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Do The Ten Commandments violate freedom of speech?

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  • #76
    Re: Do The Ten Commandments violate freedom of speech?

    Originally posted by reality View Post
    so you are not included in the definition of "everyone"? Now who can't speak English?
    Shit is WEAK
    >Yea, I don't get that either.
    -She goes on and on about how I don't comprehend english, uses that -a lot- to bash me, even after another admin has asked to clear the board.

    It's not the topic, it's merely her way of bashing and feeling superior.
    -But I'd like to know why I am so inferior.

    which as discussed is not the 10 commandments for a variety of reasons.
    >Ah, back on topic.

    Christian movements keep talking about the foundation of the U.S. and christianity. How they are so intertwined that U.S. was indeed founded upon christian values and principles.

    This is the basis from which they can assert that christian monuments are part of the history of yer nation.
    -That is now called into question, and the massive lack of christian rhetoric in the Constitution and in the amendments does support the non-christian standpoint.

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    • #77
      Re: Do The Ten Commandments violate freedom of speech?

      Originally posted by Chloe View Post
      I said i have a law degree (i really shouldn't critique Fennica's English wen it is bad in Texas, too).



      How could you have gotten that so badly wrong?

      Let's say the judge rules the religious aspect is fine in the public square if it continues to show some historical semblance / reasoning. Then there is no need for the moratorium as the bastard satanic cult has no standing...follow?



      I was waiting for it to come full circle (the ultimate fail of legal interpretation: But slavery was legal too!!!)



      The historical aspect of the Judea-Christian philosophy the nation was founded on...how hard is that for you to understand? I never said they were immaterial because of Christ, you are thinking of a different discussion. (Noa's hate of shellfish / NT vs OT)

      Btw it is fine to disagree with the opinion, just don't keep repeating it parrot style, was my point above, when someone says something 1000 times over, which i hope you won't do.



      I didn't say Jews sacrifice people though, did i?



      Not at all, if the atheists get knocked down because there is a historical element to the 10 commandments being up then the atheists and Satanists both lose, no? Not arguing the merits of it, but that would be the case, correct?



      No, it is usually you who posts high. And yes i was being facetious with that, as i am glad you cottoned on to. (See, if that were someone else, they would get the wording wrong, say you accused them of being full of shit, even after 40 explanations of the difference between being facetious, and the word feces).
      So you got a law degree and didn't bother to pass the bar? Is that what you're saying?
      And what makes you think that will be the justification? They will more than likely use the "freedom of is not freedom from" or "judeo Christian values founding etc" like YOU have this whole time. I see that you've thought about it and copied what dilettante said earlier. Feeling better now?

      Slavery was but one example, segregation (in flagrant violation of the 14th amendment), lack of rights warning etc are many others. I could list them all. If I thought you would reply to them rather than dodging.

      No chloe go back and read what you wrote. I raised an objection about the 10 commandments never being followed and you made a quip about CHRIST FULFILLING JEWISH LAW IE excusing that it was never followed because Jesus.

      You said moses would and he was a jew and then when I expressed incredulity you said "but you're not a jew". so you tell me.

      We gonna put up a giant watch for the deists then? What about a bunch of masonic symbology? Gosh what about witchcraft since you know that was historical too? What about the native American religions? Hmmmm? as to "historic" value: they'd have to show that we actually followed them, which is demonstrably false. what with the taking the lord's name in vain (swearing oaths by God is a no no biblically speaking) and the killing, and the bearing false witness (all those treaties with the natives we broke) etc.

      Actually I don't post high as I have no interest in dealing with you folk while I'm attempting to relax. Not to mention that you folk simply don't interest me when I'm high. I prefer either the arms of my fiancי or a nice pulp fiction novel. Sometimes a video game or a movie.
      Now chloe let's not be passive aggressive. If you have something to say to someone you might as well just say it to them rather than to me.

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      • #78
        Re: Do The Ten Commandments violate freedom of speech?

        Originally posted by Chloe View Post
        Yes it is.

        But you are right, i am superior to Fennica if i classify myself within the confines of everyone...thanks for pointing it out! I never see myself in such mannerisms of course.
        sure you don't. who's being fecestious (SIC) now?

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        • #79
          Re: Do The Ten Commandments violate freedom of speech?

          Originally posted by Chloe View Post
          So say there were no public funds involved but in the public square? Would you be okay with that?



          And you got me on the Fennica / superiority / inferiority issue. 1&1 as they say in Luther's baseball terms.



          Sure i am. If Jews wish to put in stuff in the public square i am fine with it given the Judea role in the founding of the nation.



          Not at all...if i valued your opinion, i would be. Maybe i need to start caring more about you...would that help?

          Btw i see you the exact same way. You care not one bit about other(s) and their religious views / ideologies etc, rail off at everyone who votes for either major party, insult them for doing so, claim everything would be fine if they woke up / enough people voted for third party candidates etc. At least i don't get up on an actual high horse claiming to be any better, unlike you.



          The public funds are there...the problem is caused by those trying to remove it. And their backers.



          Its usually best in your case given it makes it easier to manage, right?



          Aww, you say some adorable things!
          Public square open to any that wish to put something up with their own funds? Sure that's perfectly acceptable, constitutionally speaking. Would I personally feel like wading through that level of horse shit (say like what good_1 was talking about with the booths) everyday when I go to the courthouse to file something with the clerk etc? Not really but then its not about what I personally want but about what is acceptable constitutionally speaking.

          you really missed the mark there (oddly enough that is exactly what SIN means. missing the mark. )

          And that is a violation of establishment.

          Everyone is entitled to their religious views. That does not mean they get to violate the constitution with them. Otherwise you're going to have muslims governing themselves with sharia law and all sorts of other insanity. But then you're so fixated with enforcing your beliefs on others in flagrant violation of law that you cannot see the unintended consequences of your actions. Sad really.

          again its an all or nothing if you don't want to violate establishment. Of course you don't care about that because you're fixated upon enforcing papal decrees with your vote.

          So I'll take that dodge to mean you wish to continue to dodge and mentally masturbate? k.

          Aww you're welcome honey. Anything I can do to help.

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          • #80
            Re: Do The Ten Commandments violate freedom of speech?

            Originally posted by reality
            sure you don't. who's being fecestious (SIC) now?
            Touche. (Kind of like accusing you of posting sober / rationally etc )

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            • #81
              Re: Do The Ten Commandments violate freedom of speech?

              Originally posted by Fennica View Post
              >Yea, I don't get that either.
              -She goes on and on about how I don't comprehend english, uses that -a lot- to bash me, even after another admin has asked to clear the board.

              It's not the topic, it's merely her way of bashing and feeling superior.
              -But I'd like to know why I am so inferior.
              That is something you need to take up with your therapist / confident etc, not the place for the forum.

              >Ah, back on topic.
              Yeah, about time.

              Seriously (putting on the role of an admin here now) quit the whining and the constant "she bashed me" shit, either stick to the topic and or report posts (specifically) that you think break the rules.

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              • #82
                Re: Do The Ten Commandments violate freedom of speech?

                Originally posted by tsquare View Post
                But you still need billions of believers.
                Does that mean that Justin Bieber can register himself as a religious deity?

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                • #83
                  Re: Do The Ten Commandments violate freedom of speech?

                  Originally posted by AJG View Post
                  I'm not sure I follow. Anyone could go up to the monument and yell "G-D FKING D*MNIT" (self censored so I won't offend any religious folks). They might be stoned to death by an angry mob of Christians, but the government won't do anything about it.
                  I actually think this presents a really interesting constitutional test case. The basis of Christianity is The Ten Commandments, yet at least one of those is contrary to the US Constitution. How can someone truly be a Christian and maintain a strict adherence to the fundamental commandments of Christendom, whilst at the same time advocating the integrity of the Constitutional right to freedom of speech, when they are contrary to one another? It's something that I've not thought of before, which is why when I read it today it got me thinking.

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                  • #84
                    Re: Do The Ten Commandments violate freedom of speech?

                    Originally posted by Chloe View Post
                    No it does, which is why we continue to exhibit those in the square that have historical relevance to the creation of the nation.
                    And I completely understand that, but a line is drawn somewhere, and I'm trying to work out where that line is; after all, no state capitals have statues honoring America's slave history, which is a fundamental issue that led to the modern state we know today.

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                    • #85
                      Re: Do The Ten Commandments violate freedom of speech?

                      Originally posted by reality View Post
                      So you got a law degree and didn't bother to pass the bar? Is that what you're saying?
                      I haven't taken the bar exam yet actually - i just have the degree for now and am getting another, which is an honorary so i don't have to sit papers etc. But that is for a different discussion (Dan's thread about what college costs etc).

                      And what makes you think that will be the justification? They will more than likely use the "freedom of is not freedom from" or "judeo Christian values founding etc" like YOU have this whole time. I see that you've thought about it and copied what dilettante said earlier. Feeling better now?
                      Tbh that was my argument all along, just some chose not to read it for what it was. As for how i thought that would be the justification, it was you who started the hypothetical on what the outcomes could be.

                      Slavery was but one example, segregation (in flagrant violation of the 14th amendment), lack of rights warning etc are many others. I could list them all. If I thought you would reply to them rather than dodging.
                      Yeah, the heck you would. Go on, list them...you fell straight into the slavery trap, let's see if you fall into a few more now seeing as you are up to hooking on the bait.

                      No chloe go back and read what you wrote. I raised an objection about the 10 commandments never being followed and you made a quip about CHRIST FULFILLING JEWISH LAW IE excusing that it was never followed because Jesus.
                      No, that was in reference to what Christ followed...not us, i.e. he reformed the religion etc.

                      You said moses would and he was a jew and then when I expressed incredulity you said "but you're not a jew". so you tell me.
                      Surely you got the flippancy of that remark?

                      We gonna put up a giant watch for the deists then? What about a bunch of masonic symbology? Gosh what about witchcraft since you know that was historical too? What about the native American religions? Hmmmm? as to "historic" value: they'd have to show that we actually followed them, which is demonstrably false. what with the taking the lord's name in vain (swearing oaths by God is a no no biblically speaking) and the killing, and the bearing false witness (all those treaties with the natives we broke) etc.
                      If you had read what i wrote above, you will see that i wrote there probably was some role for Salem being remembered / witchcraft etc, certainly Native Indian religious beliefs etc. There is a clear historical role in that. No?

                      Actually I don't post high as I have no interest in dealing with you folk while I'm attempting to relax. Not to mention that you folk simply don't interest me when I'm high. I prefer either the arms of my fiancי or a nice pulp fiction novel. Sometimes a video game or a movie.
                      Well, i must say...your posting is a lot neater today with me, less all caps rants, less grammatical errors, punctuation is nice, i am mildly impressed!

                      Now chloe let's not be passive aggressive. If you have something to say to someone you might as well just say it to them rather than to me.
                      What is the point when they don't or won't understand it? At least the feces / facetious thing won't fly over your head. But anyway like it has been noted, topic only, which we seem to be making some headway on.

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                      • #86
                        Re: Do The Ten Commandments violate freedom of speech?

                        No, it's not unconstitutional. Here is the exact wording of the 1st Amendment.

                        Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.[1]
                        Is Congress doing this? Nope? Oh, OK.


                        Reading is fundamental.

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                        • #87
                          Re: Do The Ten Commandments violate freedom of speech?

                          Originally posted by noahath View Post
                          I happened across this story this morning, and it raised an interesting question; one which I hadn't thought of before. Enforcing The Ten Commandments actually violates free speech, "cannot take the Lord's name in vain." This will be a VERY interesting case if it makes its way to the Courts. I'll be interested to see what the outcome might be.

                          Most of the 10 Commandments violate U.S. Constitution, atheists say in Oklahoma suit | The Raw Story

                          Well! You've stumbled across the barbed wire of the separation of church and state!

                          what fun

                          When a religious doctrine is placed on public property at public expense, said doctrine is covered under our constitution.

                          Ya' can't make sacrifices at the alter either.

                          It's the same thing as; say American nazis wanting to place a racist doctrine on public property at public expense in their town which is not impossible. It wouldn't work there either.

                          Many people in this country aren't Christians and they are equally represented. So, any such placment; like Mt. Davidson in San Francisco has to come out of private money.
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                            Re: Do The Ten Commandments violate freedom of speech?

                            Trust me Fish, saying stuff like that only gets you accused of being hateful in a thread like this!

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                            • #89
                              Re: Do The Ten Commandments violate freedom of speech?

                              Originally posted by noahath View Post
                              And I completely understand that, but a line is drawn somewhere, and I'm trying to work out where that line is; after all, no state capitals have statues honoring America's slave history, which is a fundamental issue that led to the modern state we know today.
                              The thing is, some state capitals do fly the confederate flag but not to endorse slavery but to acknowledge their historical past (SC for example).

                              But if other states wanted to recognize the issue as such, the similarity to this would be that no court could just strike it out or down at their own pleasure, at least IMO.

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                                Re: Do The Ten Commandments violate freedom of speech?

                                Originally posted by noahath View Post
                                Does that mean that Justin Bieber can register himself as a religious deity?
                                Sure... why not? (I knew... just knew you liked him! )

                                And in 3,000 years...

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