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  • #91
    Originally posted by msc View Post

    I have another term, but think it would be inappropriate to use on broadcast television.

    And yes. It is never beneficial for an educator to force students to refrain from voicing their understanding of information. What's to learn when you're told, "because I said so". I do remember a history class, where we were only given facts; dates, names and events; to learn, study, memorize and be tested on; but during the class, we discussed and debated, freely asking questions and sharing opinions. We were never told that we were wrong, but were offered the other side of the argument, unless we got a name or date wrong.
    For these liberal educators, and I use the term loosely, there is no other side. It's my way or the highway. They are all for a diversity of opinions as long as they agree with them.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

      For these liberal educators, and I use the term loosely, there is no other side. It's my way or the highway. They are all for a diversity of opinions as long as they agree with them.
      You know, there were plenty of the old time liberals in teaching positions at the University I spent 5 and a half years in attending. Even in courses like economics, for this was before neoliberalism returned with Reagan and more so with Bush and his class of Gilded Age elites. Today, neoliberalism permeates not only economics in academia, but completely in the schools of business. So there has been a significant change in those areas, while political science, history, the arts, sees a lot of liberals, but its modern liberalism, an aberration of the older liberalism, IMO.

      And as you say, the intolerance of this modern liberalism betrays as to what this group is. They are working and operating from an idea from Karl Marx, which has proven itself to be unworkable, and impossible, for it seeks to reengineer human nature which dictates human behavior. And it seeks to reengineer society, by changing the environment, by force of law, into an ideal, which will then change human nature. The environment dictates the quality of the human, and if you change that, you will change people. This was the idea from Marx, on which his economic ideas depended. For what he believed in to work, you had to change human beings. And you can change them by creating an environment that changes the people.

      This has never worked, and can never work for one reason. Human nature which is what makes a human, human, will not change to match its environment, instead, it will corrupt the system put into place to create the environment, and turn it into something else. For there is much more to human behavior than just environment. What we call human nature, is more powerful than logic, rationality, reason. For if we could be logical, rational, reasonable, there would not be a place for political parties, or religions for that matter. There would be one political party and one religion. That is why we should value these things and teach them in school. For logic, rationality, reason, with a moral center, destroys these senseless divisions, like democrat, republican, Christian, Muslim. It would solve so many of the problems humanity has created for itself, because human nature has ruled over rationality, logic, reason, and a basic moral center.

      For these essential things to rule, requires a change in human nature. It is obviously human nature that allows irrationality to rule ahead of rationality. And this is what would have to change, in order for rationality to assume its proper role in human existence. If we ever do reach such a stage, it will be the Golden Age of Humanity, our long needed catalyst that would allow our species to fulfill its destiny. These utopias that have come as fiction from the mind of man, perhaps is a collective unconscious yearning for the impossible to become possible, a utopia created by a being that operated first from rationality, logic reason and a basic moral center and the irrationality of a self serving, selfish being no longer exercised such power over the consciousness of man.
      Last edited by Blue Doggy; 09-04-2016, 04:49 PM.

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      • #93
        This is education in today's America. These are your tax dollars at work.
        VIDEO: San Diego State University Offers Post-Election Healing Circle

        Almost two dozen students at San Diego State University participated in a healing circle in an effort to process confusion and anger over the results of the recent presidential election.

        According to the events organizers, the post-election healing circle was conducted in an effort to develop strategies to stand up to the injustice that some students now fear they will face in Donald Trumps America.
        http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/1...ealing-circle/

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        • #94
          How much do you think it costs to sit in a circle and why does breitbart care as the people involved are already employed by the school so this is costing precisely nothing.
          This is the normal sort of garbage I expect you to get annoyed about all while you've voted in the most thin skinned President in history who doesn't even know how political satire works and asked in a Tweet "when his time is" and went on a rant against a the cast of Hamilton for voicing an opinion he didn't like.

          Welcome President snowflake, he's everything you claim to despise but don't.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
            How much do you think it costs to sit in a circle and why does breitbart care as the people involved are already employed by the school so this is costing precisely nothing.
            This is the normal sort of garbage I expect you to get annoyed about all while you've voted in the most thin skinned President in history who doesn't even know how political satire works and asked in a Tweet "when his time is" and went on a rant against a the cast of Hamilton for voicing an opinion he didn't like.

            Welcome President snowflake, he's everything you claim to despise but don't.
            First, there shouldn't be employees who do this sort of thing. They are a waste of money. Secondly, Trump doesn't sit and cower when he doesn't like something, he speaks out and says what he thinks. Third, he is not the President at this time. As far as his rant against the cast of Hamilton, he was right in defending his Vice President. It was extremely rude of the cast to interrupt the performance to berate the Vice President Elect. They never would have done such a thing to Hillary's Vice President. It was rude to those attending the show also. I would have demanded my money back.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

              First, there shouldn't be employees who do this sort of thing. They are a waste of money. Secondly, Trump doesn't sit and cower when he doesn't like something, he speaks out and says what he thinks. Third, he is not the President at this time. As far as his rant against the cast of Hamilton, he was right in defending his Vice President. It was extremely rude of the cast to interrupt the performance to berate the Vice President Elect. They never would have done such a thing to Hillary's Vice President. It was rude to those attending the show also. I would have demanded my money back.
              So you also obviously don't know how political satire works.
              People take the piss out of political figures and they have to take it Bush did and he got completely hammered by the critics.
              As for the play it was at the curtain call and yes plenty of political leaders have been the brunt of such things and even Pence said he wasn't offended so why is Trump and now you going so bonkers about this given you moan like hell about people who cry foul about having their feelings hurt.

              It's quite funny the sheer hypocrisy of it all.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post

                So you also obviously don't know how political satire works.
                People take the piss out of political figures and they have to take it Bush did and he got completely hammered by the critics.
                As for the play it was at the curtain call and yes plenty of political leaders have been the brunt of such things and even Pence said he wasn't offended so why is Trump and now you going so bonkers about this given you moan like hell about people who cry foul about having their feelings hurt.

                It's quite funny the sheer hypocrisy of it all.
                One of the things I disliked about Bush is that he never fought back. What do you think the libs would do if something like this happened to Obama? They would go berserk. There would be calls for the show to be cancelled as hate speech.

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                  How much do you think it costs to sit in a circle and why does breitbart care as the people involved are already employed by the school so this is costing precisely nothing.
                  Except they are not paid to sit in a circle and sing kum-by-ya, they are paid to prepare students to be productive members of society. Anyone paying for the latter and getting the former should be demanding a refund.
                  Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                  This is the normal sort of garbage I expect you to get annoyed about all while you've voted in the most thin skinned President in history who doesn't even know how political satire works and asked in a Tweet "when his time is" and went on a rant against a the cast of Hamilton for voicing an opinion he didn't like.

                  Welcome President snowflake, he's everything you claim to despise but don't.
                  While I think Pence handled it very well, perhaps better than his boss, the incident inadvertently exposed the fundamental division in the nation today. Lets take a closer look at the lecture in question...

                  Originally posted by Brandon Victor Dixon
                  Vice President-elect Pence, we welcome you and we truly thank your for joining us here at Hamilton.. We, sirweare the diverse America who are alarmed and anxious that your new administration will not protect us, our planet, our children, our parents, or defend us and uphold our inalienable rights. We truly hope that this show has inspired you to uphold our American values and to work on behalf of all of us.
                  Can you see the problem there? One moment he is upholding "diversity", and in the next breath he is denigrating anyone who doesn't believe as he does, and demanding that the new administration enforce his manufactured "rights" upon the rest of the population, blissfully ignorant of the inherent contradiction. The problem is that the values he was demanding be enforced do not represent nearly enough of the country to declare them to be "American".
                  Last edited by Commodore; 11-25-2016, 09:25 PM.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

                    One of the things I disliked about Bush is that he never fought back. What do you think the libs would do if something like this happened to Obama? They would go berserk. There would be calls for the show to be cancelled as hate speech.
                    Brietbart news was one giant anti-Obama organisation. There were protestors who interrupted Obama speeches as well. The tea party protests were mostly peaceful but counter protestors did get harassed in many cases. Then there's the westboro church group, the guy who shot up an abortion clinic, the guy who shot up a Sikh temple, the guy who shot up a black church, the sudden spike in hate crimes against muslims and minorities. I agree, liberals should concede that we lost, but peaceful protests are called for in my opinion.

                    The whole feigned outrage that the other side would say this or that if the tables were reversed or doesn't say something when a clear tragedy happens is what is making political discussion so impossible in the US. We should engage with each other, but do so without name calling and questioning of motives. Liberals are patriotic just as much as conservatives, we just have different opinions on how to run the country.

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                    • Originally posted by .3dontVoteParty View Post

                      Brietbart news was one giant anti-Obama organisation. There were protestors who interrupted Obama speeches as well. The tea party protests were mostly peaceful but counter protestors did get harassed in many cases. Then there's the westboro church group, the guy who shot up an abortion clinic, the guy who shot up a Sikh temple, the guy who shot up a black church, the sudden spike in hate crimes against muslims and minorities. I agree, liberals should concede that we lost, but peaceful protests are called for in my opinion.

                      The whole feigned outrage that the other side would say this or that if the tables were reversed or doesn't say something when a clear tragedy happens is what is making political discussion so impossible in the US. We should engage with each other, but do so without name calling and questioning of motives. Liberals are patriotic just as much as conservatives, we just have different opinions on how to run the country.
                      Is that why libs burn the flag, refuse to fly it at liberal universities, spit on soldiers, etc?

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                      • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

                        Is that why libs burn the flag, refuse to fly it at liberal universities, spit on soldiers, etc?
                        Conservatives shoot up Sikh temples, abortion clinics, and black churches. Burn churches. Hate crimes have spiked against Muslims and minorities. Is that your patriotism? You can't denigrate an entire people because of the actions of a few. I don't burn the flag, I think it should fly at universities, and I've never spit on anyone or been spit on.

                        I've heard reports of conservatives refusing to provide tow truck service to someone with a Bernie Sanders bumper sticker. I've also heard of gay people paying the cheque for homophobic people. I've heard of patriots who don't believe in gay marriage but uphold the law of the land anyway. I've never heard of any liberal praise Stalin or Mao, but I've heard of a certain president elect praise Saddam Hussein and Putin, so I call it out. I'm here to have a discussion with a bunch of uber conservatives and the oddball independent or foreigner. I listen to your arguments, will you listen to mine?

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                        • Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                          How much do you think it costs to sit in a circle and why does breitbart care as the people involved are already employed by the school so this is costing precisely nothing.
                          This is the normal sort of garbage I expect you to get annoyed about all while you've voted in the most thin skinned President in history who doesn't even know how political satire works and asked in a Tweet "when his time is" and went on a rant against a the cast of Hamilton for voicing an opinion he didn't like.

                          Welcome President snowflake, he's everything you claim to despise but don't.
                          Though little finances were spent for this particular therapy session, larger finances were spent for others types. But the Greatest cost is not a financial issue. In this case it's the direction of the therapy. This appears to be led by professors or some type of professionals and they are enhancing the justification of fearing a president Trump. To better serve the students they should be directing the students to get to the root of their irrational fears. Stop the fear, not enhance it.

                          For example: There is nothing to fear for black students. Nothing in Trumps proposals incorporates anything for blacks to fear. Irrational.

                          There are 3 legitimate concerns for people of 3 different groups:
                          1. Gays: It's very possible that Trump will endorse gay marriage being eliminated from federal law and left to the decision of the states. (This is very possible as the law was changed by the overreach of the SCOTUS.)
                          2. Women: It's very possible that Trump will endorse the reversal of Roe V Wade, supporting that the decision is be left up to the states. (With liberal leaning states, the worst case scenario for those who want an abortion is that they may have to travel.) Realistically, Planned Parenthood being defunded and stopping late term abortion is most likely the only thing that may happen anyway.
                          3. *Illegal immigrants: There is no doubt that they have something to fear. Though their fears can be eased by understanding that Trumps attention is on deporting criminal illegals, preventing all coming in illegally when secure the borders, then reassess what to do about the respectable illegals here. No doubt that it will be at least 4 years before their residency is addressed.

                          Schools are sending out a bias message that 62 million + people in the US are bad people that elected a bad person to lead the country. As if the United States was taken over forcibly by an oppressive regime. As if the 62 million + that voted for Trump are not Americans. Colleges are insinuating that Trumps election was a bad day for the United States with legitimate reason for all to be in morning. This is an insult to our democracy and an insult to the 62 million + Americans that are good hard working people that used the electoral process as intended to try and secure a better future and life for themselves and their families. This mind manipulation is inappropriate especially coming from our education system. Creating a structure that values the fears of only one mindset, devalues the respectability of the other mindset. The education system should be teaching our students to examine all thought process. Examine all reasoning. Examine all problems and possible solutions. Examine the up side and the down side of all issues.

                          A whining session educates no one. It only adds fuel to thoughts of hatred and fear and further divides the citizens of the US. Propaganda is what it is.
                          Last edited by msc; 11-27-2016, 07:18 AM.

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                          • Originally posted by .3dontVoteParty View Post

                            Conservatives shoot up Sikh temples, abortion clinics, and black churches. Burn churches. Hate crimes have spiked against Muslims and minorities. Is that your patriotism? You can't denigrate an entire people because of the actions of a few. I don't burn the flag, I think it should fly at universities, and I've never spit on anyone or been spit on.

                            I've heard reports of conservatives refusing to provide tow truck service to someone with a Bernie Sanders bumper sticker. I've also heard of gay people paying the cheque for homophobic people. I've heard of patriots who don't believe in gay marriage but uphold the law of the land anyway. I've never heard of any liberal praise Stalin or Mao, but I've heard of a certain president elect praise Saddam Hussein and Putin, so I call it out. I'm here to have a discussion with a bunch of uber conservatives and the oddball independent or foreigner. I listen to your arguments, will you listen to mine?
                            What does shooting up a temple or burning a church or refusing tow truck service have to do with patriotism? And there are lots of Libs who praise Stalin, Mao, Che, and Castro. Again, that has nothing to do with patriotism or love of your country. Liberals like the Obama's just don't like this country at all and thus want to fundamentally change it.

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                            • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

                              What does shooting up a temple or burning a church or refusing tow truck service have to do with patriotism? And there are lots of Libs who praise Stalin, Mao, Che, and Castro. Again, that has nothing to do with patriotism or love of your country. Liberals like the Obama's just don't like this country at all and thus want to fundamentally change it.
                              Absolute garbage.
                              As has been stated liberals can be and are as patriotic as conservatives and the fact that you even argue that simple point shows just how out of touch you are with reality and how blinded you are by partisan hate. Then again I'm not surprised as anyone who's bothered to read your posts in the pictures topic can see just how much you hate liberals.
                              You can try and claim you don't but your entire post history says otherwise.

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                              • Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post

                                Absolute garbage.
                                As has been stated liberals can be and are as patriotic as conservatives and the fact that you even argue that simple point shows just how out of touch you are with reality and how blinded you are by partisan hate. Then again I'm not surprised as anyone who's bothered to read your posts in the pictures topic can see just how much you hate liberals.
                                You can try and claim you don't but your entire post history says otherwise.
                                Again, for the umpteenth time, I don't hate liberals. I just don't think they appreciate what they have in this country and are always whining about it. They always want everyone to get together and take something from someone else and give it to them so they can be happy.

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