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  • Originally posted by redrover View Post

    Looking back on Donald Trump's history with love and marriage it is hard t escape the conclusion that for Trump love does not extend beyond sex.I am quite confident in saying that homosexual love goes beyond just sex. Marriage is a commitment that transcends sex.I think if anything we should be encouraging monogamy within the gay community.
    I agree!

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    • Originally posted by Cynnie View Post

      I agree!
      I also agree.

      In another area of this topic, people still have a right to not take part in activities that violate their belief systems.


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      Bakery Ruling 'Huge Win for Religious Freedom'

      Monday’s ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court in favor of a Christian baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple because of his religious beliefs.

      "Today the Supreme Court has ruled in favor of Jack Phillips, the Colorado baker who refused to create a wedding cake for a same-sex marriage ceremony. This is a huge win for religious freedom!"


      https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/re.../04/id/864057/

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      • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

        I also agree.

        In another area of this topic, people still have a right to not take part in activities that violate their belief systems.


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        Bakery Ruling 'Huge Win for Religious Freedom'

        Monday’s ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court in favor of a Christian baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a gay couple because of his religious beliefs.

        "Today the Supreme Court has ruled in favor of Jack Phillips, the Colorado baker who refused to create a wedding cake for a same-sex marriage ceremony. This is a huge win for religious freedom!"


        https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/re.../04/id/864057/
        I agree with this ruling. The baker did not have to bake the cake because it would have been a special creation (art). If the purchaser wanted to buy one out of a catalog or off the counter he would have had to sell it to the person, regardless of sexual orientation.

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        • Originally posted by Cynnie View Post

          I agree with this ruling. The baker did not have to bake the cake because it would have been a special creation (art). If the purchaser wanted to buy one out of a catalog or off the counter he would have had to sell it to the person, regardless of sexual orientation.
          Exactly.

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          The Supreme Court is setting aside a Colorado court ruling against a baker who wouldn't make a wedding cake for a same-sex couple. But the court is not deciding the big issue in the case, whether a business can refuse to serve gay and lesbian people.

          The justices' limited ruling Monday turns on what the court described as anti-religious bias on the Colorado Civil Rights Commission when it ruled against baker Jack Phillips. The justices voted 7-2 that the Colorado Civil Rights Commission violated Phillips' rights under the First Amendment.


          Read the entire ruling - https://www.onenewsnow.com/media/872...ase_scotus.pdf

          Justice Anthony Kennedy says in his majority opinion that the issue "must await further elaboration." Appeals in similar cases are pending, including one at the Supreme Court from a florist who didn't want to provide flowers for a same-sex wedding.

          Liberal justices Stephen Breyer and Elena Kagan joined the conservative justices in the outcome. Kagan wrote separately to emphasize the limited ruling.

          Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor dissented.

          The same-sex couple at the heart of the case, Charlie Craig and Dave Mullins, complained to the Colorado commission in 2012 after they visited Phillips' shop in suburban Denver and the baker quickly told them he would not create a cake for a same-sex wedding.
          Colorado law prohibits discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, and the commission concluded that Phillips' refusal violated the law. Colorado state courts upheld the determination.

          But when the justices heard arguments in December, Kennedy was plainly bothered by comments by a commission member. The commissioner seemed "neither tolerant nor respectful of Mr. Phillips' religious beliefs," Kennedy said in December.

          That same sentiment suffused his opinion on Monday. "The commission's hostility was inconsistent with the First Amendment's guarantee that our laws be applied in a manner that is neutral toward religion," he wrote.

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          Abraham Hamilton III, legal counsel for the American Family Association, explains that references to the 7-2 vote being a "narrow" decision have nothing to do with the vote count.

          Hamilton
          "When describing it as a narrow decision, the Court had before it an opportunity to slam the door once and for all on the issue as to whether or not religious freedom would be upheld in every case, in every instance where it is challenged by same-sex marriage. But the Court did not go that far," he explains.

          "In fact ... the opinion ... gives the indication that Justice Kennedy based the bulk of his reasoning in this opinion on the Colorado Commission's overt hostility towards Christianity – almost giving the indication that if they had been a little bit more subtle and discreet in their anti-Christian hostility, maybe they could have concluded in their direction. But because their record was so abundantly clear that the Commission even in some instances mocked the legitimacy of Jack Phillips' faith, that they were duty bound as the High Court in the country to rule against them."




          https://www.onenewsnow.com/ap/legal/...x-wedding-cake

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          • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

            Exactly.

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            The Supreme Court is setting aside a Colorado court ruling against a baker who wouldn't make a wedding cake for a same-sex couple. But the court is not deciding the big issue in the case, whether a business can refuse to serve gay and lesbian people.

            The justices' limited ruling Monday turns on what the court described as anti-religious bias on the Colorado Civil Rights Commission when it ruled against baker Jack Phillips. The justices voted 7-2 that the Colorado Civil Rights Commission violated Phillips' rights under the First Amendment.


            Read the entire ruling - https://www.onenewsnow.com/media/872...ase_scotus.pdf

            Justice Anthony Kennedy says in his majority opinion that the issue "must await further elaboration." Appeals in similar cases are pending, including one at the Supreme Court from a florist who didn't want to provide flowers for a same-sex wedding.

            Liberal justices Stephen Breyer and Elena Kagan joined the conservative justices in the outcome. Kagan wrote separately to emphasize the limited ruling.

            Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor dissented.

            The same-sex couple at the heart of the case, Charlie Craig and Dave Mullins, complained to the Colorado commission in 2012 after they visited Phillips' shop in suburban Denver and the baker quickly told them he would not create a cake for a same-sex wedding.
            Colorado law prohibits discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, and the commission concluded that Phillips' refusal violated the law. Colorado state courts upheld the determination.

            But when the justices heard arguments in December, Kennedy was plainly bothered by comments by a commission member. The commissioner seemed "neither tolerant nor respectful of Mr. Phillips' religious beliefs," Kennedy said in December.

            That same sentiment suffused his opinion on Monday. "The commission's hostility was inconsistent with the First Amendment's guarantee that our laws be applied in a manner that is neutral toward religion," he wrote.

            --

            Abraham Hamilton III, legal counsel for the American Family Association, explains that references to the 7-2 vote being a "narrow" decision have nothing to do with the vote count.

            Hamilton
            "When describing it as a narrow decision, the Court had before it an opportunity to slam the door once and for all on the issue as to whether or not religious freedom would be upheld in every case, in every instance where it is challenged by same-sex marriage. But the Court did not go that far," he explains.

            "In fact ... the opinion ... gives the indication that Justice Kennedy based the bulk of his reasoning in this opinion on the Colorado Commission's overt hostility towards Christianity – almost giving the indication that if they had been a little bit more subtle and discreet in their anti-Christian hostility, maybe they could have concluded in their direction. But because their record was so abundantly clear that the Commission even in some instances mocked the legitimacy of Jack Phillips' faith, that they were duty bound as the High Court in the country to rule against them."




            https://www.onenewsnow.com/ap/legal/...x-wedding-cake
            Too bad he had to fight for 6 years all the way to the SC to get justice. Most people can't afford that.

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            • Originally posted by Brexx View Post

              Too bad he had to fight for 6 years all the way to the SC to get justice. Most people can't afford that.
              Certainly a great day for God and heaven knows she hasn't many of late.

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              • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                Certainly a great day for God and heaven knows she hasn't many of late.
                Its a great day for liberty, but I know you don't believe in that.

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                • Originally posted by Brexx View Post

                  Its a great day for liberty, but I know you don't believe in that.
                  At least you didn't bust my chops for suggesting that god was a woman. At least I didn't say she is a transgender woman. Yes great day for liberty. Now if I can just get my slaves back. First they take my slaves before you know it they'll be after my guns.

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                  • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                    At least you didn't bust my chops for suggesting that god was a woman. At least I didn't say she is a transgender woman. Yes great day for liberty. Now if I can just get my slaves back. First they take my slaves before you know it they'll be after my guns.
                    Better depend on you gay fascist friends then !

                    Or have they given up the game ?

                    Since they now have to find something better to do than harass Christian businesses .... for awhile at least LOL

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                    • Originally posted by Brexx View Post
                      Too bad he had to fight for 6 years all the way to the SC to get justice. Most people can't afford that.
                      The supreme half-wits of the supreme court caused this issue, it just came back to them FINALLY. I would say these supreme dip-sh&ts should have to personally pay full restitution to this man for the problems they caused him !

                      ... but like the rest of our "authorities" and politicians, THEY have made sure to insulate themselves from their crappy choices !

                      Isn't that clever of them ?

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                      • Originally posted by redrover View Post

                        At least you didn't bust my chops for suggesting that god was a woman. At least I didn't say she is a transgender woman. Yes great day for liberty. Now if I can just get my slaves back. First they take my slaves before you know it they'll be after my guns.
                        So for you Freedom Means Slavery. That's right out of Orwell's 1984. You do know what that little story was about don't you?

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                        • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                          The supreme half-wits of the supreme court caused this issue, it just came back to them FINALLY. I would say these supreme dip-sh&ts should have to personally pay full restitution to this man for the problems they caused him !

                          ... but like the rest of our "authorities" and politicians, THEY have made sure to insulate themselves from their crappy choices !

                          Isn't that clever of them ?
                          I hope in the end the two guys who sued him have to pay all his court costs. Anything short of that is not complete justice.

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                          • Originally posted by Brexx View Post

                            I hope in the end the two guys who sued him have to pay all his court costs. Anything short of that is not complete justice.
                            That is correct.

                            All of this stupidity should have been avoided very quickly and easily.

                            Two "gay" people should have gone to any of the many cake makers in their area, and had their gay cake wedding celebration goofiness taken care of.

                            Easy

                            BUT .. this wouldn't have made big news would it ?

                            No.

                            They weren't that interested in getting married and having happy gay lives. They wanted to show how powerful their sickness & hatred is.

                            So they did

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                            • [QUOTE=Captain Trips;n554510]

                              That is correct.

                              All of this stupidity should have been avoided very quickly and easily.

                              Two "gay" people should have gone to any of the many cake makers in their area, and had their gay cake wedding celebration goofiness taken care of.

                              Easy

                              BUT .. this wouldn't have made big news would it ?

                              No.

                              They weren't that interested in getting married and having happy gay lives. They wanted to show how powerful their sickness & hatred is.

                              .One of my teacher friends asked on facebook. What will happen if the gay doctors refuse to treat all homophobic bakers? Something to think about.

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                              • [QUOTE=redrover;n554516]
                                Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                                That is correct.

                                All of this stupidity should have been avoided very quickly and easily.

                                Two "gay" people should have gone to any of the many cake makers in their area, and had their gay cake wedding celebration goofiness taken care of.

                                Easy

                                BUT .. this wouldn't have made big news would it ?

                                No.

                                They weren't that interested in getting married and having happy gay lives. They wanted to show how powerful their sickness & hatred is.

                                .One of my teacher friends asked on facebook. What will happen if the gay doctors refuse to treat all homophobic bakers? Something to think about.
                                Nothing. Homophobic bakers are not a protected species like homosexuals are.

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