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Do The Ten Commandments violate freedom of speech?

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  • #16
    Re: Do The Ten Commandments violate freedom of speech?

    Originally posted by Chloe View Post
    I am basically saying that this bastard satanic cult that is suing has as much chance of winning in court as Moses does of receiving first amendment rights ; i.e. : zilch.
    >Atheism is the rejection of all religious assertions.
    -Satan is a deity in the Judeo-Christian christian and in the Muslim Pantheon.

    In fact Moses is more likely to given a Presidential medal of freedom, honorary citizenship, and sacrifice you at the alter than this group has of winning in OK court. Frivolous is not the word ; they should be held in contempt and ordered to repay all state costs for the collective waste of time.
    >They have thusfar attempted to uphold the U.S. Constitution against one specific religiously driven group which does not seem to show any respect towards the principles of yer country.

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    • #17
      Re: Do The Ten Commandments violate freedom of speech?

      Originally posted by reality View Post
      2 religions founded on our soil, in the land of religious freedom, do indeed have historic significance. The fact that you can't see that they do shows your bias. Which again is the point.
      No it doesn't...it just shows you are grasping at straws as per usual. We don't recognize every little thing on the planet / country, otherwise we would have time / space for anything.

      You may however see worshiping Tom Cruise as significant, or whatever it is they do ; the rest of us don't. Suck it up.

      I don't want it. I don't want any publically funded or mandated religious displays whatsoever. YOU are the one that wants that. I'm trying to show you the consequences of what you want.
      I don't care what you want. Hasn't that dawned on you every time i have said liberals will keep winning elections until you recognize social values in GOP candidates. I could care less however much you want a woman to have the right an abortion, it is what matters and is important to me that i care about.

      And you are not giving me consequences of having Christ in the public square. You are saying "look, i can play the inferiority card by showing that other religions can also be used in the square, made up or otherwise"...if i could find an irreligious analogy for your perversions i would ; but for now we'll have to just agree that you're getting up on the cross, for a while.

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      • #18
        Re: Do The Ten Commandments violate freedom of speech?

        Originally posted by Fennica View Post
        >Given that the christian right has gained massive amounts of privileges over the decades that are only now being taken down... yer snarling is somewhat out of place.
        -Atheists in the U.S. want to follow the constitution, yet that is now a bad thing. hmm....
        Snarling. I'll try not to gnash my teeth at your sensitivities as much in future (delicate and all).


        >My jaw dropped.
        -When did ye exactly lost yer marbels???
        I need to dumb down my analogies so i can avoid having to spend 3 posts explaining them. Though English is not your first language so i'll cut you some slack.

        Those cases where Judeo-Christian symbols etc. have been removed are, I repeat, ARE part the freedom of religion.
        -Ye merely seem to want only one of all the faiths to have the right to be in the public square.
        Judiasm and Christianity = 2...but hey, if you find the symbols to be religious look at it from an irreligious aspect ; the history of the nation. Either way, they stay.

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        • #19
          Re: Do The Ten Commandments violate freedom of speech?

          Originally posted by Chloe View Post
          I am basically saying that this bastard satanic cult that is suing has as much chance of winning in court as Moses does of receiving first amendment rights ; i.e. : zilch. In fact Moses is more likely to given a Presidential medal of freedom, honorary citizenship, and sacrifice you at the alter than this group has of winning in OK court. Frivolous is not the word ; they should be held in contempt and ordered to repay all state costs for the collective waste of time.
          But I think the point is that if the state govt is, in essence, advocating adherence to one religion; isn't their support of a set of commandants contrary to the Constitution, as one says "you cannot say something", and the other says, "you can say anything you want".

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          • #20
            Re: Do The Ten Commandments violate freedom of speech?

            Originally posted by Fennica View Post
            >Atheism is the rejection of all religious assertions.
            -Satan is a deity in the Judeo-Christian christian and in the Muslim Pantheon.
            Well then you should be agreeing that Satan has no place in the public square then... (He has no historical relevance the founding / history of the country)

            >They have thusfar attempted to uphold the U.S. Constitution against one specific religiously driven group which does not seem to show any respect towards the principles of yer country.
            No they haven't, IMO anyway. The constitution is upheld find...mainly thanks to Christians / Christianity, anyway. If you feel like i / my people / people of my faith show no respect towards it, don't bother to reply to me or converse with me (if it is how you feel).

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            • #21
              Re: Do The Ten Commandments violate freedom of speech?

              Originally posted by Chloe View Post
              Snarling. I'll try not to gnash my teeth at your sensitivities as much in future (delicate and all).
              >Says a poster who throws a fit when her own Constitution is upheld against religious assertions.
              I need to dumb down my analogies so i can avoid having to spend 3 posts explaining them. Though English is not your first language so i'll cut you some slack.
              >Ah, the high-pedestal stance, where ye can bark down and claim superiority... how expected.
              -But the bolded part, ye avoided it and thus, resort NOT to answer.

              Judiasm and Christianity = 2...but hey, if you find the symbols to be religious look at it from an irreligious aspect ; the history of the nation. Either way, they stay.
              >Special pleading to have more rights than other faiths.
              -Either all religious symbols are in the public square, or none.

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              • #22
                Re: Do The Ten Commandments violate freedom of speech?

                Originally posted by Fennica View Post
                >Given that the christian right has gained massive amounts of privileges over the decades that are only now being taken down... yer snarling is somewhat out of place.
                -Atheists in the U.S. want to follow the constitution, yet that is now a bad thing. hmm....


                >My jaw dropped.
                -When did ye exactly lost yer marbels???

                Those cases where Judeo-Christian symbols etc. have been removed are, I repeat, ARE part the freedom of religion.
                -Ye merely seem to want only one of all the faiths to have the right to be in the public square.
                Snarling? Is English really your primary language? I see no snarling: What I see is an exasperated reaction to more of the same nonsense we see every day. Our Constitution guarantees a freedom of religion, not a freedom from religion as some atheists seem to believe.

                Further, I would advocate we kick NONE of the religions from teh public square: Let 'em ALL have a booth and hand out freebies. The public can decide and make their own decisions. Proscribing any religion, like Chloe said, should be booted out of ... no LAUGHED out of ... the courts.

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                • #23
                  Re: Do The Ten Commandments violate freedom of speech?

                  Originally posted by Chloe View Post
                  Well then you should be agreeing that Satan has no place in the public square then... (He has no historical relevance the founding / history of the country)
                  >Ye attempt to distort symbols of christianity into historical monuments, but as the U.S. is not founded upon christianity, yer attempt fails.
                  -Oh, I know that christians often claim that the U.S. was founded upon christian values, but those claims have been debunked time and again to even pull them here, is to assume that I would not know about the issue.

                  Either all faiths have equal rights, or there is no freedom of religion and one is lifted as main faith.
                  -Satan is part of Judeo-Christian tradition. It was made a deity to explain away the usual issues on Monotheism.

                  No they haven't, IMO anyway. The constitution is upheld find...mainly thanks to Christians / Christianity, anyway.
                  >Quite a few cases have shown the complete opposite. Christian groups have had a free reign, and now as they are removed to the equal status, they cry havoc.

                  If you feel like i / my people / people of my faith show no respect towards it, don't bother to reply to me or converse with me (if it is how you feel).
                  >Stomping with yer feet and telling me to piss off, will not make me to comply.
                  -Ye are simply wrong on this issue.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Do The Ten Commandments violate freedom of speech?

                    Originally posted by Fennica View Post
                    >Says a poster who throws a fit when her own Constitution is upheld against religious assertions.
                    Yes, it is upheld, given that the religious freedoms of expressing Judea-Christian faith is still upheld in the public square. Irregardless of what the inferior may or do say.

                    Throwing a fit, lol...you gotta love the hysterics who cry foul when their paddy / tantrum comes to an end.

                    >Ah, the high-pedestal stance, where ye can bark down and claim superiority... how expected.
                    -But the bolded part, ye avoided it and thus, resort NOT to answer.
                    You didn't bold anything...maybe i was wrong, maybe you are illiterate rather than just not very bi-lingual. Spill the question out.

                    As for high-pedestal as you worded it, i don't need to claim superiority over anything or anyone like you, in fact, if you feel i am inferior to you, go ahead and preach it for all i care.

                    >Special pleading to have more rights than other faiths.
                    -Either all religious symbols are in the public square, or none.


                    It is me doing the pleading, is it? I could have sworn you were the one whining.

                    Religious symbols have no place in the square but conveniently my religion continues to have a historical relevance in the founding of the nation. So it stays. End of.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Do The Ten Commandments violate freedom of speech?

                      Originally posted by Fennica View Post
                      >Given that the christian right has gained massive amounts of privileges over the decades that are only now being taken down... yer snarling is somewhat out of place.
                      -Atheists in the U.S. want to follow the constitution, yet that is now a bad thing. hmm....


                      >My jaw dropped.
                      -When did ye exactly lost yer marbels???

                      Those cases where Judeo-Christian symbols etc. have been removed are, I repeat, ARE part the freedom of religion.
                      -Ye merely seem to want only one of all the faiths to have the right to be in the public square.
                      There are 2 ways to go on that one.

                      One is to ban ANY religious displays. That'd be a real shame, as many are beautiful things to behold.

                      The other is to allow equal access to ANY religious displays. Which means we can see the beautiful things, but have to put up with atheist displays as well as Satanist displays, and provide them all equal access.

                      Don't think that there's a reasonable position that would allow for anything in between.

                      Given how challenging and time consuming option #2 is, I can see where many municipalities go with option #1, and leave it at that.

                      Really too bad.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Do The Ten Commandments violate freedom of speech?

                        Originally posted by Good1 View Post
                        Snarling? Is English really your primary language?
                        >Translator gives... 11 different yet synonymic examples.
                        (I am not sure how thick must a person be to assume that I would have english as a first language.
                        -My kin speaks ancient language, far older and vastly different than yer Germanic language.)


                        I see no snarling: What I see is an exasperated reaction to more of the same nonsense we see every day. Our Constitution guarantees a freedom of religion, not a freedom from religion as some atheists seem to believe.
                        >This is the reason why Flying Spaghetti Monster was invented.
                        -Are ye really claiming that there cannot be "the nones", and/or atheists in the U.S. at all?

                        Further, I would advocate we kick NONE of the religions from teh public square:
                        Let 'em ALL have a booth and hand out freebies. The public can decide and make their own decisions. Proscribing any religion, like Chloe said, should be booted out of ... no LAUGHED out of ... the courts.
                        >Lets see how open that would be, then.
                        -Sharia Laws standing next to biblical Ten Commandments. Under the shade of a Pylon where laws of Isis stand. Would make court-houses look amusing.

                        But that is indeed the other possibility, to have all faiths equal footing and equal rights to public property.
                        -I think many would like that.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Do The Ten Commandments violate freedom of speech?

                          Originally posted by Fennica View Post
                          >Ye attempt to distort symbols of christianity into historical monuments, but as the U.S. is not founded upon christianity, yer attempt fails.
                          -Oh, I know that christians often claim that the U.S. was founded upon christian values, but those claims have been debunked time and again to even pull them here, is to assume that I would not know about the issue.
                          Well you're getting somewhere...still you can't understand English very well, but its a good start. I never said the nation was founded upon Christianity, i said Judea-Christian law and doctrine guided the land and to that extent the symbols are fine. I do appreciate you correcting me on symbols of Christianity, that is hilarious. Thank you.

                          Either all faiths have equal rights, or there is no freedom of religion and one is lifted as main faith.
                          -Satan is part of Judeo-Christian tradition. It was made a deity to explain away the usual issues on Monotheism.
                          Who said anything about Equal rights...? Those religions are free to do as they wish, if they had any role in the founding of the land, they can lobby to become a part of the public square, too.

                          Simple as that.

                          In fact they are not but the continue to go ahead and waste everyone's time anyway...(the courts especially).

                          >Quite a few cases have shown the complete opposite. Christian groups have had a free reign, and now as they are removed to the equal status, they cry havoc.
                          Try again. An atheistic group tried to get Christian / Jewish symbols removed from the square, the judge said no. So a bastard Satanic cult tried to get equal status on par with Christianity, we all laughed at them, they are now the ones crying havoc.

                          >Stomping with yer feet and telling me to piss off, will not make me to comply.
                          -Ye are simply wrong on this issue.
                          Please...the only one stomping their feet like a little child, is you. I find your posts, to be really quite amusing, and don't want you to stop. I am sure someone is even willing to throw some lose change your way, to carry on.

                          If i wanted to, it'd be pretty easy for any staff to remove you from the site, but so long as you post within the rules you can even talk to yourself for all i care.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Do The Ten Commandments violate freedom of speech?

                            Originally posted by noahath View Post
                            But the question remains: if I were to start a religion whereby I "found" a parchment that proclaimed all blacks were evil, and should be put to death; would I be allowed to have a copy of that parchment made into a statue and placed on the state lawn?
                            Why yes, you would.

                            4,000 years later, after amassing billions of believers.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Do The Ten Commandments violate freedom of speech?

                              This.

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                              • #30
                                Re: Do The Ten Commandments violate freedom of speech?

                                Originally posted by Chloe View Post
                                Try again. An atheistic group tried to get Christian / Jewish symbols removed from the square, the judge said no. So a bastard Satanic cult tried to get equal status on par with Christianity, we all laughed at them, they are now the ones crying havoc.
                                But isn't that the point? The Constitution supposedly guarantees freedom of religion, so who gets to determine that one person's belief or religion isn't as valid as another's? If satanism is a recognised and registered religion in that state, why should they be denied the same rights as Christian regions? A good test case would actually be for someone to propose erecting a a statue of the Koran there. Knowing Oklahoma, I reckon there'd be a HUGE outrcry, which would simply reaffirm that it's not "freedom of religion", but rather "freedom of Christian religions".

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