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Why is there always a racial background in almost every social problem?

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  • #16
    Re: Why is there always a racial background in almost every social problem?

    You can celebrate diversity without reinforcing division. Diversity should be about sharing not forcing acceptance and recognition.

    I had one black co worker say "negro please" to another black coworker and I laughed my ass off because I haven't heard the word in years and the lady saying it was embarassed she had used the word in front of me. Words don't hurt anyone it is how they are used.

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    • #17
      Re: Why is there always a racial background in almost every social problem?

      Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
      I think you are on the correct path here. There is big money in racism. Al and Jesse have lived a good life off of it. Politicians have lived a good life off of it and get reelected continually on it. If it goes away, their livelihoods go away.
      Yet racism will never go away, until man changes, from what he has been since he first gained self consciousness, so there will always be a way to make a living from racism.

      Having been raised under segregation here in the South, I can perceive that racism is no longer what it once was, here in the South. I cannot speak about other areas in the US. But here in the South, you see very little of it, with most of it coming from my generation, who grew up in a racist South. But in does still exist, yet if you see it in the younger crowd, it doesn't seem to be based upon skin color, but rather the character of those with dark skins.

      We had an incident in a town 20 miles from me, which is probably 90 per cent black these days, due to high birth rates in the black community, with most of those black families being headed by the mother as the father is still busy impregnating other black females. This impregnating black females, as many as possible, seems to be a badge of honor in the black culture. Anyways, to the incident, which didn't even make our local paper which is owned by a family who are liberal democrats, and a very old and rich family here.

      Two white residents of this town were about to enter a Huddle House to buy breakfast when a black person who was leaving the cafי advised them to not go inside. There were around 20 young black men inside, and the two white men, one who just got out of the Marines, thought it was a joke, or one of them did and entered anyways. He is now in a coma, as these 20 young black men tried to beat him to death, and perhaps may have succeeded. Yet no coverage, even locally?

      The reason given for trying to beat the guy to death was.....Ferguson. And racism, on the part of these blacks. Given that the media does not want to cover this sort of racism, one does wonder how many cases like this have occurred since the shooting at Ferguson?

      The truth here is this. There is probably as much racism coming from young blacks, when black americans are only 13 percent of the population in this nation, than is coming from white racism. Yet racism as exhibited by blacks, is oddly not covered at all. Until we start pointing out racism on both sides, we are not at all serious about racism at all.

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      • #18
        Re: Why is there always a racial background in almost every social problem?

        Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
        You can celebrate diversity without reinforcing division. Diversity should be about sharing not forcing acceptance and recognition.

        I had one black co worker say "negro please" to another black coworker and I laughed my ass off because I haven't heard the word in years and the lady saying it was embarassed she had used the word in front of me. Words don't hurt anyone it is how they are used.
        Well, in theory you can celebrate diversity without the division, but in the real world it's a rare thing, if it exists at all.

        The question is, why do we want to celebrate diversity? For being "different" and celebrating that will always create division. Why do we demand to be "different" from others?

        Why not emphasize the common humanity, instead of diversity? For emphasizing the commonality of all human beings is not a divisive thing at all, yet we see so little of it these days.

        I say for as long as some of us demand to be diverse, different, and then gang together, there will always be division in the real world. It is only in the theoretical world that it doesn't. Yet none of us live in a theoretical world, but a very real world, when you get down to brass tacks.

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        • #19
          Re: Why is there always a racial background in almost every social problem?

          Everyone drinks water but bringing water to a party is boring and cheap. Thats why celebrating diversity is good. Now if vegans start complaing people brought meat dishes to the party they aren't engaging a diverse setting they are trying to impose their subset of needs and desires on others and that's where diversity often goes wrong.

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          • #20
            Re: Why is there always a racial background in almost every social problem?

            Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
            As I said before, racial strife persists because there is money to be made keeping it alive.
            The arbiter of all has spoken! There are no other factors. Period. The End. No point to this thread. Done. Finito.

            Ridiculous.

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            • #21
              Re: Why is there always a racial background in almost every social problem?

              Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
              Everyone drinks water but bringing water to a party is boring and cheap. Thats why celebrating diversity is good. Now if vegans start complaing people brought meat dishes to the party they aren't engaging a diverse setting they are trying to impose their subset of needs and desires on others and that's where diversity often goes wrong.

              If everyone brings water, have a pool party. It still ends up greater than the sum of its parts.

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              • #22
                Re: Why is there always a racial background in almost every social problem?

                Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                Everyone drinks water but bringing water to a party is boring and cheap. Thats why celebrating diversity is good. Now if vegans start complaing people brought meat dishes to the party they aren't engaging a diverse setting they are trying to impose their subset of needs and desires on others and that's where diversity often goes wrong.
                I understand what you're saying. I work with folks who have various dietary requirements so when we celebrate it's an opportunity to share what we eat with others, or at the least, to share a table. Most folks bring food to suit their own requirements. I work with some people who are vegans & I've noticed there seem to be vegan-friendly & vegan-hostile folks.

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                • #23
                  Re: Why is there always a racial background in almost every social problem?

                  Originally posted by Quinn View Post
                  The arbiter of all has spoken! There are no other factors. Period. The End. No point to this thread. Done. Finito.

                  Ridiculous.
                  Yes, I am sad to say that money isn't the factor that keeps it alive. It's human nature, ego nature it seems. And it involves a desire of the ego to be better, superior to other egos.

                  As we divide inwardly, we are doomed to divide outwardly. This will manifest as racism, class division, religious division, political division, cultural division. The fact of the matter of course is that human consciousness is one consciousness, all of the same stream of consciousness. The rise of the ego gives us the illusion that we are separate, and this is where the inner division is born. This division manifests outwardly, and is society. Therefore we are conflicted inwardly, and society is also in conflict because of the inner state of being. That is the fact of the matter, is the evidence for it is there, if one only looks inwardly and sees what is going on.

                  The only hope for an end to all of this lies in religion, but not religion as we know it, which is just a part of the division and conflict. It lies in what most world religions at one time taught, and who's founders tried to teach humanity. We created this mess, and only through man, through a change in man, will we ever solve it and finally ascend to our place in this universe that is not out of step with it. When humanity finally thrives like the rest of nature thrives, we will have arrived! For we are the only species that doesn't naturally thrive as a whole. We are quite unnatural really. Being out of harmony, being unnatural in itself creates insolvable problems. Let us hope that at some point Intelligence finally trumps ignorance.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Why is there always a racial background in almost every social problem?

                    Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                    Yes, I am sad to say that money isn't the factor that keeps it alive. It's human nature, ego nature it seems. And it involves a desire of the ego to be better, superior to other egos.

                    As we divide inwardly, we are doomed to divide outwardly. This will manifest as racism, class division, religious division, political division, cultural division. The fact of the matter of course is that human consciousness is one consciousness, all of the same stream of consciousness. The rise of the ego gives us the illusion that we are separate, and this is where the inner division is born. This division manifests outwardly, and is society. Therefore we are conflicted inwardly, and society is also in conflict because of the inner state of being. That is the fact of the matter, is the evidence for it is there, if one only looks inwardly and sees what is going on.

                    The only hope for an end to all of this lies in religion, but not religion as we know it, which is just a part of the division and conflict. It lies in what most world religions at one time taught, and who's founders tried to teach humanity. We created this mess, and only through man, through a change in man, will we ever solve it and finally ascend to our place in this universe that is not out of step with it. When humanity finally thrives like the rest of nature thrives, we will have arrived! For we are the only species that doesn't naturally thrive as a whole. We are quite unnatural really.
                    Personally, critical thinking is a more hopeful avenue. Think in terms of thought!

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                    • #25
                      Re: Why is there always a racial background in almost every social problem?

                      Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                      Might be a case of people fighting the wrong battles. Rather than spending much time on making sure public figures in the entertainment sector don't say racist things, they should work on making sure that students have the same amount of money spent on their public education, regardless of skin color or economic class.

                      The former battle is arguably more "sexy", however. So the kids get put on the back burner of public debate. The other stuff -tribalism as mentioned by Blue Doggy and Sluggo- won't go away anytime soon. Best to be aware of it and learn how to deal with it depending on the situation. One situation might require serious conflict resolution, another might require mockery and/or comedy to highlight stupid behavior.
                      The schools in urban areas have tons of money being spent on them. The problem is that the kids don't go to school to learn. There is no culture of learning. Also, a lot of money has to be spent on security systems and higher quality teachers don't want to go somewhere where they are not listened to or their safety is in danger.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Why is there always a racial background in almost every social problem?

                        Originally posted by fishjoel View Post
                        The schools in urban areas have tons of money being spent on them. The problem is that the kids don't go to school to learn. There is no culture of learning. Also, a lot of money has to be spent on security systems and higher quality teachers don't want to go somewhere where they are not listened to or their safety is in danger.
                        fish,

                        Look at other countries examples... One of the most obvious is used by others is University Acceptance, Ireland like many other countries in Europe has close to free university education to the highest level... Entry to the course you want is done by supply and demand (that is a capitalist thing), it is all related to how you score in the state exams...

                        Most do 7 subjects with 6 subjects counting (need to pass Math, English and Foreign language)... Points generally range from 100 down to 5 points per subject...
                        Points then advertisedhttp://www2.cao.ie/points/l8.php...

                        If you are bright enough and workhard you are rewarded, it is not on much money Daddy has and we will not burned you with massive death leaving college...

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                        • #27
                          Re: Why is there always a racial background in almost every social problem?

                          Originally posted by Tameamea View Post
                          The more I read recent news, the more I face a simple fact: almost every event, especially if it’s has something to do with social problems, is covered and discussed in the context of race. So many racial comments! So many explanations of different problems via racial reasons! Even government officials (you know who I am talking about) use race as a trigger, leverage or whatever to get certain result.
                          Isn’t it disgusting? We have spent so much time and effort to create a just society where everyone is equal – and what? Why are we still as racist as we used to be a century ago, with only difference – we pretend not to be?
                          Be happy about it. Its forbidden in Europe, no joke, I have tried it. And just in case if you want to know what the consequences are, just hack "Rotherham", "Mirror" and "250" into a search engine.

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                          • #28
                            Re: Why is there always a racial background in almost every social problem?

                            Originally posted by CowboyTed View Post
                            fish,

                            Look at other countries examples... One of the most obvious is used by others is University Acceptance, Ireland like many other countries in Europe has close to free university education to the highest level... Entry to the course you want is done by supply and demand (that is a capitalist thing), it is all related to how you score in the state exams...

                            Most do 7 subjects with 6 subjects counting (need to pass Math, English and Foreign language)... Points generally range from 100 down to 5 points per subject...
                            Points then advertisedhttp://www2.cao.ie/points/l8.php...

                            If you are bright enough and workhard you are rewarded, it is not on much money Daddy has and we will not burned you with massive death leaving college...
                            First, nothing if free. It may be free to one but not free. I agree with subsidizing students based on societal need and on the ability and hard work of students. However, in this country, there are those who believe it is more important to achieve diversity than it is to promote hard work and talent. There those who believe that you can't subsidize physics and not queer theory. Our culture is different from yours in many ways and from your description, I like yours better.

                            Also, even if you granted free college education through college to all, it would not change the dominant minority disdain for education.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Why is there always a racial background in almost every social problem?

                              Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                              First, nothing if free. It may be free to one but not free. I agree with subsidizing students based on societal need and on the ability and hard work of students. However, in this country, there are those who believe it is more important to achieve diversity than it is to promote hard work and talent. There those who believe that you can't subsidize physics and not queer theory. Our culture is different from yours in many ways and from your description, I like yours better.

                              Also, even if you granted free college education through college to all, it would not change the dominant minority disdain for education.
                              Guess what... If money is taken out of the equation we see the demand go to places where there is jobs...

                              Also if you give everyone a fair chance in a very transparent system then you will see kids from poorer backgrounds in better courses...



                              So while you spout of about the land of the free, the truth is you are more likely to be born poor in denmark(or France, Germany.....) and succeed than in the US... The land of opportunity by empirical evidence is not so opportune any more... And don't blame Liberal, because the countries which offer better chances are more liberal than US...

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                                Re: Why is there always a racial background in almost every social problem?

                                Originally posted by CowboyTed View Post
                                Guess what... If money is taken out of the equation we see the demand go to places where there is jobs...

                                Also if you give everyone a fair chance in a very transparent system then you will see kids from poorer backgrounds in better courses...



                                So while you spout of about the land of the free, the truth is you are more likely to be born poor in denmark(or France, Germany.....) and succeed than in the US... The land of opportunity by empirical evidence is not so opportune any more... And don't blame Liberal, because the countries which offer better chances are more liberal than US...
                                Actually, the poorest in this country are actually at an advantage at getting college scholarships, grants, and cheap loans. The more your parents make, the less of each of the above is available to you. My daughter qualified for no government grants whatsoever because my wife and I made too much money. My son in law, on the other hand was from a poor family with 6 children. He got quite a bit of government assistance. It cost me very little to pick up the remainder of his costs. Money is not the cause of the failure of minorities to succeed in this country.

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