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    Mayor of Monticello, NY gets busted for DWI. The video is part one of him discussing things with the cops -



    I just have to wonder how often this kind of behavior happens and how often the cop involved remains as professional as this one did.

    *Note:
    While the video is an hour and a half long watching just the first 10 minutes or so is sufficient to get the gist of what the issues are.

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    re: I wonder if this is normal

    I don't know.
    Last edited by tsquare; 11-25-2013, 06:01 PM.

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      Re: I wonder if this is normal

      Ever woken up in the drunk tank? I have. With bruises from being thumped off the pavement. Granted, I earned those for being an asshole to the cop trying to TAKE ME HOME instead of to jail, but hey.
      I'm sure the fact that he's on camera and that dude is the mayor has nothing to do with this cop's behavior. Absolutely nothing at all.

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        Re: I wonder if this is normal

        Originally posted by reality View Post
        Ever woken up in the drunk tank? I have. With bruises from being thumped off the pavement. Granted, I earned those for being an asshole to the cop trying to TAKE ME HOME instead of to jail, but hey.
        I'm sure the fact that he's on camera and that dude is the mayor has nothing to do with this cop's behavior. Absolutely nothing at all.
        Really?

        I got the impression that the cop was just doing his routine thing and allowing the mayor to hang himself. It's just a guess on my part but I suspect that there isn't a lot of love between the PD and the Mayor's office.

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          Re: I wonder if this is normal

          Originally posted by Lutherf View Post
          Really?

          I got the impression that the cop was just doing his routine thing and allowing the mayor to hang himself. It's just a guess on my part but I suspect that there isn't a lot of love between the PD and the Mayor's office.

          Consider the source.

          There is an atmosphere here though and you are right that there appears to be no love lost between the police department and the mayor's office.

          They are indeed going about their business and having investigated more than a few police beating complaints, this is in truth the norm. Most cops have pretty thick skins; the ones who lose it are rare.

          Here, they are giving this guy WAY more latitude that the norm. He is cuffed there two hours that we know of and that's stretching a simple DWI processing. I think they know he will sink himself and are letting him do it.

          Can you ship these guys to Toronto and point him in the direction of Rob Ford?

          One minor point here though. There is a more than 20 minute difference between the wall clock and the tape. Not a big thing but cops have been known to screw with booking times to cover beatings. Likely nothing, simple low battery in the wall clock but the kind of thing a defense attorney can make hay over.

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            Re: I wonder if this is normal

            He has an excellent vocabulary.

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              Re: I wonder if this is normal

              Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
              He has an excellent vocabulary.
              Right!!

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                Re: I wonder if this is normal

                Originally posted by Lutherf View Post
                Right!!
                No no, F_ _ _ _ ing right.

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                  Re: I wonder if this is normal

                  Originally posted by Lutherf View Post
                  Really?

                  I got the impression that the cop was just doing his routine thing and allowing the mayor to hang himself. It's just a guess on my part but I suspect that there isn't a lot of love between the PD and the Mayor's office.
                  what I mean is the reason what happened, happened the way it happened, was because the officer was being recorded. Therefore he had to cross all his t's and dot all his I's. They DON"T do that that often when they aren't on camera/being recorded (they do have audio mikes).
                  Professional cops are looking for sure charges/evidence. Letting dumbass there run his fucking mouth is part and parcel.


                  what I mean to say is the mayor is a public official. That recording is going to be HIGHLY scrutinized, he knew this, and so acted as good as he could.

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                    Re: I wonder if this is normal

                    Originally posted by FearandLoathing View Post
                    Consider the source.

                    There is an atmosphere here though and you are right that there appears to be no love lost between the police department and the mayor's office.

                    They are indeed going about their business and having investigated more than a few police beating complaints, this is in truth the norm. Most cops have pretty thick skins; the ones who lose it are rare.

                    Here, they are giving this guy WAY more latitude that the norm. He is cuffed there two hours that we know of and that's stretching a simple DWI processing. I think they know he will sink himself and are letting him do it.

                    Can you ship these guys to Toronto and point him in the direction of Rob Ford?

                    One minor point here though. There is a more than 20 minute difference between the wall clock and the tape. Not a big thing but cops have been known to screw with booking times to cover beatings. Likely nothing, simple low battery in the wall clock but the kind of thing a defense attorney can make hay over.
                    usually you go right into the drunk tank to sleep it off. in my experience of course.

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                      Re: I wonder if this is normal

                      Originally posted by reality View Post
                      what I mean is the reason what happened, happened the way it happened, was because the officer was being recorded. Therefore he had to cross all his t's and dot all his I's. They DON"T do that that often when they aren't on camera/being recorded (they do have audio mikes).
                      Professional cops are looking for sure charges/evidence. Letting dumbass there run his fucking mouth is part and parcel.


                      what I mean to say is the mayor is a public official. That recording is going to be HIGHLY scrutinized, he knew this, and so acted as good as he could.
                      Actually no. The opposite is true. In this day and age, a speeding ticket improperly filled out can end up in the Supreme Court. Cops hate the courts, they hate being cross examined and they, like everyone in the world, hate being made fools of.

                      They are meticulous and careful in all booking reports, notes, anything someone like my late wife could use to provide a "best possible defense".

                      Most police stations have had cameras inside since the 1990's, the cops are more used to them being there than suspects. This is simply one case where the device designed to insure the rights of an innocent suspect became a tool to protect the rights of everyday citizens.

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                        Re: I wonder if this is normal

                        Originally posted by FearandLoathing View Post
                        Actually no. The opposite is true. In this day and age, a speeding ticket improperly filled out can end up in the Supreme Court. Cops hate the courts, they hate being cross examined and they, like everyone in the world, hate being made fools of.

                        They are meticulous and careful in all booking reports, notes, anything someone like my late wife could use to provide a "best possible defense".

                        Most police stations have had cameras inside since the 1990's, the cops are more used to them being there than suspects. This is simply one case where the device designed to insure the rights of an innocent suspect became a tool to protect the rights of everyday citizens.
                        dude I've had searches thrown out before. Its part of the reason I have arrests but no convictions. And this was ON camera.
                        Cops are not that meticulous. SOME of them are. Most of them are like the rest of us, they get tired, or lazy, or forget something, or they are naturally sloppy and lackluster.

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                          Re: I wonder if this is normal

                          No idea how often this sort of thing happens, a mayor arrested for DWI and those dealings with the police. But I will offer this is inexcusable behavior, but we also know this will end up being excused.

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                            Re: I wonder if this is normal

                            Originally posted by Lutherf View Post
                            Mayor of Monticello, NY gets busted for DWI. The video is part one of him discussing things with the cops -

                            I just have to wonder how often this kind of behavior happens and how often the cop involved remains as professional as this one did.

                            *Note:
                            While the video is an hour and a half long watching just the first 10 minutes or so is sufficient to get the gist of what the issues are.
                            There are hot heads in any occupation but I can't imagine many hot heads last very long in law enforcement.

                            This looks like routine police behavior to me. I'm generally a law abiding, good looking, well hung man and have never been arrested for anything but I've had my share of altercations that required police assistance. Regardless of how heated things got they always seemed to stay pretty calm. Again, I imagine the ones who can't don't last very long.

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                              Re: I wonder if this is normal

                              Originally posted by reality View Post
                              dude I've had searches thrown out before. Its part of the reason I have arrests but no convictions. And this was ON camera.
                              Cops are not that meticulous. SOME of them are. Most of them are like the rest of us, they get tired, or lazy, or forget something, or they are naturally sloppy and lackluster.
                              Well, pardon me if I excuse myself from the debate.

                              You have admitted to a criminal record, alcoholic behavior and several run ins with the law. Call me what you will, but "dude", I cannot put a lot of weight in what you say.

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