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  • Originally posted by Brexx View Post

    A lot of people are not as open minded as you are about gays, so why should they be forced to serve gays while folks like you can discriminate against whomever you don't like?
    I didn't know I could discriminate whomever I don't like. While I was teaching there ere a number of school members who ere hostile to teachers. As would luck would have it children of those board members. It never occurred to me to do anything but give those children my best effort. Maybe it has something to do with that old non religious morality. Personally I don't think it is moral to try to make gays feel like they are freaks. Why hurt people who aren't doing anything to you. I think this kind of cruelty is immoral.

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    • Originally posted by redrover View Post

      I didn't know I could discriminate whomever I don't like. While I was teaching there ere a number of school members who ere hostile to teachers. As would luck would have it children of those board members. It never occurred to me to do anything but give those children my best effort. Maybe it has something to do with that old non religious morality. Personally I don't think it is moral to try to make gays feel like they are freaks. Why hurt people who aren't doing anything to you. I think this kind of cruelty is immoral.
      You just said it should be OK to discriminate against neo-nazis. Have they ever done anything to you? They are not real nazis remember, they are just misguided idiots. The real nazis were wiped out decades ago.

      I don't disagree with you BTW about the neo-nazis. If I was the tailor and a skinhead came in and wanted me to taylor his uniform I would tell him to fuck right off. But I think the same right should be given to those who disagree with gay marriage. If two bum buddies want to call themselves a "marriage" I can tolerate that, but I shouldn't be required by law to have any part in it.

      You have to wonder why a gay couple would want their wedding cake to be made by a fundamentalist Christian whose holy book says that they should be put to death. Would they be proud of that? Would they announce at their wedding reception, "Guess what fellow queers and supporters, this cake was made by a man who believes we should be executed"?

      I also wonder what you would think if the cake-maker was a Muslim. You would probably never even hear about it.

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      • Originally posted by redrover View Post
        I didn't know I could discriminate whomever I don't like. While I was teaching there ere a number of school members who ere hostile to teachers. As would luck would have it children of those board members. It never occurred to me to do anything but give those children my best effort. Maybe it has something to do with that old non religious morality. Personally I don't think it is moral to try to make gays feel like they are freaks. Why hurt people who aren't doing anything to you. I think this kind of cruelty is immoral.
        You discriminate every day all day. You're here instead of somewhere else because of your discriminating choices.

        You know as well as I, that no one is out there, going out of their way to make "gays" feel like "freaks." They do a grand job of it all on their own - which is probably why the suicide rate of homosexuals is higher than the general population. - find it yourself, it's a widely known fact

        So give us all a break whining that;

        "Why hurt people who aren't doing anything to you. I think this kind of cruelty is immoral."

        Refusing to make a cake with a certain message on it isn't "cruel." There are plenty of people and businesses that will refuse to make items with certain messages on them and guess what ?

        No one is running crying to "the state" demanding that these businesses create items with certain messages, or be sued out of business !


        You're endless whimpering about "gays" and "muslims" is laughable at best, sickening at worst.

        Muslims will be pleased to slaughter your entire family in front of you - then murder YOU !

        Many gays could give a shirt about gay cakes and a few Christian people refusing to make a cake for a "gay wedding." As we see here;


        Had he refused service to me, I would have happily marched out of his cake shop and given my money to a more LGBT-friendly cake-maker. But, by turning to the state, Mullins and Craig have made a martyr out of a bigot......

        https://www.uspoliticsonline.com/for...191#post548191


        even some gays think this business is sick & idiotic.

        ... but the world is always going to have it's "rovers" LOL Making noise and drama about nothing. I've had neighbors like that. Noisy rows and yelling matches daily - all about NOTHING !! Just burns off steam I guess ? Maybe they - YOU - need an exercise regimen added to the daily routine. Try it, it CAN bring you better feelings about life, make life less frustrating.

        ... just an idea LOL

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        • Originally posted by Brexx View Post
          You just said it should be OK to discriminate against neo-nazis. Have they ever done anything to you? They are not real nazis remember, they are just misguided idiots. The real nazis were wiped out decades ago.

          I don't disagree with you BTW about the neo-nazis. If I was the tailor and a skinhead came in and wanted me to taylor his uniform I would tell him to fuck right off. But I think the same right should be given to those who disagree with gay marriage. If two bum buddies want to call themselves a "marriage" I can tolerate that, but I shouldn't be required by law to have any part in it.

          You have to wonder why a gay couple would want their wedding cake to be made by a fundamentalist Christian whose holy book says that they should be put to death. Would they be proud of that? Would they announce at their wedding reception, "Guess what fellow queers and supporters, this cake was made by a man who believes we should be executed"?

          I also wonder what you would think if the cake-maker was a Muslim. You would probably never even hear about it
          .
          There's one reason a "gay couple" will actively seek out a Christian baker for such a thing.

          And that's exactly what they did. Do we honestly think that the greatest number of specialty cake and dessert businesses are run by fundamentalist Christians ??? LOL

          Of course not.

          They seek these businesses only because of the deadly hatred for Christians they have in their hearts.

          I find it entertaining that the idiots on the supreme court NOW have to face up to, and deal with troubles of their own creation ! Gay "marriage" was such a fabulous idea, except.... well NOW .....

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          • I notice they don't seek out any Muslim bakers to pursue a case against them. I wonder why?

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            • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
              I notice they don't seek out any Muslim bakers to pursue a case against them. I wonder why?
              I wonder the same thing. Perhaps it would advance the discussion if you would kindly give us the details of the Muslim baker refusing service to homosexuals. Specific date and name of community and the consequences of the incident..

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              • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                I wonder the same thing. Perhaps it would advance the discussion if you would kindly give us the details of the Muslim baker refusing service to homosexuals. Specific date and name of community and the consequences of the incident..
                If there was a Muslim baker who made cakes for weddings do you really think a gay couple would go to him?

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                • Originally posted by redrover View Post
                  I wonder the same thing. Perhaps it would advance the discussion if you would kindly give us the details of the Muslim baker refusing service to homosexuals. Specific date and name of community and the consequences of the incident..
                  There aren't any of these incidences for a couple of reasons.

                  First, the number of strict Islamic bakers in America is even lower than the number of fundamentalist Christian bakers in America. For most people, it would be too much trouble to locate one in ones own city, maybe even in ones own STATE.

                  Second, in spite of the fact that Islam is popularly labelled "the religion of peace," there's just too much violence and death associated with it - justifiably so, should we list the murders and mass killings done by followers of Islam over the last 10 or 20 years here in America ?

                  So, while gays do have hatred in their hearts for religion - Islam would be included given what Muslims do to gay people - they aren't stupid enough to pursue people who will happily murder them rather than peacefully accept being sued and run out of business like a good Christian.

                  Hope that helps shed some light on this very complex issue.

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                  • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                    There aren't any of these incidences for a couple of reasons.

                    First, the number of strict Islamic bakers in America is even lower than the number of fundamentalist Christian bakers in America. For most people, it would be too much trouble to locate one in ones own city, maybe even in ones own STATE.

                    Second, in spite of the fact that Islam is popularly labelled "the religion of peace," there's just too much violence and death associated with it - justifiably so, should we list the murders and mass killings done by followers of Islam over the last 10 or 20 years here in America ?

                    So, while gays do have hatred in their hearts for religion - Islam would be included given what Muslims do to gay people - they aren't stupid enough to pursue people who will happily murder them rather than peacefully accept being sued and run out of business like a good Christian.

                    Hope that helps shed some light on this very complex issue.
                    In other words these Muslim bakers are theoretical Muslims. And we know that every member of a religion behave alike. That is how we know most Mexicans are murderers or rapist and every Christian is a pedophile/ Jews love money and blacks are lazy and shiftless. You guys a handle on everyone don't you? Given the kind of people is trying to put on the bench that should streamline the legal system Mexican comes into the court and the judge says 20 years to life. Then the bailiff speaks up and says your honor that's the custodian. So what he's still a murder and a rapist probably.

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                    • Originally posted by redrover View Post
                      In other words these Muslim bakers are theoretical Muslims. And we know that every member of a religion behave alike. That is how we know most Mexicans are murderers or rapist and every Christian is a pedophile/ Jews love money and blacks are lazy and shiftless. You guys a handle on everyone don't you? Given the kind of people is trying to put on the bench that should streamline the legal system Mexican comes into the court and the judge says 20 years to life. Then the bailiff speaks up and says your honor that's the custodian. So what he's still a murder and a rapist probably.
                      Have you heard about all the Muslim taxi drivers who refuse to take blind people because they have dogs? Didn't think so.

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                      • Originally posted by redrover View Post
                        In other words these Muslim bakers are theoretical Muslims. And we know that every member of a religion behave alike. That is how we know most Mexicans are murderers or rapist and every Christian is a pedophile/ Jews love money and blacks are lazy and shiftless. You guys a handle on everyone don't you? Given the kind of people is trying to put on the bench that should streamline the legal system Mexican comes into the court and the judge says 20 years to life. Then the bailiff speaks up and says your honor that's the custodian. So what he's still a murder and a rapist probably.
                        Yeah - laughs- and it's not as if you don't do that with these so called "republicans." It's not as if you don't do that with these people who are "Christians."

                        Comical your defense is - as always.

                        That you then attempt equating religions with races & behaviours, adds to the comedic value - great stuff thanks, always fun -grins-

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                        • .... does it end ?

                          No, very sorry... not yet, there's more.....

                          Same thing, a cake a shirt ... do what we say or else !!!

                          You WILL affirm us, you WILL agree with us, you WILL make us whatever we tell you to .. Allahhhu Akabar !!!! - oops, wrong nazis, er I mean extremeists, er I mean Isamic wahabbists er I mean ISIS er ... whatever........ do what we say or else !!!

                          You WILL affirm us, you WILL agree with us, you WILL make us whatever we tell you to...

                          [REPEAT]

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                          In a legal case that mirrors a Colorado baker, the owner of a printing business will defend his religious rights before the Kentucky Supreme Court.

                          The state's highest court has agreed to hear the case of Blaine Adamson, who turned down a t-shirt order for a Lexington "gay pride" festival in 2012.

                          The city's Gay and Lesbian Services Organization (GLSO) attempted to order the event t-shirts at Adamson's business, Hands on Originals, and the organization sued after he refused, citing his Christian beliefs.

                          The Lexington Human Rights Commission ruled that the company violated the city's fairness ordinance, which outlaws discrimination based on sexual orientation, but a Fayette County circuit court judge ruled in Adamson's favor, agreeing the business owner had turned down other print orders he found morally objectionable.

                          Colorado baker Jack Phillips and his Alliance Defending Freedom attorneys made similar arguments before the U.S. Supreme Court earlier this month - he has turned down orders for bawdy bachelor party cakes, for example - in what is expected to be a landmark legal decision announced next summer.

                          In the Kentucky case, an appeals court affirmed the circuit court's decision, paving the way for the Supreme Court hearing.

                          A date for the hearing has not been set.


                          [ so we have to do this more than once ]

                          ADF has pointed out that Adamson offered to connect the GLSO to another printer who would create the shirts for the same price that he would have charged.

                          "The GLSO rejected Blaine's offer and filed a discrimination complaint," ADF stated in a press release.


                          [ so what was this about really then ? ]

                          "If the situation were reversed, would a homosexual printer be forced to print material stating that homosexuality is morally wrong?" the legal firm asked. "Or would an African American be forced to print shirts promoting a Klu Klux Klan rally? Of course not."

                          [ Really ?? "Of course not" ????? Why NOT !?!?!?! ]

                          https://www.onenewsnow.com/legal-cou...-supreme-court

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                          • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
                            .... does it end ?

                            No, very sorry... not yet, there's more.....

                            Same thing, a cake a shirt ... do what we say or else !!!

                            You WILL affirm us, you WILL agree with us, you WILL make us whatever we tell you to .. Allahhhu Akabar !!!! - oops, wrong nazis, er I mean extremeists, er I mean Isamic wahabbists er I mean ISIS er ... whatever........ do what we say or else !!!

                            You WILL affirm us, you WILL agree with us, you WILL make us whatever we tell you to...

                            [REPEAT]

                            -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                            In a legal case that mirrors a Colorado baker, the owner of a printing business will defend his religious rights before the Kentucky Supreme Court.

                            The state's highest court has agreed to hear the case of Blaine Adamson, who turned down a t-shirt order for a Lexington "gay pride" festival in 2012.

                            The city's Gay and Lesbian Services Organization (GLSO) attempted to order the event t-shirts at Adamson's business, Hands on Originals, and the organization sued after he refused, citing his Christian beliefs.

                            The Lexington Human Rights Commission ruled that the company violated the city's fairness ordinance, which outlaws discrimination based on sexual orientation, but a Fayette County circuit court judge ruled in Adamson's favor, agreeing the business owner had turned down other print orders he found morally objectionable.

                            Colorado baker Jack Phillips and his Alliance Defending Freedom attorneys made similar arguments before the U.S. Supreme Court earlier this month - he has turned down orders for bawdy bachelor party cakes, for example - in what is expected to be a landmark legal decision announced next summer.

                            In the Kentucky case, an appeals court affirmed the circuit court's decision, paving the way for the Supreme Court hearing.

                            A date for the hearing has not been set.


                            [ so we have to do this more than once ]

                            ADF has pointed out that Adamson offered to connect the GLSO to another printer who would create the shirts for the same price that he would have charged.

                            "The GLSO rejected Blaine's offer and filed a discrimination complaint," ADF stated in a press release.


                            [ so what was this about really then ? ]

                            "If the situation were reversed, would a homosexual printer be forced to print material stating that homosexuality is morally wrong?" the legal firm asked. "Or would an African American be forced to print shirts promoting a Klu Klux Klan rally? Of course not."

                            [ Really ?? "Of course not" ????? Why NOT !?!?!?! ]

                            https://www.onenewsnow.com/legal-cou...-supreme-court
                            Taking things to court seems to be the way things get done these days. Back in my times the 1940's we just gave a guy a good sock in the jaw. That straightened them out. We don't think we ca expect much from the supreme court for a while because they have a huge backlog with all the suits Trump has brought against the women who slandered him.It's a hard time for Christians Maybe why their numbers are in decline and my religion is on the ascendance .https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...nwide/1607243/

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                            • Originally posted by redrover View Post
                              Taking things to court seems to be the way things get done these days. Back in my times the 1940's we just gave a guy a good sock in the jaw. That straightened them out. We don't think we ca expect much from the supreme court for a while because they have a huge backlog with all the suits Trump has brought against the women who slandered him.It's a hard time for Christians Maybe why their numbers are in decline and my religion is on the ascendance .https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...nwide/1607243/
                              Uh huh, that's great you should be quite pleased.

                              It has been noted that you're in favor of people forcing other people to say and do things they don't agree with by force of "law."

                              Maybe you're lucky and don't run, or aren't involved in a business that this might affect . . . so you can ignore the results and offer only the kind of nonsense response you've offered.

                              Later, when people who think like you, are forced to say or do things they don't believe in by "court order," none of us will be much interested - beyond minor amusement - in your complaints.

                              My only question is why is it so impossible for liberals to see how foolish their ideas are, in the always easy to foresee consequences of their moronic "ideas" ?

                              Guess I shouldn't ask, people this "smart" would never be able to answer such an impossibly complex question LOL

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                              • So they caved in to the demands of these sick people and ... guess what happened ?

                                What would you expect ?

                                What happened is what we should expect, and always expect. These people are sick, deranged, uncivilized, this behaviour is no surprise !

                                Now they're warring against donut shops LOL ... what idiots LOL

                                "You WILL affirm us, you WILL agree with us, you WILL make us whatever we tell you to .. Allahhhu Akabar !!!! - oops, wrong nazis, er I mean extremeists, er I mean Isamic wahabbists er I mean ISIS er ... whatever........ do what we say or else !!!

                                You WILL affirm us, you WILL agree with us, you WILL make us whatever we tell you to.
                                ..you will say what we tell you to say..."

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                                "After receiving harsh criticism from the LGBT community for partnering with the Salvation Army to help collect donations and provide Christmas gifts for five needy children, a donut shop in Portland, Maine, was forced to end its charitable campaign."

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                                LGBT activists voiced their outrage against The Holy Donut for taking part in the Christian charitys gift drive to provide gifts for a local family, CBN News reported. The shops owners gave a free donut to customers who donated presents and winter clothes to the struggling family.

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                                The donut shops owners quickly discovered that it is impossible to please LGBT activists unless one fully supports or promotes their unbiblical lifestyle.

                                Even though many customers fully support the Holy Donuts partnership with the iconic Christian organization best known for its Christmastime storefront bell ringers fundraising and for providing shelter for the homeless the shops owners succumbed to pressure and decided to sever relations with the charitable group.

                                "We do not support the Salvation Army or consider them our 'partner' for this project they simply linked us to a needy family," the owners of the Holy Donut wrote on their Facebook page. "We have nothing to gain here we just wanted to help a family in need."

                                The store owners felt the need to explain similar to the Salvation Army that they do not discriminate when it comes to serving the community.

                                "We take this opportunity to sincerely apologize to anyone that we have offended," the post continued. "We are an organization which prides itself on our track record of kindness and acceptance of everyone."


                                Despite the Holy Donuts severing of ties with the Salvation Army and its issuance of an unwarranted apology, local LGBT supporters were not appeased and have continued their assault on the shop with condemnations and bad reviews.

                                Online commenters seem unmoved, the Heralds James Patrick reported. The Holy Donut has received multiple one- and two-star reviews in the past few days on Facebook as people vent their displeasure about the charity drive.


                                Rev. Franklin Graham called out Portlands LGBT activists on their campaign to attack Christian-related causes and shut down anything and anyone who does not fully support or promote the homosexual agenda.

                                As the president of the Christian humanitarian aid organization, Samaritans Purse which runs Operation Christmas Child Graham asserted that the LGBT communitys tactics of using fear, misinformation and intimidation against businesses is regularly employed throughout the nation to push its radical campaign aimed at normalizing homosexual behavior.


                                [ they're too stupid to realize they're making themselves look like Nazis & dictators instead ]

                                "This attack is no surprise," Graham expressed in a Facebook post. "Just look at the bakers, florists, videographers and photographers that have exited the wedding business, experienced death threats, and face public shaming for simply not participating in a gay wedding."

                                The world-renowned evangelist and president of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association (BGEA) ended his post with a call for prayer that Christians in America will not cave in to the demands of the LGBT community and be silent.

                                "Pray that our country will see through this spiritual blindness, and pray that Christians will have boldness to stand by the Word of God even if jobs, or promotions, or reputations are threatened," Graham closed.



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