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  • The root cause of Ferguson

    As the commentators on the left coast try to outdo one an other with their veiled calls to lynch Darren Wilson, and others wring their hands over police fashion, the rational among us ponder how we can unravel the knot of race relations. Many of us whom are products of the American education system are young enough to remember spending every February, and every other opportunity, learning all about the civil rights movement, singing kum-by-ya, and hearing the words of Martin Luther King Jr....

    I look to a day when people will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.
    I know that such things have been taught for at least 30 years, likely much longer, so one has to wonder why, more than a generation in, we have the problems we see in Ferguson. Clearly, MLK's message hasn't sunk in. The only thing that seems to have changed is the level and volume of support the black community receives from the political class. Something else is going on, and what follows I think sheds a lot of light on what is going on.


    A Tumblr quote floated over to me about around the time of Trayvon Martin's murder, from a Jonathan Lethem book that I've never read (The Fortress of Solitude). At this point, I don't really need to read it, because it's already asked me the most important question I've heard in a long time: "At what age is a black boy when he learns he's scary?"

    This question retains its relevance now more than ever. Some have called Michael Brown's killing and the newly newsworthy manifestation of systemic racism and state-sanctioned brutality against black men a reproductive issue, arguing that it prevents women and men from their right "to parent the children we have in safe and healthy environments:" It makes people afraid to have black babies, because they won't stand a chance. As a black woman, nothing will stop me from bearing and raising my future child, but nothing will stop me from raising them in fear.

    Such is the burden of black parenting. Being a black parent, especially of a black boy, comes with the added onus of having to protect your child from a country that is out to get him—a country that kills someone that looks like him every 28 hours, a country that will likely imprison him by his mid-thirties if he doesn't get his high school diploma, a country that is more than twice as likely to suspend him from school than a white classmate.

    This fear has fueled a generational need for a portentous, culturally compulsory lecture that warns young black men about the inherent strikes against them, about the society that is built to bring them down. It is a harbinger of the inevitable, a wishful attempt at exceptionalism, passed down like an heirloom.

    Every black male I've ever met has had this talk, and it's likely that I'll have to give it one day too. There are so many things I need to tell my future son, already, before I've birthed him; so many innocuous, trite thoughts that may not make a single difference. Don't wear a hoodie. Don't try to break up a fight. Don't talk back to cops. Don't ask for help. But they're all variations of a single theme: Don't give them an excuse to kill you.
    So what we have here are parents, where the parents are present and engaged, one can only concluded what black teenagers are taught by peers on the street is far worse, teaching their sons that the police are the enemy. That they need to act shifty and uncooperative, that they shouldn't even look an officer of the law in the eye, like they are some kind of animal. That they can not have a human conversation with authority figures. Worst of all, that they are incapable of succeeding in society because society is out to get them, that they are somehow damaged goods because they are black and male.

    This is, reportedly, being taught to black young men. Is it any wonder, then, that blacks men are always in conflict with police, and police suspect that black men are up to something. Is it any wonder that black men have no respect for authority figures, be it parents, teachers, police, or otherwise. Is it any wonder then, that black men turtle up with like minded peers, and make little to no effort to act responsibly on behalf of themselves, their progeny, or their fellow men.

    This is a self fulfilling prophecy. This is a curse, being passed on the third and forth generations. And until it stops, all the efforts to educate both races and improve race relations, all the blood that spilled in the streets, all the treasure that is spent to help minorities, is spent in vain. Because this "talk", intentionally or not, undermines all of it.
    Last edited by Commodore; 08-21-2014, 11:29 AM.

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    Re: The root cause of Ferguson

    LBJ's War on Poverty pretty much destroyed the black family. He made it where black women no longer needed a husband in their life to survive. In fact, they could live much better without one. They were paid to have children, the more they had the more money they got from the tax payers. Several generations of black kids with no father are now producing kids and feel no obligation to be a father to them. It's the typical results of liberal left wing programs and the unintended consequences thereof.

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      Re: The root cause of Ferguson

      Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
      LBJ's War on Poverty pretty much destroyed the black family. He made it where black women no longer needed a husband in their life to survive. In fact, they could live much better without one. They were paid to have children, the more they had the more money they got from the tax payers. Several generations of black kids with no father are now producing kids and feel no obligation to be a father to them. It's the typical results of liberal left wing programs and the unintended consequences thereof.
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      Prediction: This thread will be ignored by the left...

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        Re: The root cause of Ferguson

        Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
        LBJ's War on Poverty pretty much destroyed the black family. He made it where black women no longer needed a husband in their life to survive. In fact, they could live much better without one. They were paid to have children, the more they had the more money they got from the tax payers. Several generations of black kids with no father are now producing kids and feel no obligation to be a father to them. It's the typical results of liberal left wing programs and the unintended consequences thereof.
        I wouldn't argue that point. But what surprised me as I read these testimonials was that they where usually getting this advice from fathers or engaged parents. Which tells me it's not simply a problem of broken homes, but actually wider than that.

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          Re: The root cause of Ferguson

          Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
          LBJ's War on Poverty pretty much destroyed the black family. He made it where black women no longer needed a husband in their life to survive. In fact, they could live much better without one. They were paid to have children, the more they had the more money they got from the tax payers. Several generations of black kids with no father are now producing kids and feel no obligation to be a father to them. It's the typical results of liberal left wing programs and the unintended consequences thereof.
          The thing is, i don't think that a lot of the poor anywhere in the country / world behave like this because they live in poverty.

          Having one parent and an absentee father is one matter but to me, this boils down to one thing that is the root cause: sheer and utter hooliganism on the part of rioters. Plain and simple.

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            Re: The root cause of Ferguson

            Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
            LBJ's War on Poverty pretty much destroyed the black family. He made it where black women no longer needed a husband in their life to survive. In fact, they could live much better without one. They were paid to have children, the more they had the more money they got from the tax payers. Several generations of black kids with no father are now producing kids and feel no obligation to be a father to them. It's the typical results of liberal left wing programs and the unintended consequences thereof.
            *Like* Indeed. 100% correct from my view as well.

            Originally posted by tsquare View Post
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            Prediction: This thread will be ignored by the left...
            Probably. They just hate being so utterly proven wrong by one of their favored government programs.

            Originally posted by Chloe View Post
            The thing is, i don't think that a lot of the poor anywhere in the country / world behave like this because they live in poverty.

            Having one parent and an absentee father is one matter but to me, this boils down to one thing that is the root cause: sheer and utter hooliganism on the part of rioters. Plain and simple.
            But I'd have to say, Chloe, that the hooliganism of the rioters is based in the observations Dan made above.

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              Re: The root cause of Ferguson

              I am not sure i necessarily see the connotation between the two and this specific set of circumstances / scenario though, given there are plenty of those on welfare / assistance / benefits who do not behave like this.

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                Re: The root cause of Ferguson

                Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                LBJ's War on Poverty pretty much destroyed the black family. He made it where black women no longer needed a husband in their life to survive. In fact, they could live much better without one. They were paid to have children, the more they had the more money they got from the tax payers. Several generations of black kids with no father are now producing kids and feel no obligation to be a father to them. It's the typical results of liberal left wing programs and the unintended consequences thereof.
                It must be awfully confusing for those children in a blended family when Father's Day roles around each year ...

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                  Re: The root cause of Ferguson

                  Originally posted by Commodore View Post
                  As the commentators on the left coast try to outdo one an other with their veiled calls to lynch Darren Wilson, and others wring their hands over police fashion, the rational among us ponder how we can unravel the knot of race relations. Many of us whom are products of the American education system are young enough to remember spending every February, and every other opportunity, learning all about the civil rights movement, singing kum-by-ya, and hearing the words of Martin Luther King Jr....



                  I know that such things have been taught for at least 30 years, likely much longer, so one has to wonder why, more than a generation in, we have the problems we see in Ferguson. Clearly, MLK's message hasn't sunk in. The only thing that seems to have changed is the level and volume of support the black community receives from the political class. Something else is going on, and what follows I think sheds a lot of light on what is going on.




                  So what we have here are parents, where the parents are present and engaged, one can only concluded what black teenagers are taught by peers on the street is far worse, teaching their sons that the police are the enemy. That they need to act shifty and uncooperative, that they shouldn't even look an officer of the law in the eye, like they are some kind of animal. That they can not have a human conversation with authority figures. Worst of all, that they are incapable of succeeding in society because society is out to get them, that they are somehow damaged goods because they are black and male.

                  This is, reportedly, being taught to black young men. Is it any wonder, then, that blacks men are always in conflict with police, and police suspect that black men are up to something. Is it any wonder that black men have no respect for authority figures, be it parents, teachers, police, or otherwise. Is it any wonder then, that black men turtle up with like minded peers, and make little to no effort to act responsibly on behalf of themselves, their progeny, or their fellow men.

                  This is a self fulfilling prophecy. This is a curse, being passed on the third and forth generations. And until it stops, all the efforts to educate both races and improve race relations, all the blood that spilled in the streets, all the treasure that is spent to help minorities, is spent in vain. Because this "talk", intentionally or not, undermines all of it.
                  So the actual fact of the matter is that black culture is rotten, immoral, corrupt and violent, and it is poor. Being poor doesn't work as an excuse though, for I know of honest poor people who are just poor. Black culture is a criminal culture, a gang culture, and a culture that is founded upon personal irresponsibility. Oldman says the war on poverty is to blame, and I would agree, that it is important but there are also other factors.

                  Blacks that grow up are conditioned by their own black culture to a particular world view, and one in which they are still discriminated against, are victims in a white society that would just as soon enslaved them again, and that they are arrested for just being black. This is conditioned into them by the black culture.

                  Then on the other side, since blacks do 49 percent of all killing yet are only 13 percent of the population and have a higher rate of crime compared to the rest of the population, this causes non blacks to be a bit leery of them, which is then called racism. If I am out in a parking loit and am approached by a couple young black males, my antenna go up. And why should this not happen? You cannot blame people for acting intelligently, yet I think we are, and we are called racists.

                  The black culture has a strong vein of criminality that runs through it. And most of those crimes are committed against other blacks. Blacks are not treated in the manner they are treated by law enforcement simply because they don't like blacks. They are just more likely to be up to something illegal and no good. That is on them, but instead the rest of us get blamed. It is rather absurd and perverse what some folks are trying to do with this issue.

                  The problem lies with the black people themselves. If they changed, then perceptions of them would change. But they cannot expect society to change their view when the same old behavior and beliefs are still a part of black culture.

                  Besides the war on poverty that rewarded single parent homes and irresponsible fathers, there is another thing that took place with the civil rights movement. Call it black pride, the glorification of their original continent or whatever, but it was a divisive movement, and sought to create a black culture that in some cases was a rebellion against traditional American culture. So instead of becoming a part of American society, to join in with those common shared values, they refused to melt into the American culture and formed their own. If that culture they all bought into was a good culture, with principled codes by which to live, a culture that placed value upon personal responsibility, that would be one thing, but that isn't the sort of culture that was created over the decades.

                  So, the problem is black culture, the bad parts of it. Bill Cosby has over the years addressed this, but has also been attacked for speaking the facts, by blacks and far left whites.

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                    Re: The root cause of Ferguson

                    I need to add to this thread-------------> I do not call them black, I call the African American out of deference to my grandchildrens father.

                    African Americans have been taught this crapola since they were young, just as BD has said. Not all, but most of them are low info voters who get their input from the main stream, and poverty pimps in general. We wonder how radical Muslims can think the way they do; the same way African Americans can. It is spoon fed to them from the time they are born.

                    African Americans are taught that all rich business owners are republicans, (lie) and all business owners hate them. (double lie) They are taught they have no chance because of the color of their skin, as white America will "keep them in their place." (we elected a black President)

                    They do not see themselves as American, but are totally clannish in the African American community. They do not want to be assimilated into the general American community, because they are taught we are out to destroy them. (as an aside, if we can't assimilate our own citizens for a better life, how are we going to do that with 5, 6, or 10 million Hispanics who don't trust us either?)

                    African Americans will not even turn in their "gangsters or gangstas" as they call them, because they are that clannish. When you engage an African American in discussion about the disparity of black males to white males in prison, they point over, and over, and over again that this shows racism................until you remind them that if they are released, they will return to THEIR communities, and not white Americas. Do they want them there you ask? Oh hell NO they don't, and they will tell you that. Is that reverse racism? Most of the time, it does not compute.

                    And finally, the reason this stuff continues to go on is because Americans have been cowed. The police have been cowed. And you know what..............everyone knows it. It is NOT politically correct to point out what is actually going on, and if you do, you are instantly a racist. What none African American wants to be labeled a racist?

                    The inmates, and poverty pimps, are running the asylum, and to go along while getting along, we keep our mouths shut. As Americans across the political spectrum, we have to wonder how long we can hide! Some of these poverty pimps should be arrested for subversion, and inciting a riot. Good luck with that as long as we keep our mouths shut. Most African Americans have no idea what goes on outside of their 20 block area in the inner city. All they know is, "whitey is out there, and he wants to kill me." If you look on the internet at pictures, these inner cities have NOTHING on Beirut.

                    When the USSR was in business and their athletes and people came here, they wanted to defect. Same with Cuba, and the whole Eastern bloc. It is time to force those in our 20 block areas to join the American dream, and they will want to stay in "real America" too!

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                    • #11
                      Re: The root cause of Ferguson

                      Originally posted by tsquare View Post
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                      Prediction: This thread will be ignored by the left...
                      Why don't you add in Jim Crow (southern legal style and de facto northern style), after the Civil War? Give us your opinion on how this encouraged assimilation or greater trust in the dominant culture (Anglo-american?) Give us some details on why the GOP lost the African American vote at around the same time the Dixiecrats were barely disengaging from the KKK. Who would switch their vote from the party that freed the slaves to the party that was tolerant of black lynchings in the south? This was FDR, before welfare, so we don't have much in the way of vote-buying. Bad schools since "racism was made illegal" in the mid-60's have not improved the chances of African Americans.

                      Prediction: this trio of giant elephants in the room will be ignored by the right.

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                      • #12
                        Re: The root cause of Ferguson

                        Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                        LBJ's War on Poverty pretty much destroyed the black family. He made it where black women no longer needed a husband in their life to survive. In fact, they could live much better without one. They were paid to have children, the more they had the more money they got from the tax payers. Several generations of black kids with no father are now producing kids and feel no obligation to be a father to them. It's the typical results of liberal left wing programs and the unintended consequences thereof.
                        Here is one thing the AA community understands about the war on poverty:
                        ...economy in the 1960s, led to a reduction in the number of people living in poverty from around 19 percent to a historic low of 11.1 percent by the early 1970s.
                        Black History Facts 365
                        Read More Here Are We Winning The War On Poverty?

                        Specifically, welfare destroying the family by encouraging fathers to leave, was not supported by Martin Luther King Jr. He supported marriage for parents:
                        Question: About two years ago, I was going with a young lady who became pregnant. I refused to marry her. As a result, I was directly responsible for a crime. It was not until a month later that I realized the awful thing I had done. ...
                        MLK: You have made a mistake. … One can never rectify a mistake until he admits that a mistake has been made. Now that you have prayed for forgiveness and acknowledged your mistake, you must turn your vision to the future. … Now that you have repented, don’t concentrate on what you failed to do in the past, but what you are determined to do in the future.
                        http://www.priestsforlife.org/africa...ality-abortion

                        Of course, since there are a variety of opinions about the subject within the AA community, not all agree with MLK that parents should always be married. It is a direct conclusion that MLK would not support welfare provisions that encourage single parent (mother) families.

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                          Re: The root cause of Ferguson

                          Do you guys think folks don't get pulled over for drving while being black? Or that some cops don't smash down kids that maintain eye contact for too long? How many white neighborhoods have ever had a policy of random searches in the street? Have you been to America lately?

                          What would your view of police be if great grandma, granpa, your mother, even yourself wouldn't be served at the lunch counter? It can't engender a happy reaction to seeing the police show up.
                          Last edited by JDJarvis; 08-22-2014, 03:44 AM.

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                          • #14
                            Re: The root cause of Ferguson

                            Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                            Do you guys think folks don't get pulled over for drving while being black? Or that some cops don't smash down kids that maintain eye contact for too long? How many white neighborhoods have ever had a policy of random searches in the street? Have you been to America lately?

                            What would your view of police be if great grandma, granpa, your mother, even yourself wouldn't be served at the lunch counter? It can't engender a happy reaction to seeing the police show up.
                            None of those people rioting on the streets of Ferguson were ever denied service at a lunch counter. Most never had a grandpa who was denied service. You can't live in the past for your entire life and blame the past for your failure today.

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                              Re: The root cause of Ferguson

                              Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                              Here is one thing the AA community understands about the war on poverty:

                              Black History Facts 365
                              Read More Here Are We Winning The War On Poverty?

                              Specifically, welfare destroying the family by encouraging fathers to leave, was not supported by Martin Luther King Jr. He supported marriage for parents:

                              http://www.priestsforlife.org/africa...ality-abortion

                              Of course, since there are a variety of opinions about the subject within the AA community, not all agree with MLK that parents should always be married. It is a direct conclusion that MLK would not support welfare provisions that encourage single parent (mother) families.
                              Being supported or not supported by MLK does not change the situation. The government, in its endless effort to "help" people screwed up again. Inserting government into any situation always screws up the natural order of things. Bankers would not have lent money to unqualified people if the government didn't force them to do it in the beginning and then insure the loans later. Young black girls would not have babies out of wedlock if the government didn't promise to provide them a home and food and other welfare benefits. College tuition would not have increased to astronomical numbers had the government not provided easy money to borrow for a college education. The old law of "if you want more of something, subsidize it, is very valid.

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