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  • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

    For some reason, I'm not surprised that you'd confuse Grim Reapers "See you in Hell" as Christian rock.

    But let's get back on subject.

    Some facts about one of our newest accepted perversions, a thing that we're now constantly being told is "normal."

    It isn't normal or healthy and to believe so, one must close their eyes to reality.

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    Former transgender: It's insane to ignore mental illness

    The same Cambridge study reported that one-quarter of the homosexuals surveyed admitted they attempted suicide and 60 percent of them reported they self-harm themselves, too.

    ....the medical community is rushing transgenders into a life-altering surgery without treating the underlying causes.

    "Sixty to seventy percent of them," he says of transgenders, "are suffering from undiagnosed and untreated comorbid disorders such as bipolar disorder, dissociative disorder, body dismorphic disorder, even schizophrenia."

    OneNewsNow and other media outlets have pointed out the American Psychological Association, under pressure from homosexual activists, changed transgenderism from "gender identity disorder" to the much milder term "gender dysphoria" in 2013.

    Homosexual activists were unhappy even with the new term but the APA - which similarly dropped homosexuality as a mental illness 40 years ago - refused to drop the term entirely, citing the need for transgenders to receive medical care.

    ....a former transgender says they need help, not affirmation.

    OneNewsNow turned to Walt Heyer, who transitioned from male to female in his 40s before reverting back, after research from the University of Cambridge reports that 96 percent of transgender youth harm themselves, including cutting and suicide attempts.

    Approximately 400 Scottish students were surveyed for the study, which showed that 40 percent of trans youth have attempted suicide. That number mirrors figures cited by the trans community in the United States.

    The alarming numbers are not new, says Heyer, who now speaks and writes about the transgender issue at age 74 after living as "Laura" for eight years.

    Heyer has stated his struggles began at the age of five when his grandmother began dressing him in female clothes and a relative began sexually abusing him shortly thereafter.

    "They did a study conducted with a university in the U.K. that studied 100 different research articles on regret and de-transition," Heyer recalls, "and found that people suffered a great deal after having reassignment surgery."


    https://www.onenewsnow.com/science-t...mental-illness
    Isn't enough that you are consigning them to hell can't you leave them alone if they are not hurting you. Even if we accept your supposition that homosexuality is mental illness are then to believe discrimination against the mentally ill is OK. Of course it is you are republicans..

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    • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

      For some reason, I'm not surprised that you'd confuse Grim Reapers "See you in Hell" as Christian rock.

      But let's get back on subject.

      Some facts about one of our newest accepted perversions, a thing that we're now constantly being told is "normal."

      It isn't normal or healthy and to believe so, one must close their eyes to reality.

      ----------------------------------------------

      Former transgender: It's insane to ignore mental illness

      The same Cambridge study reported that one-quarter of the homosexuals surveyed admitted they attempted suicide and 60 percent of them reported they self-harm themselves, too.

      ....the medical community is rushing transgenders into a life-altering surgery without treating the underlying causes.

      "Sixty to seventy percent of them," he says of transgenders, "are suffering from undiagnosed and untreated comorbid disorders such as bipolar disorder, dissociative disorder, body dismorphic disorder, even schizophrenia."

      OneNewsNow and other media outlets have pointed out the American Psychological Association, under pressure from homosexual activists, changed transgenderism from "gender identity disorder" to the much milder term "gender dysphoria" in 2013.

      Homosexual activists were unhappy even with the new term but the APA - which similarly dropped homosexuality as a mental illness 40 years ago - refused to drop the term entirely, citing the need for transgenders to receive medical care.

      ....a former transgender says they need help, not affirmation.

      OneNewsNow turned to Walt Heyer, who transitioned from male to female in his 40s before reverting back, after research from the University of Cambridge reports that 96 percent of transgender youth harm themselves, including cutting and suicide attempts.

      Approximately 400 Scottish students were surveyed for the study, which showed that 40 percent of trans youth have attempted suicide. That number mirrors figures cited by the trans community in the United States.

      The alarming numbers are not new, says Heyer, who now speaks and writes about the transgender issue at age 74 after living as "Laura" for eight years.

      Heyer has stated his struggles began at the age of five when his grandmother began dressing him in female clothes and a relative began sexually abusing him shortly thereafter.

      "They did a study conducted with a university in the U.K. that studied 100 different research articles on regret and de-transition," Heyer recalls, "and found that people suffered a great deal after having reassignment surgery."


      https://www.onenewsnow.com/science-t...mental-illness
      This transgender epidemic is just more idiocy foisted on us by the nutbars on the left who have a scary amount of influence because they are firmly embedded in the education system and the media.

      The Tragic Transgender Contagion Anguished parents note that entire peer groups seem determined to transition together. When thinking about transgender issues, you can choose to believe either the Lefts comforting lie or the messy and sometimes quite sad and scary truth. Heres the comforting lie: that there are a certain class of people who live in a state of emotional distress because their sex assigned at birth conflicts with their gender identity. For these people it is the height of cruelty to ask them to live according to their assigned sex. So, when even children demonstrate the allegedly objective criteria of consistence, insistence, and persistence, then they can and often should begin the process of transitioning to a new gender. Its all science, you see. And denying that science not only makes you a Neanderthal, it makes you a bigot. According to this lie, parents should rejoice when their children finally identify as transgender. After all, its the first step to becoming their true selves. According to this lie, there is nothing to fear except discrimination itself. Once individuals embrace their true identity, only intolerance can destroy their lives. Thus the fury at dissenters. Thus the academic censorship. Because of high suicide rates in transgender populations, endorsing ideological conformity becomes a matter of life and death. The truth, however, is stubborn. Human experience simply doesnt conform to ideological models, and the far worse damage is done when we try to impose radical ideology onto the complexities of individual, troubled lives. In reality, people are far more vulnerable to suggestion and fashion than the Left lets on. Rather than affirming an immutable identity, our culture is ratifying and rendering permanent what often amounts to little more than a troubled youthful phase one that is subject to all the whims of fashion that mark any other cultural trend.

      Lets be clear: The vast majority of kids who experience a period of discomfort with their biological sexual identity eventually desist. Indeed, the number may well be over 90 percent. In other words, kids who are growing and learning about life and themselves sometimes endure a period of confusion. This should shock exactly no one. What is shocking, however, is the insistence that this period of confusion should be treated as a period of confirmation and that medical intervention is the logical and tolerant next course.

      Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...rs-ignore-them

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      • Originally posted by Brexx View Post

        This transgender epidemic is just more idiocy foisted on us by the nutbars on the left who have a scary amount of influence because they are firmly embedded in the education system and the media.

        The Tragic Transgender Contagion Anguished parents note that entire peer groups seem determined to transition together. When thinking about transgender issues, you can choose to believe either the Lefts comforting lie or the messy and sometimes quite sad and scary truth. Heres the comforting lie: that there are a certain class of people who live in a state of emotional distress because their sex assigned at birth conflicts with their gender identity. For these people it is the height of cruelty to ask them to live according to their assigned sex. So, when even children demonstrate the allegedly objective criteria of consistence, insistence, and persistence, then they can and often should begin the process of transitioning to a new gender. Its all science, you see. And denying that science not only makes you a Neanderthal, it makes you a bigot. According to this lie, parents should rejoice when their children finally identify as transgender. After all, its the first step to becoming their true selves. According to this lie, there is nothing to fear except discrimination itself. Once individuals embrace their true identity, only intolerance can destroy their lives. Thus the fury at dissenters. Thus the academic censorship. Because of high suicide rates in transgender populations, endorsing ideological conformity becomes a matter of life and death. The truth, however, is stubborn. Human experience simply doesnt conform to ideological models, and the far worse damage is done when we try to impose radical ideology onto the complexities of individual, troubled lives. In reality, people are far more vulnerable to suggestion and fashion than the Left lets on. Rather than affirming an immutable identity, our culture is ratifying and rendering permanent what often amounts to little more than a troubled youthful phase one that is subject to all the whims of fashion that mark any other cultural trend.

        Lets be clear: The vast majority of kids who experience a period of discomfort with their biological sexual identity eventually desist. Indeed, the number may well be over 90 percent. In other words, kids who are growing and learning about life and themselves sometimes endure a period of confusion. This should shock exactly no one. What is shocking, however, is the insistence that this period of confusion should be treated as a period of confirmation and that medical intervention is the logical and tolerant next course.

        Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...rs-ignore-them
        I'll have to take your word for it but by age 7 I knew I liked girls though I wasn't able to overcome my natural shyness I until college with the help of beer the social lubricant We know Christian parents can't support a gay child because who ever loves a son or daughter more than me is out. Get lost..

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        • Originally posted by Brexx View Post
          This transgender epidemic is just more idiocy foisted on us by the nutbars on the left who have a scary amount of influence because they are firmly embedded in the education system and the media.
          It is stupidity at its finest. Celebrated by imbeciles LOL

          Originally posted by Brexx View Post
          The Tragic Transgender Contagion Anguished parents note that entire peer groups seem determined to transition together. When thinking about transgender issues, you can choose to believe either the Lefts comforting lie or the messy and sometimes quite sad and scary truth. Heres the comforting lie: that there are a certain class of people who live in a state of emotional distress because their sex assigned at birth conflicts with their gender identity. For these people it is the height of cruelty to ask them to live according to their assigned sex. So, when even children demonstrate the allegedly objective criteria of consistence, insistence, and persistence, then they can and often should begin the process of transitioning to a new gender. Its all science, you see. And denying that science not only makes you a Neanderthal, it makes you a bigot. According to this lie, parents should rejoice when their children finally identify as transgender. After all, its the first step to becoming their true selves. According to this lie, there is nothing to fear except discrimination itself. Once individuals embrace their true identity, only intolerance can destroy their lives. Thus the fury at dissenters. Thus the academic censorship. Because of high suicide rates in transgender populations, endorsing ideological conformity becomes a matter of life and death. The truth, however, is stubborn. Human experience simply doesnt conform to ideological models, and the far worse damage is done when we try to impose radical ideology onto the complexities of individual, troubled lives. In reality, people are far more vulnerable to suggestion and fashion than the Left lets on. Rather than affirming an immutable identity, our culture is ratifying and rendering permanent what often amounts to little more than a troubled youthful phase one that is subject to all the whims of fashion that mark any other cultural trend.
          Games with language only serve to convince fools of things so at odds with reality.

          ... and science !

          It's always interesting how much gay & trans advocates, right along with the global warming advocates, only like science until it shows their ideas for the phoney baloney that they are.

          Originally posted by Brexx View Post
          Lets be clear: The vast majority of kids who experience a period of discomfort with their biological sexual identity eventually desist. Indeed, the number may well be over 90 percent. In other words, kids who are growing and learning about life and themselves sometimes endure a period of confusion. This should shock exactly no one. What is shocking, however, is the insistence that this period of confusion should be treated as a period of confirmation and that medical intervention is the logical and tolerant next course.

          Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...rs-ignore-them
          Encouraging malleable and growing children to entertain such idiocy is child abuse and has been categorized as such by honest & credentialed professionals.

          This has been pointed out here, and ignored here, so many times ,... some must avoid reality at all costs LOL

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          • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

            It is stupidity at its finest. Celebrated by imbeciles LOL



            Games with language only serve to convince fools of things so at odds with reality.

            ... and science !

            It's always interesting how much gay & trans advocates, right along with the global warming advocates, only like science until it shows their ideas for the phoney baloney that they are.



            Encouraging malleable and growing children to entertain such idiocy is child abuse and has been categorized as such by honest & credentialed professionals.

            This has been pointed out here, and ignored here, so many times ,... some must avoid reality at all costs LOL
            I don't know of many people advocating for pedophilia of any kind. There was that right wing guy who was in the news about 6 months ago.

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            • Originally posted by redrover View Post
              I don't know of many people advocating for pedophilia of any kind. There was that right wing guy who was in the news about 6 months ago.
              Yeah, I'll bet. Like all the people you've "known" or things you've "heard about" or people you "talked to one day."

              And yet there are people advocating pedophilia. There have been a couple published news stories about it posted here at this forum. . . which of course you ignore.

              No worries, there will be more. Perverts never give up. .. which is why we now have "gay marriage" and nut-cases legally going into the wrong restrooms and hanging out with women and little girls.

              And you will keep pretending these things aren't happening or are even "normal."

              But we weren't talking of pedophiles. We were talking about the fact that promoting transgenderism to children has been called child abuse.

              By more than one professional.
              I somehow doubt you're much interested, but will add one here...

              --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
              Pediatrician: Transgender ideology has created widespread child abuse



              For the last 12 years, I have been a board member and researcher for the American College of Pediatricians, and for the last three years I have served as its president.

              I have witnessed an upending of the medical consensus on the nature of gender identity. What doctors once treated as a mental illness, the medical community now largely affirms and even promotes as normal.

              Pediatric gender clinics are considered elite centers for affirming children who are distressed by their biological sex. This distressful condition, once dubbed gender identity disorder, was renamed gender dysphoria in 2013.

              In 2014, there were 24 of these gender clinics, clustered chiefly along the east coast and in California. One year later, there were 40 across the nation.


              [ California does give us the greatest new fads doesn't it ? ]

              Two leading pediatric associations the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Pediatric Endocrine Society have followed in lockstep, endorsing the transition affirmation approach even as the latter organization concedes within its own guidelines that the transition-affirming protocol is based on low evidence.

              They even admit that the only strong evidence regarding this approach is its potential health risks to children.

              The transition-affirming view holds that children who consistently and persistently insist that they are not the gender associated with their biological sex are innately transgender.

              (The fact that in normal life and in psychiatry, anyone who consistently and persistently insists on anything else contrary to physical reality is considered either confused or delusional is conveniently ignored.)

              The transition-affirming approach has been embraced by public institutions in media, education, and our legal system, and is now recommended by most national medical organizations.

              There are exceptions to this movement, however, in addition to the American College of Pediatricians and the Alliance for Therapeutic Choice. These include the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, the Christian Medical & Dental Associations, the Catholic Medical Association, and the LGBT-affirming Youth Gender Professionals.

              The transgender movement has gained legs in the medical community and in our culture by offering a deeply flawed narrative. The scientific research and facts tell a different story.

              Gender identity is malleable, especially in young children.

              Even the American Psychological Associations Handbook of Sexuality and Psychology admits that prior to the widespread promotion of transition affirmation, 75 to 95 percent of pre-pubertal children who were distressed by their biological sex eventually outgrew that distress. The vast majority came to accept their biological sex by late adolescence after passing naturally through puberty.

              But with transition affirmation now increasing in Western society, the number of children claiming distress over their gender and their persistence over time has dramatically increased. For example, the Gender Identity Development Service in the United Kingdom alone has seen a 2,000 percent increase in referrals since 2009.

              ..............

              Bottom Line: Transition-Affirming Protocol Is Child Abuse

              The crux of the matter is that while the transition-affirming movement purports to help children, it is inflicting a grave injustice on them and their nondysphoric peers.

              These professionals are using the myth that people are born transgender to justify engaging in massive, uncontrolled, and unconsented experimentation on children who have a psychological condition that would otherwise resolve after puberty in the vast majority of cases.

              Todays institutions that promote transition affirmation are pushing children to impersonate the opposite sex, sending many of them down the path of puberty blockers, sterilization, the removal of healthy body parts, and untold psychological damage.

              These harms constitute nothing less than institutionalized child abuse. Sound ethics demand an immediate end to the use of pubertal suppression, cross-sex hormones, and sex reassignment surgeries in children and adolescents, as well as an end to promoting gender ideology via school curricula and legislative policies.


              https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion...ad-child-abuse

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              • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                I don't know of many people advocating for pedophilia of any kind. There was that right wing guy who was in the news about 6 months ago.
                Don't know many? Probably didn't know many advocating gay marriage back in the day either.

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                • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                  I'll have to take your word for it but by age 7 I knew I liked girls though I wasn't able to overcome my natural shyness I until college with the help of beer the social lubricant We know Christian parents can't support a gay child because who ever loves a son or daughter more than me is out. Get lost..
                  My post was about transgenderism not homosexuality. They're different. Bruce Jenner now calls himself a woman but he says he still likes women. So, he's a lesbian with a penis. Convenient. No strap-on necessary.

                  Apparently you don't give a damn about what's happening to kids these days. Sad coming from a retired teacher.

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                  • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                    I don't know of many people advocating for pedophilia of any kind. There was that right wing guy who was in the news about 6 months ago.
                    Who said anything about pedophilia? This is not about diddlers, its about pumping kids full of hormones and then later mutilating them surgically.

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                    • Originally posted by Brexx View Post

                      Who said anything about pedophilia? This is not about diddlers, its about pumping kids full of hormones and then later mutilating them surgically.
                      I've never heard of such a thing. Where is this happening?

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                      • Originally posted by redrover View Post
                        I've never heard of such a thing. Where is this happening?
                        Its happening in "gender identity clinics" in the UK, Canada, the US, and probably all over western Europe. Here's some info from the UK.

                        In the U.K., where records are easier to obtain, clinics are facing an explosion in demand for gender-identity treatment. As the Guardian reports: Figures obtained under the Freedom of Information Act reveal increases in the number of referrals to all of the UKs 14 gender identity clinics (GICs) in recent years, with a number of clinics experiencing increases of several hundred percent. At one major clinic, referrals quadrupled. At another, they increased 20-fold in ten years. At still another, referrals increased a jaw-dropping 28-fold in eight years. Clinics for children were seeing staggering annual increases: The Tavistock clinic, the only centre for children and adolescents in England, has seen referral increases of about 50% a year since 201011. In the past year it has had an unexpected and unprecedented increase of 100%, up from 697 to 1,398 referrals. The Guardian because its the Guardian laments that demand for gender-identity treatment is outstripping the available supply of practitioners, noting that the resulting shortfall is leaving vulnerable people waiting years for a specialist appointment.

                        Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...phoria-doctors

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                        • Originally posted by Brexx View Post
                          Its happening in "gender identity clinics" in the UK, Canada, the US, and probably all over western Europe. Here's some info from the UK.

                          In the U.K., where records are easier to obtain, clinics are facing an explosion in demand for gender-identity treatment. As the Guardian reports: Figures obtained under the Freedom of Information Act reveal increases in the number of referrals to all of the UKs 14 gender identity clinics (GICs) in recent years, with a number of clinics experiencing increases of several hundred percent. At one major clinic, referrals quadrupled. At another, they increased 20-fold in ten years. At still another, referrals increased a jaw-dropping 28-fold in eight years. Clinics for children were seeing staggering annual increases: The Tavistock clinic, the only centre for children and adolescents in England, has seen referral increases of about 50% a year since 201011. In the past year it has had an unexpected and unprecedented increase of 100%, up from 697 to 1,398 referrals. The Guardian because its the Guardian laments that demand for gender-identity treatment is outstripping the available supply of practitioners, noting that the resulting shortfall is leaving vulnerable people waiting years for a specialist appointment.

                          Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...phoria-doctors
                          Rover isn't big on reading.

                          Especially if it's something that might enlighten him. Talking; "...about pumping kids full of hormones and then later mutilating them surgically." was just mentioned a few posts ago LOL

                          https://www.uspoliticsonline.com/for...060#post546060

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                          • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                            Rover isn't big on reading.

                            Especially if it's something that might enlighten him. Talking; "...about pumping kids full of hormones and then later mutilating them surgically." was just mentioned a few posts ago LOL

                            https://www.uspoliticsonline.com/for...060#post546060
                            Might have to try shorter posts with bigger print. lol

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                            • Maybe I'll scan in some pages from a Dr. Seuss book.

                              But I hear Dr. Seuss is considered racist now... Maybe some Berenstein Bears ? ? I don't know ?

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                              • Originally posted by Brexx View Post

                                Might have to try shorter posts with bigger print. lol
                                How many 13 and 14 year olds had this surgery last year? I think it all started 60 years ago when I was in junior high school. All the girls would dance with each other because none of the boys knew how to dance. The boys would stand around and talk about our favorite war movies..

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