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  • Originally posted by redrover View Post
    OK I went back and read the posts and it appears that the answer is to have OMD adopt them all. You are right I never adopted any children but I did have three of my own. We decided that was all we wanted. I guess that makes me a Nazi. God probably had plans for us to have ten more.
    Of course, those were surely His original plans. . until He learned of your Nazi tendencies LOL

    ... and I only had TWO, which means I have even greater Nazi tendencies. I'm so ashamed... I never murdered any of the unborn at least.

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    • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

      Of course, those were surely His original plans. . until He learned of your Nazi tendencies LOL

      ... and I only had TWO, which means I have even greater Nazi tendencies. I'm so ashamed... I never murdered any of the unborn at least.
      I became a baby killer quite by accident when I was 13. One morning I woke up with a certain girl on my mind, rolling around in bed it happened. I killed millions of potential babies. Murdering babies proved to be such fun that I soon discovered a more efficient way of performing the genocide. My career as a Nazi includes no abortions but lots of spermicide especially during those glory days of youth. I'd fall down on my knees and beg for forgiveness but it would take the whole fire department to get me off the floor.

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      • Educational Rot

        There's another educational issue that's neither flattering nor comfortable to confront. That's the low academic quality of so many teachers. It's an issue that must be confronted and dealt with if we're to improve the quality of education. Most states require prospective teachers to pass a certification test. How about a sample of some of the test questions.
        https://www.dailywire.com/news/25231...ter-e-williams

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        • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
          It is fairly well established that talent follows the money. If we want teachers with the academic potential of say premed students we will have to offer these bright students financial rewards to enter the educational field on a par with they could earn in other professional field.Are tax payers willing to pay for this kind of quality education? My guess is that they are not.

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          • Originally posted by redrover View Post

            It is fairly well established that talent follows the money. If we want teachers with the academic potential of say premed students we will have to offer these bright students financial rewards to enter the educational field on a par with they could earn in other professional field.Are tax payers willing to pay for this kind of quality education? My guess is that they are not.
            In many parts of the country, teachers make well over the average wage for the area.

            https://teach.com/blog/highest-lowest-teacher-salaries/

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            • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

              In many parts of the country, teachers make well over the average wage for the area.

              https://teach.com/blog/highest-lowest-teacher-salaries/
              I thought you were in the market for top notch professionals with brainpower right up there with doctors lawyers engineers and others of that ilk For years tax payers got a hell of a bargain because sharp women had limited career options. It was secretary nurse or teacher. Now that women having more options the educational field is losing out on many talented women. You say you are or were an engineer. When you finished your training did you aspire to make a little better than average salary, factoring in what grocery clerks and hamburger flippers were pulling down/ My guess is you started off with a wage quite a bit higher than the average joe in your community.

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              • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                I thought you were in the market for top notch professionals with brainpower right up there with doctors lawyers engineers and others of that ilk For years tax payers got a hell of a bargain because sharp women had limited career options. It was secretary nurse or teacher. Now that women having more options the educational field is losing out on many talented women. You say you are or were an engineer. When you finished your training did you aspire to make a little better than average salary, factoring in what grocery clerks and hamburger flippers were pulling down/ My guess is you started off with a wage quite a bit higher than the average joe in your community.

                The boomers benefitted from these high quality women in teaching in those days. I had either great or excellent teachers in my years at public school. Sadly, this is no longer the case here where I live. Both my daughters were taught english in high school by a black teacher who wore sunglasses in class, and could not speak proper english. No doubt an affirmative action educated teacher, which the school here could not fire in fear of a discrimination suit. Thankfully she retired a few years ago, but one wonders how many like her are teaching the kids today?

                My wife retired from teaching in public school here has a decent retirement, but had to get advanced degrees in order to make a living from teaching. She got a masters, and then here in this state, they offer a Specialist degree, which she got as well. For base income is based upon degrees. With her salary, she could have lived a decent middle class life with no problem. Took 7 years of college to get it. 7 years spent in another field might have yielded an upper middle class life instead of a middle, middle class life.
                Last edited by Blue Doggy; 01-01-2018, 05:30 PM.

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                • Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post


                  The boomers benefitted from these high quality women in teaching in those days. I had either great or excellent teachers in my years at public school. Sadly, this is no longer the case here where I live. Both my daughters were taught english in high school by a black teacher who wore sunglasses in class, and could not speak proper english. No doubt an affirmative action educated teacher, which the school here could not fire in fear of a discrimination suit. Thankfully she retired a few years ago, but one wonders how many like her are teaching the kids today?

                  My wife retired from teaching in public school here has a decent retirement, but had to get advanced degrees in order to make a living from teaching. She got a masters, and then here in this state, they offer a Specialist degree, which she got as well. For base income is based upon degrees. With her salary, she could have lived a decent middle class life with no problem. Took 7 years of college to get it. 7 years spent in another field might have yielded an upper middle class life instead of a middle, middle class life.
                  For many of the women I taught with teaching was a nice second income job nut there was never ant doubt that their husbands were the primary bread winner. Salaries here in NY are better than in the south. fifty years ago when I started with a master's degree and one year of credited service I started at 42 thousand in 2017 dollars. Not terrible for a single guy.After twenty years of teaching I remember feeling frustrated when I couldn't free up two hundred dollars to buy a new lawn mower. It was nice when I Finally made enough so I didn't have to paint houses in the summer.My wife worked part time in x-ray at a local hospital. I enjoyed teaching more than she did her job.Back in the 1960's when I first started it was easy to get a teaching job and people tended to hop around from one district to anther, Then in the 1970's things tightened up and if you had a job you held onto it The last time I checked the turn over rate has become very high because the job has become very stressfull https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai.../#35f8e39a6ba7
                  Last edited by OldmanDan; 01-02-2018, 05:51 AM.

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                  • I attended a small rural school in upstate New York. There were 600 students in K-12, all in the same building. We had one Principal and he had one secretary/accountant. There was one full time janitor, and one part time who helped mow the lawns in the summer. A local farmer contracted in the winter to plow the snow. There were three ladies who worked in the cafeteria making lunches. There were 30 children in my Kindergarten class and another 30 in a sister class. When we graduated there were 36 in our Senior class. Buses ran routes and picked up all the kids on that route.

                    Today, the school still has 600 students. Only today, each teacher has a teacher's aid, there is a principal, two assistant principals, each has a secretary. There is a full time accountant and a janitorial staff of 6. They purchased a snow plow to plow the snow in the winter. There is one lady who does nothing but make copies. There are many more buses now because Kindergartners can't ride on the same buss as seniors or middle school kids and the middle school kids can't ride on the same bus as the elementary school kids. even though they are dropped off at the same building at the same time. There is a huge new gymnasium that seats 300 people and has never been more than half full at any time. Teachers are the highest paid people in the town.

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                    • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                      I attended a small rural school in upstate New York. There were 600 students in K-12, all in the same building. We had one Principal and he had one secretary/accountant. There was one full time janitor, and one part time who helped mow the lawns in the summer. A local farmer contracted in the winter to plow the snow. There were three ladies who worked in the cafeteria making lunches. There were 30 children in my Kindergarten class and another 30 in a sister class. When we graduated there were 36 in our Senior class. Buses ran routes and picked up all the kids on that route.

                      Today, the school still has 600 students. Only today, each teacher has a teacher's aid, there is a principal, two assistant principals, each has a secretary. There is a full time accountant and a janitorial staff of 6. They purchased a snow plow to plow the snow in the winter. There is one lady who does nothing but make copies. There are many more buses now because Kindergartners can't ride on the same buss as seniors or middle school kids and the middle school kids can't ride on the same bus as the elementary school kids. even though they are dropped off at the same building at the same time. There is a huge new gymnasium that seats 300 people and has never been more than half full at any time. Teachers are the highest paid people in the town.
                      Teachers also have more education than most people in the town. In NY YOU can start teaching with a bachelor's degree but to keep your license you have to earn a master's degree within a few years. In my county the lower grades are dismissed later than the upper grades in part to accommodate interscholastic sports schedules.Teacher aides like hospital aides are a great bargain. You can pay a teacher 75 thousand a year to stand bus duty and run a copier when they could be spending their time in better ways while an aide getting minimum wage can do a lot of this grunt work.

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                      • After coming out with the theory of relativity Eintein tried to get a high school teaching job but he was rejected. Standards were much tighter in those days.https://www.pri.org/stories/2015-06-...lacker-years-1

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                        • Originally posted by redrover View Post
                          After coming out with the theory of relativity Eintein tried to get a high school teaching job but he was rejected. Standards were much tighter in those days.https://www.pri.org/stories/2015-06-...lacker-years-1
                          Probably because of this quote.

                          Education is what remains after one has forgotten what one has learned in school.
                          Albert Einstein

                          or this one

                          The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education.
                          Albert Einstein

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                          • Originally posted by redrover View Post
                            After coming out with the theory of relativity Eintein tried to get a high school teaching job but he was rejected. Standards were much tighter in those days.https://www.pri.org/stories/2015-06-...lacker-years-1
                            Here is another brilliant scientist of his age who spent teaching elementary school.https://www.biography.com/people/john-dalton-9265201

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                            • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                              Here is another brilliant scientist of his age who spent teaching elementary school.https://www.biography.com/people/john-dalton-9265201
                              That was about the time a good education stopped being available.

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                              • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

                                That was about the time a good education stopped being available.
                                I know what you mean poor Mr. Orioli failed miserably to bang much math into my little wooden head. Do you think Einstein would have been as patient when I raised my hand and said in my whiniest voice. I don't get it? Albert was a genius but his brother Frank was a monster. LOL

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