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  • Crime and punishment in America

    I watched this clip of how Sheriff Joe Arpaio deals with his prisoners who desecrate the American flag.

    Seems harsh, but then he DID warn them and it is not like convicted felons have some constitutionally protected right to free expression or anything...

    I will appreciate your thoughts on this event, and, also, anything you can find in this vein:


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    Re: Crime and punishment in America

    So what did they do? In any case, punishing people for attacking symbols seems rather nazi/north korea to me.

    And that bread looks delicious, like a lumpia. Don't know what the anchors problem is.

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      Re: Crime and punishment in America

      I'm all for making prison as not fun as possible, but you still have to direct people to a productive and non-criminal future, or they'll still be right back there. Fun or not, it's still three hots and a cot, which is more than many have to look foreword to when they leave.

      That would be news.

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      • #4
        Re: Crime and punishment in America

        Most jails are not punishment, they are simply incarceration. They just keep the bad guys off the streets for a little while.

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          Re: Crime and punishment in America

          Prison should be for training and conditioning for manual labor. They should grow their own food and be as little of a burden on society as possible. They shouldn't have TV, weight rooms, internet, etc.... Radio listening should be at the guards' discretion over the speaker system. They should have a library of books that teach skills for anybody who wants to learn during their down time. They can write letters to their families if they would like and call home for 15 minutes/month to a prescreened phone number at a designated time. Older inmates can teach younger inmates to read or learn other useful skills. (math, manners, typing, anything useful for getting job)

          They could make furniture for government buildings, sew military, police, and their own uniforms, or license plates for the DMV. Just don't give them the material used to make the guards uniform or they will make uniforms to use to escape.

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            Re: Crime and punishment in America

            Originally posted by Texan View Post
            Prison should be for training and conditioning for manual labor. They should grow their own food and be as little of a burden on society as possible. They shouldn't have TV, weight rooms, internet, etc.... Radio listening should be at the guards' discretion over the speaker system. They should have a library of books that teach skills for anybody who wants to learn during their down time. They can write letters to their families if they would like and call home for 15 minutes/month to a prescreened phone number at a designated time. Older inmates can teach younger inmates to read or learn other useful skills. (math, manners, typing, anything useful for getting job)

            They could make furniture for government buildings, sew military, police, and their own uniforms, or license plates for the DMV. Just don't give them the material used to make the guards uniform or they will make uniforms to use to escape.
            Illinois is the only state where the governors actually make the license plates.

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              Re: Crime and punishment in America

              Hey he told those inmates not to destroy gov't property, paid for by the taxpayers. And what did these goons do? They got what they deserved, IMO. Not like he cut off food and water.

              Look, most criminals(not talking about drug offenders) get there because they have no respect for another's property, or respect for human life. They want you to work hard to buy what you need, and then they steal it. They are too good to work. No one should tolerate it.

              While I am liberal in many things, to me it's human decency and common sense liberalism. Like my ancestors were. These goons were poking their finger in the sheriff's eye, and you can't win a pissing contest in this environment, or you should be allowed to. It is said that here in our own prison system, that the inmates run the prisons. Something is wrong with that.

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                Re: Crime and punishment in America

                Originally posted by erikvv View Post
                So what did they do? In any case, punishing people for attacking symbols seems rather nazi/north korea to me.

                And that bread looks delicious, like a lumpia. Don't know what the anchors problem is.
                If the prisoners were warned not to desecrate furniture, televisions or any other luxury they have, would you expect a different outcome?

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                  Re: Crime and punishment in America

                  Originally posted by Texan View Post
                  Prison should be for training and conditioning for manual labor. They should grow their own food and be as little of a burden on society as possible. They shouldn't have TV, weight rooms, internet, etc.... Radio listening should be at the guards' discretion over the speaker system. They should have a library of books that teach skills for anybody who wants to learn during their down time. They can write letters to their families if they would like and call home for 15 minutes/month to a prescreened phone number at a designated time. Older inmates can teach younger inmates to read or learn other useful skills. (math, manners, typing, anything useful for getting job)

                  They could make furniture for government buildings, sew military, police, and their own uniforms, or license plates for the DMV. Just don't give them the material used to make the guards uniform or they will make uniforms to use to escape.
                  Yeah, like Neal Caffery did on White Collar.

                  I agree with your perspective and I generally applaud Joe Arpaio's approach to running his prison.

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                    Re: Crime and punishment in America

                    Originally posted by Good1 View Post
                    I watched this clip of how Sheriff Joe Arpaio deals with his prisoners who desecrate the American flag.

                    Seems harsh, but then he DID warn them and it is not like convicted felons have some constitutionally protected right to free expression or anything...

                    I will appreciate your thoughts on this event, and, also, anything you can find in this vein:
                    There really is nothing harsh about this. Just sounds like it.

                    1. That really is not a bread and water diet. The bread itself, per the video, is stacked with vegetables. At no point is anyone's life in danger even if it were just a purely water and only bread diet. It may taste like hell, but there is no right to good tasting food in prison.

                    2. There is no Constitutional argument to have here. There are plenty of restrictive rules to being in prison, you break them and you should expect harsh punishment. Solitary, an actual bread and water diet, loss of privileges, even extended periods of not being able to shower.

                    3. Lastly, there is no expectation to freedom of expression in prison. If the warden wants to be a dick about it he can enforce rules related to not cursing under any circumstances, and start punishing people for breaking that rule. You can be inspected, even body cavity inspected, at any time. You can have items removed from the cell, never to return at any time. Harassment and keeping the prisoner down is an expectation, not a problem.

                    In short, this is nonsense.

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                      Re: Crime and punishment in America

                      Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
                      There really is nothing harsh about this. Just sounds like it.

                      1. That really is not a bread and water diet. The bread itself, per the video, is stacked with vegetables. At no point is anyone's life in danger even if it were just a purely water and only bread diet. It may taste like hell, but there is no right to good tasting food in prison.

                      2. There is no Constitutional argument to have here. There are plenty of restrictive rules to being in prison, you break them and you should expect harsh punishment. Solitary, an actual bread and water diet, loss of privileges, even extended periods of not being able to shower.

                      3. Lastly, there is no expectation to freedom of expression in prison. If the warden wants to be a dick about it he can enforce rules related to not cursing under any circumstances, and start punishing people for breaking that rule. You can be inspected, even body cavity inspected, at any time. You can have items removed from the cell, never to return at any time. Harassment and keeping the prisoner down is an expectation, not a problem.

                      In short, this is nonsense.
                      You support everything Arpaio did to those 38 prisoners, but end with "this is nonsense?" I don't get that closing, though I agree with your three points.

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                        Re: Crime and punishment in America

                        Originally posted by Good1 View Post
                        You support everything Arpaio did to those 38 prisoners, but end with "this is nonsense?" I don't get that closing, though I agree with your three points.
                        he be talkin bout the article and the hippies who bitch about it mon

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                          Re: Crime and punishment in America

                          Originally posted by reality View Post
                          he be talkin bout the article and the hippies who bitch about it mon
                          Article? WHOT article? We don' need no stankin' ARTICLE mang...

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                          • #14
                            Re: Crime and punishment in America

                            Articles.... Youtube videos.... ALL MADE IN TAIWAN!

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                              Ah, sure.

                              Does that mean leetang will be along directly to slander us all over it?

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