perfectly natural and should not be researched in order to find a cure. I just don't agree with that.

                But to change the rules to suit transgender people is absurd to me. And I am a liberal guy. But some of this stuff gets silly real fast, that comes from these other liberals who seem to be a bit touched in the head. Just like some of those on the far right that are suffering from madness.

                Again if someone is born a male, but they feel as if they are really a female, their brain is defective. And we need to find out why and how to correct it. That is the humane thing to do instead of indulging them in their afflictions. I heard of a guy who actually thought he was a dog. There was no problem in seeing that this guy was mentally ill, but when it comes to gender, people then think about it differently, for some odd reason. Look at Sonny and Cher's daughter who is now trying to change herself into a male. Even had her breasts removed. Why indulge them in their insanity? That isn't doing them any good, given that society at large can be really cruel to people who indulge themselves and are indulged by others.

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                Originally posted by hermanboo View Post
                I think it's likely that virtually all transgendered kids are already getting psychiatric help, it must be a terribly difficult thing to deal with, especially for youngsters who often have a hard enough time even with "normal" development. I don't see how you can force something like hormone therapy, and it's an even more difficult call before age of consent, we all know not all parents are capable of making reasonale decisions on their children's behalf.

                It seems we then end up with the choice of either marginalizing or institutionizing these folks which is extreme since they can still function in society, or we figure out how to accomodate with minimal overall disruption and cost. Disruption being a relative term, we are left with figuring out which path does the least harm to all involved.

                But I don't think accomodation is the same thing as encouragement, and I absolutely don't believe that it's a contagious "illness" that calls for quarantine.
                Certainly not contagious. But instead of treating it like it is a good choice to remain afflicted, we need to do the research to attempt to understand it better, and how to correct it, in the same manner as we do other mental afflictions. Because if not, being born a male, yet the mind says you are female, the mind is broken. And we need to fix it, if that is possible. I doubt this mental illness is any different than someone who is a pathological liar, like my nephew. By that I mean it's a mental affliction, and something is driving it. There has to be a cause.

                On the hormone treatment, I don't know that much about it, but there are male hormones and female hormones, and the level of those I think can affect the mind. I know since my own level has bottomed out, I don't think about sex the way I did when my levels were high. To me this has been a blessing, but not all men feel that way. Truth is, the chemicals of existence do affect behavior and even thought.

                But never would I want transgender people made fun of, as there is something going on that is beyond their control. I don't think we know that much about it, and there is a contingent of folks that think it perfectly natural and should not be researched in order to find a cure. I just don't agree with that.

                But to change the rules to suit transgender people is absurd to me. And I am a liberal guy. But some of this stuff gets silly real fast, that comes from these other liberals who seem to be a bit touched in the head. Just like some of those on the far right that are suffering from madness.

                Again if someone is born a male, but they feel as if they are really a female, their brain is defective. And we need to find out why and how to correct it. That is the humane thing to do instead of indulging them in their afflictions. I heard of a guy who actually thought he was a dog. There was no problem in seeing that this guy was mentally ill, but when it comes to gender, people then think about it differently, for some odd reason. Look at Sonny and Cher's daughter who is now trying to change herself into a male. Even had her breasts removed. Why indulge them in their insanity? That isn't doing them any good, given that society at large can be really cruel to people who indulge themselves and are indulged by others.

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                  Re: It's A Crazy World And Getting Crazier

                  Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                  Certainly not contagious. But instead of treating it like it is a good choice to remain afflicted, we need to do the research to attempt to understand it better, and how to correct it, in the same manner as we do other mental afflictions. Because if not, being born a male, yet the mind says you are female, the mind is broken. And we need to fix it, if that is possible. I doubt this mental illness is any different than someone who is a pathological liar, like my nephew. By that I mean it's a mental affliction, and something is driving it. There has to be a cause.

                  On the hormone treatment, I don't know that much about it, but there are male hormones and female hormones, and the level of those I think can affect the mind. I know since my own level has bottomed out, I don't think about sex the way I did when my levels were high. To me this has been a blessing, but not all men feel that way. Truth is, the chemicals of existence do affect behavior and even thought.

                  But never would I want transgender people made fun of, as there is something going on that is beyond their control. I don't think we know that much about it, and there is a contingent of folks that think it perfectly natural and should not be researched in order to find a cure. I just don't agree with that.

                  But to change the rules to suit transgender people is absurd to me. And I am a liberal guy. But some of this stuff gets silly real fast, that comes from these other liberals who seem to be a bit touched in the head. Just like some of those on the far right that are suffering from madness.

                  Again if someone is born a male, but they feel as if they are really a female, their brain is defective. And we need to find out why and how to correct it. That is the humane thing to do instead of indulging them in their afflictions. I heard of a guy who actually thought he was a dog. There was no problem in seeing that this guy was mentally ill, but when it comes to gender, people then think about it differently, for some odd reason. Look at Sonny and Cher's daughter who is now trying to change herself into a male. Even had her breasts removed. Why indulge them in their insanity? That isn't doing them any good, given that society at large can be really cruel to people who indulge themselves and are indulged by others.
                  If memory serves, the sex of the fetus is determined very early in gestation (NOVA Online | Sex: Unknown | Week 6), and the sex hormones that are released into the fetal blood system have a pronounced impact on the structures of the brain, i.e. how the brain is 'wired', as it and the fetus develops.

                  Since the vast majority, in fact nearly 100%, of genetic mismatches abort before the mother even knows she's even pregnant, I'd have to come down on the side that it's nurture rather than nature.

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                  • #10
                    Re: It's A Crazy World And Getting Crazier

                    Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                    If memory serves, the sex of the fetus is determined very early in gestation (NOVA Online | Sex: Unknown | Week 6), and the sex hormones that are released into the fetal blood system have a pronounced impact on the structures of the brain, i.e. how the brain is 'wired', as it and the fetus develops.

                    Since the vast majority, in fact nearly 100%, of genetic mismatches abort before the mother even knows she's even pregnant, I'd have to come down on the side that it's nurture rather than nature.
                    There have been studies lately showing that environmental impacts during develelopment (pre- and post-birth) affect gene expression. In that sense it seems to reasonable to say that nurture affects nature and it is virtually impossible to tease them apart. As a result it would be very difficult to effect a cure, as by the time the behaviour is expressed, the genetic basis for it is already firmly entrenched. So now we are left with figuring out how to deal with it since we cannot go back in time and fix it.

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                      Re: It's A Crazy World And Getting Crazier

                      Originally posted by hermanboo View Post
                      There have been studies lately showing that environmental impacts during develelopment (pre- and post-birth) affect gene expression. In that sense it seems to reasonable to say that nurture affects nature and it is virtually impossible to tease them apart. As a result it would be very difficult to effect a cure, as by the time the behaviour is expressed, the genetic basis for it is already firmly entrenched. So now we are left with figuring out how to deal with it since we cannot go back in time and fix it.
                      As hard as they have tried, I have seen no evidence of genetic differences between heterosexual and homosexual persons.

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                        Re: It's A Crazy World And Getting Crazier

                        Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                        As hard as they have tried, I have seen no evidence of genetic differences between heterosexual and homosexual persons.
                        I don't suspect any of us not actively involved in genetic research are capable of seeing this evidence. I think you mean you are not convinced by the sample of studies you have run across.

                        What I am referring to in my post is that research indicates our genes exist at conception with the potential to create a vast array of possibilities that are only narrowed down during development by exposure to different environmental factors. So even if sexual preference has a genetic component, you will not necessarily see it just by looking at DNA sequences. Environmental and genetic factors are too intertwined to say it is only one or the other.

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                          Re: It's A Crazy World And Getting Crazier

                          Originally posted by hermanboo View Post
                          I don't suspect any of us not actively involved in genetic research are capable of seeing this evidence. I think you mean you are not convinced by the sample of studies you have run across.

                          What I am referring to in my post is that research indicates our genes exist at conception with the potential to create a vast array of possibilities that are only narrowed down during development by exposure to different environmental factors. So even if sexual preference has a genetic component, you will not necessarily see it just by looking at DNA sequences. Environmental and genetic factors are too intertwined to say it is only one or the other.
                          So, you are saying there might not be any DNA differences but some gene may have been exposed to alcohol for example.

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                            Re: It's A Crazy World And Getting Crazier

                            Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                            So, you are saying there might not be any DNA differences but some gene may have been exposed to alcohol for example.
                            That seems to be what these studies are suggesting. Sort of like people being predisposed to weight gain because of diet during early childhood turning certain genes on or others off. Yes it's genetic because genes control what our bodies do to a large extent, but environmental because of their exposure to foods when growing up.

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                              Re: It's A Crazy World And Getting Crazier

                              Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                              If memory serves, the sex of the fetus is determined very early in gestation (NOVA Online | Sex: Unknown | Week 6), and the sex hormones that are released into the fetal blood system have a pronounced impact on the structures of the brain, i.e. how the brain is 'wired', as it and the fetus develops.

                              Since the vast majority, in fact nearly 100%, of genetic mismatches abort before the mother even knows she's even pregnant, I'd have to come down on the side that it's nurture rather than nature.
                              The old nurture vs nature deal. I dunno man. My nephew is a pathological liar, and has been that way since he was old enough to think and talk. No one else in the family is like he is. So he wasn't nurtured to be one. Something is crossed up in the boy's brain, and these crossups seem to affect homosexuals, transgender people, and the man who thought he was a dog. The identity when crossed up has to be something in regards to the brain. I am not saying that you cannot condition a man to think he is female, but there just seems to be something else involved besides conditioning.

                              Some things are inherited, but this isn't, or I don't think so. I know that being a thief, a compulsive thief is inherited, or can be because I know of two girls that are both like that, and their dad was, and his mom was. And these two girls from the toddler age on had absolutely no contact with their dad, and didn't even know him. Yet both of them turned out just like the dad and the grandma. They were raised up in a religious home, and their mom is a very moral lady as was their stepdad. Yet these two girls are compulsive thieves. It seems some criminal behavior is indeed a genetic thing, as much as some would vehemently deny it!

                              But transgender folks I don't think inherit it, but then I am not an expert on it. Like homosexuals it has to be neurological wires being crossed up, something didn't develop quite correctly.

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