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  • #61
    Here's my link.

    http://www.gallup.com/opinion/gallup...-learning.aspx

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    • #62
      Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post

      I won't argue with their poll, however, my daughter graduated from high school in 2001 and all students took keyboarding classes and all turned in all of their homework assignments printed out. Their text books, for the most part were on their computer.

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      • #63
        Not every school district everywhere is as digitally hooked up but there are plenty of computer courses in our local school district (no madatory or free laptops). In highschool many classes expect papers to be printed or digitially delivered.
        Last edited by JDJarvis; 02-12-2016, 05:16 PM.

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        • #64
          So I just recently learned that the free college education in Europe is not free and equal for all. It was said that children at 15 years of age must take a test to qualify for free college. This is quite disturbing if true. So here we have the bright getting a college education, and we have the wealthy who can afford to pay, getting a college education. But what about the poor who can not afford and are not bright enough to qualify? It seems like quite a firm line is being drawn in society that disregards the citizens who are not bright enough or rich enough to be worth assisting to reach their potential. A doomed life securing the peasants of society to serve the elite and future elite. What a wonderful gov't that decides to keep the poor and intellectually weaker citizens in their place. No wonder socialized healthcare is necessary. They've got to keep the servants healthy.

          Oh, and if it's not true about this test, then just disregard this comment. BUT if it is true. Shame on Europe!

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          • #65
            College Indoctrination: Watch the video.

            http://dailycaller.com/2016/08/20/co...ndoctrination/

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            • #66
              Originally posted by msc View Post
              So I just recently learned that the free college education in Europe is not free and equal for all. It was said that children at 15 years of age must take a test to qualify for free college. This is quite disturbing if true. So here we have the bright getting a college education, and we have the wealthy who can afford to pay, getting a college education. But what about the poor who can not afford and are not bright enough to qualify? It seems like quite a firm line is being drawn in society that disregards the citizens who are not bright enough or rich enough to be worth assisting to reach their potential. A doomed life securing the peasants of society to serve the elite and future elite. What a wonderful gov't that decides to keep the poor and intellectually weaker citizens in their place. No wonder socialized healthcare is necessary. They've got to keep the servants healthy.

              Oh, and if it's not true about this test, then just disregard this comment. BUT if it is true. Shame on Europe!
              Erm, you do realise that saying "In Europe" and then talking about university tuition costs makes no sense as we are all different countries with vastly different systems and methods of paying for education. All countries are free to set whatever tuition fee's they want and this changes all the time.

              The UK for example has only recently gone from free university education for all to a system where universities can charge up to 9000 a year and students need to get loans which are repaid once they get a job with a certain minimum wage. This was done by the UK government and has no impact on any other country in Europe and they are free to do whatever they like.

              http://www.thecompleteuniversityguid...-tuition-fees/

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              • #67
                Originally posted by msc View Post
                So I just recently learned that the free college education in Europe is not free and equal for all. It was said that children at 15 years of age must take a test to qualify for free college. This is quite disturbing if true. So here we have the bright getting a college education, and we have the wealthy who can afford to pay, getting a college education. But what about the poor who can not afford and are not bright enough to qualify? It seems like quite a firm line is being drawn in society that disregards the citizens who are not bright enough or rich enough to be worth assisting to reach their potential. A doomed life securing the peasants of society to serve the elite and future elite. What a wonderful gov't that decides to keep the poor and intellectually weaker citizens in their place. No wonder socialized healthcare is necessary. They've got to keep the servants healthy.

                Oh, and if it's not true about this test, then just disregard this comment. BUT if it is true. Shame on Europe!
                So, you would send people to college who do not have the ability to pass college level courses? You do realize that not all people have what it takes to pass the subjects required to graduate from college, right? Or is this something we have forgotten? I think we have forgotten that basic fact about people. And that is why the right side can say that if a poor person wants to get out of poverty, to go and get yourself a college degree, in a field that will allow one to prosper. But we used to understand that not all people are college material. And we had a way for these people to prosper too, in making what America consumes. And so, some people who had the right stuff, got a college education, and the people who were not the right stuff, by their labor, could prosper too. By providing what is essential in a modern civilization. Goods and services. That is, until we stopped caring about our non college people, and shipped their jobs to Mexicans and communists, who would never prosper by their work in providing our people with widgets. But the banking cabal loved this change, and the MNCs loved this change, and the people who own controlling stock loved this change. For the GOP brought back an economic philosophy that said, if you want to prosper, get a college degree in a field that pays you enough to live on.

                But your thinking here on this subject explains to me why and how people who buy into conservatism, whole hog, can say what they do. You guys must think that every person is college material, and the only reason they do not go to college is because they are just too lazy to study. This is peculiar to modern conservatism, for we used to know better, even the old conservatives. And serves as a great example of the disconnect from reality that is so prolific on the modern conservative side. And if you act from this disconnect, the problem in earning a living wage is never addressed in a way that allows people to earn a living wage. The disconnected solution is, get off your lazy tail and get yourself a good degree, otherwise shut up. No wonder some of us have such a problem with modern conservatives. (I am aiming this at modern conservatism as a belief system, not you personally)

                If our politicians actually cared about the non college American people, they would have never deindustrialized this nation to the degree that they have, sending living wage jobs to people so subject to exploitation, and allowing a non living wage service sector(used to employ teens by and large) to supply and replace the jobs lost to greed driven predatory capitalism. After the Great Depression and the suffering it caused working people, we structured our economy so that its engines provided for our people to prosper by their hard work, in making what we consumed. Which, is the only way you will ever give the max number of you own people a living wage, which of course does not allow the top to max out their own income. Yet, they still got rich. But the GOP brought back something from the past, from the gilded age, and destroyed this economy that was concerned with providing for the American people. And what they replaced it with, requires a college degree in a good field, and made prospering by work, labor, almost impossible. So of course, given this, the people who sent our traditional way of people prospering by work, to where slave wages could be paid, must tell everyone to get a degree in a good field. Except it ignores reality, which these people must do, in order to sell this absurdity. You know, that looks really close to outright evil to me. But a disconnect from reality, tends to create evil, and it has done so in regards to this issue.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post

                  Erm, you do realise that saying "In Europe" and then talking about university tuition costs makes no sense as we are all different countries with vastly different systems and methods of paying for education. All countries are free to set whatever tuition fee's they want and this changes all the time.

                  The UK for example has only recently gone from free university education for all to a system where universities can charge up to 9000 a year and students need to get loans which are repaid once they get a job with a certain minimum wage. This was done by the UK government and has no impact on any other country in Europe and they are free to do whatever they like.

                  http://www.thecompleteuniversityguid...-tuition-fees/
                  Sanders was right when he said that at least here in America, a college degree is what a high school diploma was 60 years ago, when it comes to a living wage job. If one believes in public schools, educating a population, so that all people are educated, for the good of the nation(what a quaint idea, these days, when the only good politicians care about is the good of our elites) then one should also believe in providing free public college for those that are college material. While realizing that not all humans are college material, and never have been, and never will be.

                  But we no longer do what is good for a nation, at least here in America. We no longer look on America as being important, and being more important than the wealth of a few at the top. For to consider the GOOD of America, is somehow anti individualism, and looks like communism, and the right side is against that. Instead, what makes America strong, healthy, is not how well working people do, but how our few elites are doing. If they are maxing out their own wealth, such a few people, then America is strong, healthy. It is a helluva way to think, but that is the way the right side thinks. And this way of thinking was bought into by the dems in DC, and look at what they have done to America. And this attitude extends into education, the free college idea.

                  But both political parties existence is dependent upon a dumbed down people. For if americans were educated in the right way, perhaps they would not put up with what both parties have done to their country and her people. So, it is in the interest of both parties to have as many village idiots as possible to vote, once you conditioned their minds to not be able to see what is going on. The worst thing for a corrupt republic is to educate people, and the best thing for a republic is to have educated voters, who are not so apt to fall for clever propaganda. So it is not that hard to understand why politicians who only represent our elites do not want free public college for those who are college material. Education is their enemy.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by msc View Post
                    So I just recently learned that the free college education in Europe is not free and equal for all. It was said that children at 15 years of age must take a test to qualify for free college. This is quite disturbing if true. So here we have the bright getting a college education, and we have the wealthy who can afford to pay, getting a college education. But what about the poor who can not afford and are not bright enough to qualify? It seems like quite a firm line is being drawn in society that disregards the citizens who are not bright enough or rich enough to be worth assisting to reach their potential. A doomed life securing the peasants of society to serve the elite and future elite. What a wonderful gov't that decides to keep the poor and intellectually weaker citizens in their place. No wonder socialized healthcare is necessary. They've got to keep the servants healthy.

                    Oh, and if it's not true about this test, then just disregard this comment. BUT if it is true. Shame on Europe!


                    Huh ? You do realize that there is no such thing as a "free" education ? There are merely different ways to finance education ( taxes ?) And that there is no such thing as a european system of education. But about as many Systems as there are countries in Europe ?
                    In Germany education, simply put, is free of direct charge. Doesnt matter wether your parents are rich or not ( not even your passport matters.) What you have to though is to meet the formal and educational requirements. The marks, the language skills etc.
                    Kids are separated into those considered fit and capable for academic education, and those that are happier working with their hands. The latter are offered a wide variety of apprenticeships and vocational school training. The roots of the german apprenticeship system lie in the middle ages and go back hundreds of years, Curricula and formal framework are developed and adapted by employers associations, unions, and the education ministry in cooperation. To make sure vocational schools turn out the workers that industry and trades need.
                    That path of education is not at all considered something for struggling Kids leading to a doomed life, in fact also an apprenticeship offers attractive and well paid career opportunities ( a skilled technician in the car industry f.e. easily makes roughly the same or more than a university researcher. While having the safer job as well and also has the opportunity to top up his vocational degree with an Engineering one from tech university if he chooses to at some point.
                    To be blunt : Id argue that it is much rather countries with the Obsession to get everyone into academic education, regardless of will and capability, that are on the wrong path.


                    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...onal-education

                    http://www.theatlantic.com/business/...orkers/381550/

                    http://theconversation.com/german-ap...nerships-23210



                    Youth unemployment in Germany is among the lowest in the developed world by the way. While in the US you have the problem of having no shortage of Kids with plenty of college debt and useless, but expensive degrees, right ?




                    Last edited by Voland; 08-22-2016, 04:22 AM.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Voland View Post



                      Huh ? You do realize that there is no such thing as a "free" education ? There are merely different ways to finance education ( taxes ?) And that there is no such thing as a european system of education. But about as many Systems as there are countries in Europe ?
                      In Germany education, simply put, is free of direct charge. Doesnt matter wether your parents are rich or not ( not even your passport matters.) What you have to though is to meet the formal and educational requirements. The marks, the language skills etc.
                      Kids are separated into those considered fit and capable for academic education, and those that are happier working with their hands. The latter are offered a wide variety of apprenticeships and vocational school training. The roots of the german apprenticeship system lie in the middle ages and go back hundreds of years, Curricula and formal framework are developed and adapted by employers associations, unions, and the education ministry in cooperation. To make sure vocational schools turn out the workers that industry and trades need.
                      That path of education is not at all considered something for struggling Kids leading to a doomed life, in fact also an apprenticeship offers attractive and well paid career opportunities ( a skilled technician in the car industry f.e. easily makes roughly the same or more than a university researcher. While having the safer job as well and also has the opportunity to top up his vocational degree with an Engineering one from tech university if he chooses to at some point.
                      To be blunt : Id argue that it is much rather countries with the Obsession to get everyone into academic education, regardless of will and capability, that are on the wrong path.


                      http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...onal-education

                      http://www.theatlantic.com/business/...orkers/381550/

                      http://theconversation.com/german-ap...nerships-23210



                      Youth unemployment in Germany is among the lowest in the developed world by the way. While in the US you have the problem of having no shortage of Kids with plenty of college debt and useless, but expensive degrees, right ?



                      Germany, does so many things in the most intelligent fashion. What you talked about is one of them.

                      We had a push in public schools, to encourage ALL people to attend college, as they stopped encouraging vocational educations for people who were not college material. Then this loony idea arose, that every human being could be a college grad. And if you were not one, it was only because you were not motivated, and lazy. You see this belief on the right side, where they will tell people who want a living wage to get a college degree in a good field. But this is because so many of our non college degree jobs that provided a living wage was sent to other nations where their workers were poor, and these poor people could be exploited with super low wages, maxing out MNC profits.

                      My neck of the woods used to be dotted with trade schools, many of them teaching trades in support of manufacturing. But as manufacturing was offshored, those schools closed their doors, and low wage, welfare receiving service sector work replaced those good jobs, that supported manufacturing.

                      We basically gutted this nation of jobs that need a trade school education, and then told these kids to get a college degree, going so far in debt for decades, which amounts to a house payment, which makes them renters. Of course this was a boon to financial institutions, but we now have a looming debt bubble, once again, in the trillions of dollars. And with a gutted out economy we will have another bubble to burst, another crash, another recession. We are not very intelligent, unlike Germany. But we are governed by a small group of elites, who are trying to suck all of the wealth they can from the middle, before they sink this ship. Then they will retreat to their offshore retreats, their private islands, and throw parties for their peers, as they indulge in sex with under aged boys and girls, right out of Caligula. .

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post

                        Germany, does so many things in the most intelligent fashion. What you talked about is one of them.

                        We had a push in public schools, to encourage ALL people to attend college, as they stopped encouraging vocational educations for people who were not college material. Then this loony idea arose, that every human being could be a college grad. And if you were not one, it was only because you were not motivated, and lazy. You see this belief on the right side, where they will tell people who want a living wage to get a college degree in a good field. But this is because so many of our non college degree jobs that provided a living wage was sent to other nations where their workers were poor, and these poor people could be exploited with super low wages, maxing out MNC profits.

                        My neck of the woods used to be dotted with trade schools, many of them teaching trades in support of manufacturing. But as manufacturing was offshored, those schools closed their doors, and low wage, welfare receiving service sector work replaced those good jobs, that supported manufacturing.

                        We basically gutted this nation of jobs that need a trade school education, and then told these kids to get a college degree, going so far in debt for decades, which amounts to a house payment, which makes them renters. Of course this was a boon to financial institutions, but we now have a looming debt bubble, once again, in the trillions of dollars. And with a gutted out economy we will have another bubble to burst, another crash, another recession. We are not very intelligent, unlike Germany. But we are governed by a small group of elites, who are trying to suck all of the wealth they can from the middle, before they sink this ship. Then they will retreat to their offshore retreats, their private islands, and throw parties for their peers, as they indulge in sex with under aged boys and girls, right out of Caligula. .

                        Well, it is part of a national plan ( and it is understood that Americans are not very much into economic planning) and has roots going back to the medieval cities. It is furthermore highly standardized and harmonized ( keyword : stakeholder capitalism). Germany has around 350 registered trades, from technicians of various types till craftspeople, plumbers or carpenters, from nurses till bank clerks or optricians. To work in any of these, requires the appropriate degree. ( importing cheap labour--makes no sense)
                        Their curricula are standardized throughout the country, that means it doesnt matter in which part of the country you go to tech/vocational school. Yet normally companies will take you as an apprentice with the goal of hiring you afterwards. Training consists of "on the job"-days (around 50-70 %) as well as school days, that means apprentices are up to the job as soon as they get their degree. For companies the system offers the opportunity to train their own staff with the qualifications they need and have a say in what they are beeing tought in school. Something that no "cheap" worker abroad can match. It is also usually employer and unions representatives that draft and hold the exams in vocational school. For unions the system offers the opportunity to keep workers jobs safe by ensuring that schools turn out able workers that can demand comparatively high salaries for their skills (yes, workers qualification is a regular topic in wage negotiations). The ministry or the corresponding local governement bodies usually acts as mediator between the two, authors the schoolbooks and set some regulatory framework, but its role is rather that of a supervisor/referee than a player. And yes, that requires quite a bit of long-term investment ( well, sensible investment in education today means having to pay less in unemployment benefits tomorrow. Or crime prevention) . It is also normal that workers are expected to constantly learn, train and re-train to adjust to changes in products, in the workplace or the economy.
                        The system is centuries old while constantly adjusted, and the various parties are used to it. Also to demonstrate a degree of trust , long-term orientation and cooperation ( stakeholder-capitalism again) that would be very difficult to imagine in the US. Not because they are better or smarter people, but because they are used to pursue long-term goals ( Germans take pride in having the most resilient and most stable economy, size ? Not so much. Probably a heritage of coming back from unprecedented devastation just two generations ago )
                        Which is also why in spite of attempts it is very difficult to emulate elsewhere.



                        http://theconversation.com/german-ap...nerships-23210


                        Quote : / A key dynamic is how the German vocational education system is monitored and organised. The concept of corporatism refers to the institutionalised form of collaboration between governmental bodies, employers associations, trade unions and others. It describes the dual system as a state-controlled market model of so-called Rhineland capitalism. The state sets the guidelines within which social actors have to make their own choices.

                        The delegation of regulatory competence for the training system from the government to corporate intermediaries is another important aspect of this concept of corporatism. Organisations such as local, self-governing chambers of commerce and industry, act as intermediate organisations between the state and companies, putting training laws and regulations into practice.

                        Such intermediate organisations do not exist in the UK. At least, there are no organisations with comparable strength in the system. One result is that policies around vocational training in the UK are largely market based. Whereas in Germany, autonomous bodies and committees are often the initiators of vocational policy. There is an on-going communication between these agencies representing different social groups on the one hand, and government authorities on the other.

                        Organisations such the chambers of commerce or the Federal Institute for Vocational Education are institutionalised as partners. This leads to a more stable system of organisation that can be used as a platform for changes in vocational educational training.

                        Last edited by Voland; 08-22-2016, 09:07 AM.

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                        • #72
                          I find this discussion very interested and would like to contribute a couple thoughts. Reading the links about the German vocational system I have learned details I had otherwise been unaware of. Germans have a great deal to be proud of, after all, the term 'German engineering' has been code for 'the best' as long as I can remember.

                          As described, the German dual system assists the placement of workers into 335 specific regulated trades per individual choice. The organizations such as the Federal Institute for Vocational Education in partnership with corporations institute the constant changes in educational training needed due to changing markets and technology. This all sounds brilliant and utopian - but maybe not a fit in the U.S.

                          The party in power could not keep their grubby hands off of such organizations and use them in attempt to social engineer a future they desire. The reasons for great resistance to such a unifying organization extends beyond ideology. More importantly resistance to federal regulation of educational training is due to the great socioeconomic differences from one section of this nation to another. I own a small business and employ certified welders and machinists. My company serves what we call the 'tri-state' area of Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Upper Michigan. At 437,000 sq km we serve only 5.5% of the contiguous 48 state landmass . . . or 125% the size of Germany. The great size and diversity across the United States negates even the most successful formulas for things like education and health care proven successful in much smaller European nations. Wages, cost of living, and general employee and customer expectations differ greatly from one section of this country to another. No matter how hard they try - no government agency can change that.

                          One other problem in comparison to Germany. Only 29% of immigrants (25+ years of age) in the U.S. have college degrees compared to 45% of German immigrants. Only 13% of Hispanic immigrants, our fastest growing population, have a college degree. Despite all of the recent criticism of Chancellor Merkel, Germany still has a much more selective immigration system than the U.S. All of this contributes to the education of a general population.
                          Last edited by SupPackFan; 08-22-2016, 02:39 PM.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by SupPackFan View Post
                            I find this discussion very interested and would like to contribute a couple thoughts. Reading the links about the German vocational system I have learned details I had otherwise been unaware of. Germans have a great deal to be proud of, after all, the term 'German engineering' has been code for 'the best' as long as I can remember.

                            As described, the German dual system assists the placement of workers into 335 specific regulated trades per individual choice. The organizations such as the Federal Institute for Vocational Education in partnership with corporations institute the constant changes in educational training needed due to changing markets and technology. This all sounds brilliant and utopian - but maybe not a fit in the U.S.

                            The party in power could not keep their grubby hands off of such organizations and use them in attempt to social engineer a future they desire. The reasons for great resistance to such a unifying organization extends beyond ideology. More importantly resistance to federal regulation of educational training is due to the great socioeconomic differences from one section of this nation to another. I own a small business and employ certified welders and machinists. My company serves what we call the 'tri-state' area of Minnesota, Wisconsin, and Upper Michigan. At 437,000 sq km we serve only 5.5% of the contiguous 48 state landmass . . . or 125% the size of Germany. The great size and diversity across the United States negates even the most successful formulas for things like education and health care proven successful in much smaller European nations. Wages, cost of living, and general employee and customer expectations differ greatly from one section of this country to another. No matter how hard they try - no government agency can change that.

                            One other problem in comparison to Germany. Only 29% of immigrants (25+ years of age) in the U.S. have college degrees compared to 45% of German immigrants. Only 13% of Hispanic immigrants, our fastest growing population, have a college degree. Despite all of the recent criticism of Chancellor Merkel, Germany still has a much more selective immigration system than the U.S. All of this contributes to the education of a general population.
                            Education in this country quit being about making productive members of society, a long time ago. Now it is about keeping professors employed, making money for the schools, indoctrinating young skulls full of mush, and growing football teams.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Voland View Post


                              Well, it is part of a national plan ( and it is understood that Americans are not very much into economic planning) and has roots going back to the medieval cities. It is furthermore highly standardized and harmonized ( keyword : stakeholder capitalism). Germany has around 350 registered trades, from technicians of various types till craftspeople, plumbers or carpenters, from nurses till bank clerks or optricians. To work in any of these, requires the appropriate degree. ( importing cheap labour--makes no sense)
                              Their curricula are standardized throughout the country, that means it doesnt matter in which part of the country you go to tech/vocational school. Yet normally companies will take you as an apprentice with the goal of hiring you afterwards. Training consists of "on the job"-days (around 50-70 %) as well as school days, that means apprentices are up to the job as soon as they get their degree. For companies the system offers the opportunity to train their own staff with the qualifications they need and have a say in what they are beeing tought in school. Something that no "cheap" worker abroad can match. It is also usually employer and unions representatives that draft and hold the exams in vocational school. For unions the system offers the opportunity to keep workers jobs safe by ensuring that schools turn out able workers that can demand comparatively high salaries for their skills (yes, workers qualification is a regular topic in wage negotiations). The ministry or the corresponding local governement bodies usually acts as mediator between the two, authors the schoolbooks and set some regulatory framework, but its role is rather that of a supervisor/referee than a player. And yes, that requires quite a bit of long-term investment ( well, sensible investment in education today means having to pay less in unemployment benefits tomorrow. Or crime prevention) . It is also normal that workers are expected to constantly learn, train and re-train to adjust to changes in products, in the workplace or the economy.
                              The system is centuries old while constantly adjusted, and the various parties are used to it. Also to demonstrate a degree of trust , long-term orientation and cooperation ( stakeholder-capitalism again) that would be very difficult to imagine in the US. Not because they are better or smarter people, but because they are used to pursue long-term goals ( Germans take pride in having the most resilient and most stable economy, size ? Not so much. Probably a heritage of coming back from unprecedented devastation just two generations ago )
                              Which is also why in spite of attempts it is very difficult to emulate elsewhere.



                              http://theconversation.com/german-ap...nerships-23210


                              Quote : / A key dynamic is how the German vocational education system is monitored and organised. The concept of corporatism refers to the institutionalised form of collaboration between governmental bodies, employers’ associations, trade unions and others. It describes the dual system as a state-controlled market model of so-called “Rhineland capitalism”. The state sets the guidelines within which social actors have to make their own choices.

                              The delegation of regulatory competence for the training system from the government to corporate intermediaries is another important aspect of this concept of corporatism. Organisations such as local, self-governing chambers of commerce and industry, act as intermediate organisations between the state and companies, putting training laws and regulations into practice.

                              Such intermediate organisations do not exist in the UK. At least, there are no organisations with comparable strength in the system. One result is that policies around vocational training in the UK are largely market based. Whereas in Germany, autonomous bodies and committees are often the initiators of vocational policy. There is an on-going communication between these agencies representing different social groups on the one hand, and government authorities on the other.

                              Organisations such the chambers of commerce or the Federal Institute for Vocational Education are institutionalised as partners. This leads to a more stable system of organisation that can be used as a platform for changes in vocational educational training.
                              A national plan. When it comes to jobs, our economy, the only plan or goal that America has is concentrated on the maximization of profits, and that is all that is important. In anyway that they can get away with. When gov't allowed offshoring to slave labor, with no thought what that would do to American society, that became the plan. We no longer see our economy as the engine that keeps people employed, as to stay off of welfare. But we once did. As we also once saw our industry as a essential national asset, for the sake and health of America. But there was a change in economic philosophy in the 1980s, which moved to what is called neoliberalism today.

                              The change in philosophy has affected the population here in dire ways. It is hard for me to understand why any nation does not structure its economy to provide for jobs, which provides the needed resources so people have sufficient resources since they are essential to all people. We used to view our economy in this manner, which is the sane way to look at an economy. But that changed, when the GOP came back into power and begin to dismantle the economic model that was structured to provide for the population. I remember when the manufacturing sector worked with colleges and trade schools to provide the human resources that these industries needed. Now, with the tremendous loss of manufacturing, and the loss of particular trades and even mechanical engineering, lacking the trade schools that we used to have, it is common now for business to just get someone in on a HB1 visa, instead of trying to find an American to fill that job. It is no secret also that americans have been laid off in particular sectors, and replaced with HB1 visa workers, who are then literally enslaved to one business, and cannot leave and work for another one. It is said that the HB1 visa immigrants have to be paid the prevailing wage, but this is not enforced, and back when Gates was hollering for more tech workers that he needed HB1s to fill, there were tech workers that were here, but he would not hire. Afterall, the only PLAN we have in America is to max out owner profits, and that is done by offshoring, illegal immigrants and HB1 visa immigrants. So, we are not concerned with employing americans, for they all have this unbelievable idea that they should be paid enough to survive on. Yes, American workers are such an entitled lot! They want to be paid a living wage. They sure got the nerve.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                                Education in this country quit being about making productive members of society, a long time ago. Now it is about keeping professors employed, making money for the schools, indoctrinating young skulls full of mush, and growing football teams.
                                Absolutely. If any corporation was as greedy as universities the CEO would be burned at the stake.

                                Endowment funds being held by major universities:
                                • Harvard $36.4 Billion
                                • Princeton $22.7 Billion
                                • MIT $13.5 Billion
                                • Columbia $9.6 Billion
                                • Yale $25.6 Billion
                                • Stanford $22.2 Billion
                                • Northwestern $10.2 Billion
                                • U of Chicago $7.5 Billion
                                • U of Michigan $10.0 Billion
                                • Notre Dame $8.6 Billion
                                For all of you Bernie fans wanting free college for everyone - blaming the 'rich' for not paying their 'fair share' - it is about time you take a good hard look at the highly respected universities, the pillars of righteousness, who are hoarding piles of cash so high it would guilt Bernie Madoff. Think about this for a second. Harvard has 21,000 students and yearly tuition of $45,000. ($945 Million tuition revenue per year) Their endowment fund of $36.4 Billion could pay all student tuition for 38 years. And that is assuming no growth through investment. In reality you would think Harvard would have staff intelligent enough to sustain an average yearly growth of 2.5% on those funds - which is all it would take to make tuition free forever.

                                Instead, these greedy, heartless, elitist universities continue raising tuition year after year. You will never hear criticism from the MSM though - not about their buddies in academia.

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