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  • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

    Christians and non-Christians alike are against the murder we call "abortion" or a "womans right". Nothing "lunatic fringe" about them.

    It is YOU that is part of a "lunatic fringe," "loud and obnoxious" & "wacko."

    What ? Was this gay, freak-boy coffee shop owner decent and civilized ?
    Probably not, but if Christians were smart and we know they are not just out of self interest they would encourage gay monogamy. It would cut down on the spread of Aids, but they would rather have their gay son commit suicide then deal with the embarrassment of having a gay child. After prayer has failed to drive the gay away. What is left? We wouldn't want a good Christian to compromise their values to support a son. Shotgun in the mouth is the only solution.

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    • Originally posted by redrover View Post
      Probably not, but if Christians were smart and we know they are not just out of self interest they would encourage gay monogamy. It would cut down on the spread of Aids, ...
      Odd that 'gay monogamy' is so rare and/or short-lasting though isn't it ?

      "Gay" doesn't seem to even be compatible with "monogamy."

      The following, from a gay publication known as "The Advocate."

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      How do queer men navigate an institution not designed for them? Therapist Michael Dale Kimmel offers clues in his new book, The Gay Mans Guide to Open and Monogamous Marriage.

      As two men considering getting married, we no longer have to do it that way. This is a cause for rejoicing! This is real freedom! So why arent we more excited about this? Because this kind of freedom isnt easy. Its quite daunting to invent or re-invent a cultural institution thats been around longer than anyone alive can remember. Its so much easier to just follow what straight people have been doing and maybe modify it a little bit, tweak it just a tad.

      This is certainly an option. But, given the power of our community to create and invent our own norms and institutions, why would we settle for that?

      Marriage between two men is in my experience as a psychotherapist dramatically different than heterosexual marriage. Its a double testosterone marriage. With all that testosterone, sex is probably going to be handled quite differently for us than for some straight couples or even for some lesbian couples.

      Lets be clear, Im not saying that we are helpless victims of our libidos. Instead, we can be intelligent, aware creators of a new kind of marriage that acknowledges that two men together have unique gifts (and challenges) that other kinds of couples dont. Be prepared to rethink everything youve been told about marriage. The bottom line here is: Finally. we get to do it our way.

      Many of our relationships start off monogamous. However, because sex is so important to a lot of us, it is my experience that about half of our relationships over time are not 100% monogamous. Whether married or not, many gay relationships begin to open up after the first few years. In the book, well follow two couples as they explore how to handle the desire for sex outside their marriages.

      ....

      Ive had clients tell me that, shortly after they got married, their friends began to ask them questions like, So, are you really going to be faithful to (husbands name)? and Everyone starts out monogamous at the beginning, but how do you pull that off when everyone around you wants to have sex with you?

      One client even told me, Now that Im married, so many more guys are hitting on me at the gym. I guess now that Im not available, Im a lot more desirable.

      ...

      Same-sex marriage has been a long time coming a few thousand years or so and now that its finally here, many gay, bisexual and transgender men may think that its a bad idea to rock the boat by discussing the kinds of ideas that this book presents.

      ...

      https://www.advocate.com/books/2017/...-relationships


      Originally posted by redrover View Post
      ...but they would rather have their gay son commit suicide then deal with the embarrassment of having a gay child. After prayer has failed to drive the gay away. What is left? We wouldn't want a good Christian to compromise their values to support a son. Shotgun in the mouth is the only solution.
      That you say the following about Christians;

      "..but they would rather have their gay son commit suicide then deal with the embarrassment of having a gay child."

      and

      "After prayer has failed to drive the gay away. What is left? We wouldn't want a good Christian to compromise their values to support a son. Shotgun in the mouth is the only solution."

      Shows your ignorance of Christianity. I'll forgive it, only because so many Christians are in that same boat LOL

      Sad but true.

      Christians are people prone to screw ups too you see. Because of that doesn't give liberals OR gay advocates a right to be nasty to them. Christians want to be treated with civility as much as gay people do.

      So, when a gay coffee shop owner acts like an ass and yells foulness at some Christians, he's not helping anyone's cause, especially not his own !

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      • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

        And you won't see the ACLU taking up their case against the coffee shop owner.
        What are you going to do stop donating to the ACLU?.If God had any real power he would be able to handle this gay issue by himself without an assist from record clerks and bakers. My guess is that God will continue to evolve and very soon he will be OK with homosexuality. Of course the old farts will never soften. God grows too fast for them to keep pace.

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        • Originally posted by redrover View Post
          What are you going to do stop donating to the ACLU?.If God had any real power he would be able to handle this gay issue by himself without an assist from record clerks and bakers. My guess is that God will continue to evolve and very soon he will be OK with homosexuality. Of course the old farts will never soften. God grows too fast for them to keep pace.
          You're not the only one that thinks God will "grow" according to his or her wishes. "Grow" into accepting what men and women say and think.

          What a God ! This God conforms to what we humans want !! Which is pretty cool really ! After-all, we humans are always "wanting" something different, depending on our culture, current events etc.

          This God WE lead and command ! Can't beat that.

          We even have Christian people of faith, a Methodist Bishop, explaining how this works !!

          A LESBIAN Methodist Bishop !! Can you imagine that ???? God can !! According to our lesbian bishop. . who says Jesus was a "bigot" and "grew past it";

          "If Jesus can change, if he can give up his bigotries and prejudices, if he can realize that he had made his life too small, and if, in this realization, he grew closer to others and closer to God, than so can we."

          Listen up.....

          -----------------------------------------------------------

          United Methodist Bishop Dr. Karen Oliveto is an out, loud, and proud, non-celibate lesbian, and she also thinks Jesus was an out-and-out bigot.

          But she praises Him, if you can believe it, for outgrowing His bigotry and prejudice, and showing us that we too can change:

          "If Jesus can change, if he can give up his bigotries and prejudices, if he can realize that he had made his life too small, and if, in this realization, he grew closer to others and closer to God, than so can we."


          [ Jesus "Outgrew his 'bigotry' & 'prejudice' and so can WE!" ]

          ...............

          Jesus wasn't a know-it-all, he was also learning God's will like any human being and finally he changed his mind...If Jesus...could grow into new and deeper understanding through an openness to God's people, maybe if Jesus could change his mind then maybe so can we."

          [ Jesus wasn't a " Know-it-all!" ]

          Ms. Oliveto refers to this as a "conversion" on Jesus' part, as if He needed repentance and salvation Himself. According to her, He was someone who learned that "bigotry and oppression...keeps all of us from being whole."

          https://www.onenewsnow.com/perspecti...us-was-a-bigot

          -----------------------------------------------------------

          This Jesus, this God, this woman has invented . . . should sound great for you ! They "mature" and "grow" according to your feelings, wants and even current definitions ! Is that a convenient God & Jesus, or what ???

          I'll bet they're so easy going, you don't even have to believe in them and they'll still love, accept you and even give you an eternal after-life !

          Hows that for a great deal !!! You can't pass it up, better go for it !!!

          Sorry if I'm coming across like a used-car salesman, but this really is a great deal !!

          .... yeah

          ?


          • Originally posted by redrover View Post

            What are you going to do stop donating to the ACLU?.If God had any real power he would be able to handle this gay issue by himself without an assist from record clerks and bakers. My guess is that God will continue to evolve and very soon he will be OK with homosexuality. Of course the old farts will never soften. God grows too fast for them to keep pace.
            God nuked a couple of cities over homosexuality, and he still kills them off by the thousands with diseases like AIDS , anal cancer, etc. I don't think he's changed his mind much about sodomites.

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            • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

              You're not the only one that thinks God will "grow" according to his or her wishes. "Grow" into accepting what men and women say and think.

              What a God ! This God conforms to what we humans want !! Which is pretty cool really ! After-all, we humans are always "wanting" something different, depending on our culture, current events etc.

              This God WE lead and command ! Can't beat that.

              We even have Christian people of faith, a Methodist Bishop, explaining how this works !!

              A LESBIAN Methodist Bishop !! Can you imagine that ???? God can !! According to our lesbian bishop. . who says Jesus was a "bigot" and "grew past it";

              "If Jesus can change, if he can give up his bigotries and prejudices, if he can realize that he had made his life too small, and if, in this realization, he grew closer to others and closer to God, than so can we."

              Listen up.....

              -----------------------------------------------------------

              United Methodist Bishop Dr. Karen Oliveto is an out, loud, and proud, non-celibate lesbian, and she also thinks Jesus was an out-and-out bigot.

              But she praises Him, if you can believe it, for outgrowing His bigotry and prejudice, and showing us that we too can change:

              "If Jesus can change, if he can give up his bigotries and prejudices, if he can realize that he had made his life too small, and if, in this realization, he grew closer to others and closer to God, than so can we."


              [ Jesus "Outgrew his 'bigotry' & 'prejudice' and so can WE!" ]

              ...............

              Jesus wasn't a know-it-all, he was also learning God's will like any human being and finally he changed his mind...If Jesus...could grow into new and deeper understanding through an openness to God's people, maybe if Jesus could change his mind then maybe so can we."

              [ Jesus wasn't a " Know-it-all!" ]

              Ms. Oliveto refers to this as a "conversion" on Jesus' part, as if He needed repentance and salvation Himself. According to her, He was someone who learned that "bigotry and oppression...keeps all of us from being whole."

              https://www.onenewsnow.com/perspecti...us-was-a-bigot

              -----------------------------------------------------------

              This Jesus, this God, this woman has invented . . . should sound great for you ! They "mature" and "grow" according to your feelings, wants and even current definitions ! Is that a convenient God & Jesus, or what ???

              I'll bet they're so easy going, you don't even have to believe in them and they'll still love, accept you and even give you an eternal after-life !

              Hows that for a great deal !!! You can't pass it up, better go for it !!!

              Sorry if I'm coming across like a used-car salesman, but this really is a great deal !!

              .... yeah
              The truth is nobody knows enough about Jesus to know if he was a bigot. From what I have learned recently. Jesus never said much of the stuff attributed to him. Early Christians were in competition with other regional religions For example Osiris promised a blissful afterlife, people liked that so Christians pivoted away from the Coming of the Kingdom of A God coming back to earth. They were smart enough to realize that people after decades of waiting for dem bones to rise again were growing impatient. If we are going to stay in the game we better give people what they wanted. Right now 63% of Americans believe that homosexuality is morally acceptable. In other words if you don't want Christianity to become a marginalized cult you better start adapting.

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              • Originally posted by redrover View Post
                The truth is nobody knows enough about Jesus to know if he was a bigot. From what I have learned recently. Jesus never said much of the stuff attributed to him. Early Christians were in competition with other regional religions For example Osiris promised a blissful afterlife, people liked that so Christians pivoted away from the Coming of the Kingdom of A God coming back to earth. They were smart enough to realize that people after decades of waiting for dem bones to rise again were growing impatient. If we are going to stay in the game we better give people what they wanted. Right now 63% of Americans believe that homosexuality is morally acceptable. In other words if you don't want Christianity to become a marginalized cult you better start adapting.
                Great, thank you for the information, it's important !

                I have a feeling we're adapting, as I pointed out here - https://www.uspoliticsonline.com/for...970#post545970

                People like yourself and our lesbian ministerBishopthing (cited in post # 245 above) will surely be a great help for that !

                That is your hope at least.... you/we wouldn't want Christianity to become a marginalized "cult" after-all.

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                • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                  Great, thank you for the information, it's important !

                  I have a feeling we're adapting, as I pointed out here - https://www.uspoliticsonline.com/for...970#post545970

                  People like yourself and our lesbian ministerBishopthing (cited in post # 245 above) will surely be a great help for that !

                  That is your hope at least.... you/we wouldn't want Christianity to become a marginalized "cult" after-all.
                  check out these stats on the % of people who believe in god. The future looks beak for the god squad.http://www.pewforum.org/religious-la...-distribution/

                  ?


                  • Originally posted by redrover View Post
                    check out these stats on the % of people who believe in god. The future looks beak for the god squad.http://www.pewforum.org/religious-la...-distribution/
                    Ah, yes of course. Great info. from the pugh or is it peeyuuuuu ! ? 'research center.'

                    Sounds like - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEaL57GJy1Q . . . . I believe !! You'll enjoy this song

                    So says a great old crazy metal band, you and the pew research center -winks-

                    ?


                    • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                      check out these stats on the % of people who believe in god. The future looks beak for the god squad.http://www.pewforum.org/religious-la...-distribution/
                      Many are called, few are chosen.

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                      • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

                        Many are called, few are chosen.
                        It looks like I'll have lots of company in hell. along with all the Christians who also happen to be homosexuals.

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                        • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                          It looks like I'll have lots of company in hell. along with all the Christians who also happen to be homosexuals.
                          You just might.

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                          • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                            It looks like I'll have lots of company in hell. along with all the Christians who also happen to be homosexuals.
                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJgv-qBBT3Y

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                            • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
                              Good one. Love that Christian rock.

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                              • Originally posted by redrover View Post
                                Good one. Love that Christian rock.
                                For some reason, I'm not surprised that you'd confuse Grim Reapers "See you in Hell" as Christian rock.

                                But let's get back on subject.

                                Some facts about one of our newest accepted perversions, a thing that we're now constantly being told is "normal."

                                It isn't normal or healthy and to believe so, one must close their eyes to reality.

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                                Former transgender: It's insane to ignore mental illness

                                The same Cambridge study reported that one-quarter of the homosexuals surveyed admitted they attempted suicide and 60 percent of them reported they self-harm themselves, too.

                                ....the medical community is rushing transgenders into a life-altering surgery without treating the underlying causes.

                                "Sixty to seventy percent of them," he says of transgenders, "are suffering from undiagnosed and untreated comorbid disorders such as bipolar disorder, dissociative disorder, body dismorphic disorder, even schizophrenia."

                                OneNewsNow and other media outlets have pointed out the American Psychological Association, under pressure from homosexual activists, changed transgenderism from "gender identity disorder" to the much milder term "gender dysphoria" in 2013.

                                Homosexual activists were unhappy even with the new term but the APA - which similarly dropped homosexuality as a mental illness 40 years ago - refused to drop the term entirely, citing the need for transgenders to receive medical care.

                                ....a former transgender says they need help, not affirmation.

                                OneNewsNow turned to Walt Heyer, who transitioned from male to female in his 40s before reverting back, after research from the University of Cambridge reports that 96 percent of transgender youth harm themselves, including cutting and suicide attempts.

                                Approximately 400 Scottish students were surveyed for the study, which showed that 40 percent of trans youth have attempted suicide. That number mirrors figures cited by the trans community in the United States.

                                The alarming numbers are not new, says Heyer, who now speaks and writes about the transgender issue at age 74 after living as "Laura" for eight years.

                                Heyer has stated his struggles began at the age of five when his grandmother began dressing him in female clothes and a relative began sexually abusing him shortly thereafter.

                                "They did a study conducted with a university in the U.K. that studied 100 different research articles on regret and de-transition," Heyer recalls, "and found that people suffered a great deal after having reassignment surgery."


                                https://www.onenewsnow.com/science-t...mental-illness

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