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  • All for 3%

    We as a people have been asked to flip 5,000 years of cultural tradition on it's head for... wait for it... 3% of the population

    Less than 3 percent of the U.S. population identify themselves as gay, lesbian or bisexual, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported Tuesday in the first large-scale government survey measuring Americans sexual orientation.

    The National Health Interview Survey, which is the governments premier tool for annually assessing Americans health and behaviors, found that 1.6 percent of adults self-identify as gay or lesbian, and 0.7 percent consider themselves bisexual.

    The overwhelming majority of adults, 96.6 percent, labeled themselves as straight in the 2013 survey. An additional 1.1 percent declined to answer, responded I dont know the answer or said they were something else.
    Well okay... 1.6% actually.

    Far, far lower than the 10-15% numbers that usually are used by some folks around here.




    http://www.washingtonpost.com/nation...f8f_story.html

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    Re: All for 3%

    Well, by all means we should treat them as a minority then... keep em down, appeal to government to help.

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    • #3
      Re: All for 3%

      Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
      Well, by all means we should treat them as a minority then... keep em down, appeal to government to help.
      No, we should give them special rights we give no one else.

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      • #4
        Re: All for 3%

        Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
        No, we should give them special rights we give no one else.
        What special rights?

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        • #5
          Re: All for 3%

          Originally posted by tsquare View Post
          We as a people have been asked to flip 5,000 years of cultural tradition on it's head for... wait for it... 3% of the population
          I think the flip-side of that assertion is something like "We're totally freakin' out about the destruction of our culture in response to...wait for it...3% of the population."

          Anyway, I'm not sure how 5,000 years of tradition are being "flipped on it's head." Men and women have been getting married to each other for thousands of years...and they're STILL getting married to each other. No one wants to change that long-standing tradition, though some want to expand it.

          I've long been mystified by claims that traditional (i.e. heterosexual) marriage was somehow threatened by, and thus had to be "defended" from, gay marriage.

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          • #6
            Re: All for 3%

            Originally posted by Dilettante View Post
            I think the flip-side of that assertion is something like "We're totally freakin' out about the destruction of our culture in response to...wait for it...3% of the population."

            Anyway, I'm not sure how 5,000 years of tradition are being "flipped on it's head." Men and women have been getting married to each other for thousands of years...and they're STILL getting married to each other. No one wants to change that long-standing tradition, though some want to expand it.

            I've long been mystified by claims that traditional (i.e. heterosexual) marriage was somehow threatened by, and thus had to be "defended" from, gay marriage.
            I have not been mystified at all since traditional marriage is NOT threatened by homosexual marriage.

            Homosexuality, like all other behaviors that detract from our relationship with God, is sin. There is no "accepting" that, there is no arguing (or, as in most cases, SHOUTING) that away. Sin is sin.

            There is a portion of our society who wants this country to ratify their sinful behavioral choices (note, the temptation towards sin ... or in this case, homosexuality ... is not sin, but indulging the behavior is) as acceptable and "normal" and I believe that eats away at the morality of our culture. And not just homosexuality, but all subgroups of Americans who have their special "sin" and want it ratified (in other words, want everyone else to stop criticizing them for it ... EVEN when few, or none, really ARE criticizing them) as acceptable and normal.

            I also do not want to accept adultery, or pedophilia, or bestiality, or any sin as "normal."

            So, from my perspective, maybe not "5000 years" but a lot of how Americans do things IS getting flipped on its head because a portion of that 3% wants to claim the term "marriage."

            Things like Governor Moonbeam signing the law that eradicates the terms "Wife" and "husband" from the California family code and inserts in its place "spouse."
            OR the Attorney General of California refusing to do his job defending the will of the people in Proposition 8: he and the governor effectively deciding which laws they WILL follow and which they will not.

            Others might view these as disparate and isolated examples, but I see a strong connection between these events (and more, besides) and the drive of a portion of the 3% who want homosexual marriage.

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            • #7
              Re: All for 3%

              Originally posted by Good1 View Post
              I have not been mystified at all since traditional marriage is NOT threatened by homosexual marriage.

              Homosexuality, like all other behaviors that detract from our relationship with God, is sin. There is no "accepting" that, there is no arguing (or, as in most cases, SHOUTING) that away. Sin is sin.

              There is a portion of our society who wants this country to ratify their sinful behavioral choices (note, the temptation towards sin ... or in this case, homosexuality ... is not sin, but indulging the behavior is) as acceptable and "normal" and I believe that eats away at the morality of our culture. And not just homosexuality, but all subgroups of Americans who have their special "sin" and want it ratified (in other words, want everyone else to stop criticizing them for it ... EVEN when few, or none, really ARE criticizing them) as acceptable and normal.

              I also do not want to accept adultery, or pedophilia, or bestiality, or any sin as "normal."

              So, from my perspective, maybe not "5000 years" but a lot of how Americans do things IS getting flipped on its head because a portion of that 3% wants to claim the term "marriage."
              Like what, though? I can't really think of anything that I do which is being "flipped on its head" (or prevented or interfered with) by the legality of gay marriage. Not one thing. And I don't think I'm unique in this regard, which is why I think this is a poor argument against gay marriage. Perhaps a new tradition is being created, but the old ones doesn't seem to be altered or threatened.

              As to adultery, pedophilia...etc. Would you add drunkenness, lying, divorce, taking God's name in vain, and disrespecting your parents to that list? They are, by the same reasoning, equally sinful. And, admittedly, I'm loath to accept them as "normal"...but I'd also be loath to make them illegal.

              "It's a sin" is plain and simply not a good enough reason to make something illegal. Putting aside the obvious Constitutional violations inherent in such a policy, it would create a Puritanical (in the worst sense of the word) and authoritarian society rife with lawlessness, oppression, and chaos.

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              • #8
                Re: All for 3%

                I can't see how it is some sort of sin. It's a freak of nature, as these people are born, not cultivated. If you are born with 6 fingers, that too is a freak of nature, and I view homosexuality in that manner.

                I have never read Christ utter one word about it, and homosexuality isn't one of the laws in the 10 commandments either.

                Sin involves hurting another human, in your pursuit of pleasure. Who is getting hurt when two homos do their thing?

                Sin always hurts another person directly, which is the real reason it is a sin.

                I guess god perhaps gets off on creating a homosexual and then sending him to hell when he does what is a natural act for him. Since this seems rather silly, to even think such a god exists, one should be wary of those that do. But the world is full of silly things. I don't think god picks on homos. By pulling a dirty trick on them.

                Of course, it is a good thing that all humans are not strict homosexuals. For if so, we wouldn't be here today talking about this.

                The only bad thing I can say about homosexuals is that they are incoherent in regards to reproduction, which might make them a mental freak, but that's about it. And it isn't the way that the majority in nature behave, so a freak. But this doesn't make them bad people, they just came here being attracted to the wrong sex for life to continue on.

                We should just leave these people alone, stop talking about them, and perhaps if we did, we would see an end to these exhibitionists in these vulgar gay pride parades. I can't think of a single reason to be proud of being born a reproductive misfit. They should just accept their freakiness, as we should accept it, and get on with this show. And stop giving them the attention that obviously they crave so deeply.

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                • #9
                  Re: All for 3%

                  Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
                  Well, by all means we should treat them as a minority then... keep em down, appeal to government to help.
                  If you're talking about prohibition of marriage then you're correct. If you're talking about a bakery not wanting to make a cake for a homosexual wedding and being allowed to make that decision, you're making a strawman.

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                  • #10
                    Re: All for 3%

                    Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                    I have never read Christ utter one word about it, and homosexuality isn't one of the laws in the 10 commandments either.
                    No, Christ did not speak about many things but this topic was covered by His apostles. Also, you do know there are way more laws than the 10 commandments, right?

                    Sin involves hurting another human, in your pursuit of pleasure.
                    Sin is anything that falls outside of the will of God, not whether another human is measurably hurt.

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                    • #11
                      Re: All for 3%

                      Originally posted by Good1 View Post
                      I have not been mystified at all since traditional marriage is NOT threatened by homosexual marriage.

                      Homosexuality, like all other behaviors that detract from our relationship with God, is sin. There is no "accepting" that, there is no arguing (or, as in most cases, SHOUTING) that away. Sin is sin.

                      There is a portion of our society who wants this country to ratify their sinful behavioral choices (note, the temptation towards sin ... or in this case, homosexuality ... is not sin, but indulging the behavior is) as acceptable and "normal" and I believe that eats away at the morality of our culture. And not just homosexuality, but all subgroups of Americans who have their special "sin" and want it ratified (in other words, want everyone else to stop criticizing them for it ... EVEN when few, or none, really ARE criticizing them) as acceptable and normal.

                      I also do not want to accept adultery, or pedophilia, or bestiality, or any sin as "normal."

                      So, from my perspective, maybe not "5000 years" but a lot of how Americans do things IS getting flipped on its head because a portion of that 3% wants to claim the term "marriage."

                      Things like Governor Moonbeam signing the law that eradicates the terms "Wife" and "husband" from the California family code and inserts in its place "spouse."
                      OR the Attorney General of California refusing to do his job defending the will of the people in Proposition 8: he and the governor effectively deciding which laws they WILL follow and which they will not.

                      Others might view these as disparate and isolated examples, but I see a strong connection between these events (and more, besides) and the drive of a portion of the 3% who want homosexual marriage.
                      Hateful speaking is a sin but we have the 1st Amendment.
                      Being drunk is a sin but we have the 21st Amendment.
                      Going to a KKK meeting but we have the 1st Amendment.
                      Ect.

                      There are tons of sins that are legal.

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                      • #12
                        Re: All for 3%

                        Originally posted by fishjoel View Post
                        No, Christ did not speak about many things but this topic was covered by His apostles. Also, you do know there are way more laws than the 10 commandments, right?



                        Sin is anything that falls outside of the will of God, not whether another human is measurably hurt.
                        Wasn't it the self proclaimed apostle Paul, who talked about it? I think Paul was a liar, and corrupted what Christ actually came here to do. Which was to tell man how to get into the kingdom, and that those that follow him would also be sons of god.

                        So in short, if Christ, who was Complete, didn't teach us something, then ignore what other men taught. Afterall, if Christ was god, he would have been sure to give us everything that we needed. It was man who turned him into a magic blood sacrifice. And corrupted the message.

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                        • #13
                          Re: All for 3%

                          Originally posted by fishjoel View Post
                          Hateful speaking is a sin but we have the 1st Amendment.
                          Being drunk is a sin but we have the 21st Amendment.
                          Going to a KKK meeting but we have the 1st Amendment.
                          Ect.

                          There are tons of sins that are legal.
                          And if those sins were illegal, we would live like the muslims live, in a theocracy, with the religious leaders running the show. Judge, jury and excecutioner, all rolled into one.

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                          • #14
                            Re: All for 3%

                            Originally posted by fishjoel View Post
                            Hateful speaking is a sin but we have the 1st Amendment.
                            Being drunk is a sin but we have the 21st Amendment.
                            Going to a KKK meeting but we have the 1st Amendment.
                            Ect.

                            There are tons of sins that are legal.
                            I'm not sure the existence of those "sins" stipulates either that they SHOULD have been codified or that codifying them makes them any less sin.

                            Neither am I sure those codified sins leave the barn door open to get any others codified...

                            Do you?

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                            • #15
                              Re: All for 3%

                              Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                              Wasn't it the self proclaimed apostle Paul, who talked about it? I think Paul was a liar, and corrupted what Christ actually came here to do. Which was to tell man how to get into the kingdom, and that those that follow him would also be sons of god.

                              So in short, if Christ, who was Complete, didn't teach us something, then ignore what other men taught.
                              Afterall, if Christ was god, he would have been sure to give us everything that we needed. It was man who turned him into a magic blood sacrifice. And corrupted the message.
                              He did.

                              Amongst which was the Bible... for which you have proclaimed you have no need.

                              your choice ... but hoping you have something of equal weight and import with which to replace it. So far, you've shown you have nothing but a fertile imagination.

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