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  • Massive Journalistic Malparactice from Conservative Media

    I expect and witness garbage like this from FOX News every day but the WSJ stopping to this level is new to me. It's gotten to the point where conservative media must lie in order to fool people like many on this forum into believing in an alternate reality.

    http://www.rove.com/articles/556

    Originally posted by Karl Rove
    It explains why Thom Tillis won in North Carolina though he was outspent by Democratic Sen. Kay Hagan by $23 million to $9 million.

    The WSJ actually let Rove write this. It's a bold faced lie and if a news outlet I got info from did this to me they wouldn't be my news outlet anymore. It's the reason why so many conservatives believe things that aren't true and are so poorly informed. The left prides itself on proper journalism with proper facts and proper disclosure. I see nothing but falsehoods and propaganda on the right. And I'm not even talking about choosing to cover right or left stories. That's fine. You wanna cover Ebola, Keystone, ISIS etc whatever your readers want. But those stories should be factual.

    If you are wondering what is so wrong about Rove's claim it's because he neglected to mention his own group in conjunction with the Kochs spent $24M against Hagan. But no, he wants his readers to believe that Tillis was outspent which is false.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/06/us...-off.html?_r=0

    Together, Crossroads and the Koch groups spent almost $24 million on ads bolstering Mr. Tillis or attacking Senator Kay Hagan, the Democratic candidate.

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    How much did the unions spend on Hagan Danny?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Commodore View Post
      How much did the unions spend on Hagan Danny?
      It's difficult to assertain. I was able to dig this up but it's not conclusive as to how much outside money was spent attacking Tillis.

      http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2014...side-spending/

      Tillis likely knows all too well how thoroughly super PACs have blanketed North Carolina with advertising this year: Outside groups have spent more money ($17.6 million) attacking him this cycle than any other candidate. Only $7.5 million has been spent opposing Hagan, but that excludes spending that isnt reported to the FEC such as the barrage of ads earlier in the cycle by Americans for Prosperity, another Koch-funded group, attacking her for supporting Obamacare without explicitly saying to vote against her.
      Not counting that unreported spending, the race is as even in outside money as it is in the polls. Excluding outlays meant to influence the Republican primary, $27.6 million has been spent supporting Hagan or attacking Tillis, versus $25.4 million spent attacking Hagan or supporting Tillis. For comparison, Hagan and Tillis reported raising less than $30 million through the end of September combined. The largest outside spender in the race, the Democratic ally Senate Majority PAC, has spent just over $10 million, the most by a single committee in any race this cycle.
      One thing is for sure: so much outside money being spent (by anyone) is an affront to Democray in my opinion. Since Ctitzens United isn't going anywhere, the least news organizations ought to do is disclose any facts such as how much is being spent, by whom and most importantly - if one of their contributors is actually spending in the race himself!!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Danny View Post

        It's difficult to assertain. I was able to dig this up but it's not conclusive as to how much outside money was spent attacking Tillis.

        http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2014...side-spending/


        One thing is for sure: so much outside money being spent (by anyone) is an affront to Democray in my opinion. Since Ctitzens United isn't going anywhere, the least news organizations ought to do is disclose any facts such as how much is being spent, by whom and most importantly - if one of their contributors is actually spending in the race himself!!
        We don't have a republic, we have an oligarchy. Oligarchies throw lots of money at the election process. Afterall, they corrupted the republic by using their money in the first place.

        But I expect the conservatives to play ball like corporations play ball, dirty, lowdown unethical. They don't worship the big corporations for nothing. Both are economic and social darwinists. They make a great team.

        Now, I gotta get back to my FOX News, just to see how many times they attack Obama today. They got quite a run going on. It started one day after he won in 08, well one day after he took office in 09. It's really good now after the repubs took the senate. The team at FOX needs extra hankies to wipe the salivation that is dribbling down their lips. After Boehner had his little news conference. those choice parts where he talks about Obama poisoning the well, if he does the exec. order on immigration is lining things up for the repubs to do as they always intended, which is nothing about immigration. LOL. These guys are so transparent, and so easy to read. In their hatred for Obama, they will screw up any opportunity given to them, as they always do. But isn't that what we have come to expect from this Jr. League?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Danny View Post
          One thing is for sure: so much outside money being spent (by anyone) is an affront to Democracy in my opinion. Since Ctitzens United isn't going anywhere, the least news organizations ought to do is disclose any facts such as how much is being spent, by whom and most importantly - if one of their contributors is actually spending in the race himself!!
          Groups of people pooling their resources of their own free will and choice is an affront to democracy, but a shadowy organization that skims money off the top of everyone's paycheck to back politicians they may or may not support is a ok.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post

            We don't have a republic, we have an oligarchy. Oligarchies throw lots of money at the election process. Afterall, they corrupted the republic by using their money in the first place.

            But I expect the conservatives to play ball like corporations play ball, dirty, lowdown unethical. They don't worship the big corporations for nothing. Both are economic and social darwinists. They make a great team.

            Now, I gotta get back to my FOX News, just to see how many times they attack Obama today. They got quite a run going on. It started one day after he won in 08, well one day after he took office in 09. It's really good now after the repubs took the senate. The team at FOX needs extra hankies to wipe the salivation that is dribbling down their lips. After Boehner had his little news conference. those choice parts where he talks about Obama poisoning the well, if he does the exec. order on immigration is lining things up for the repubs to do as they always intended, which is nothing about immigration. LOL. These guys are so transparent, and so easy to read. In their hatred for Obama, they will screw up any opportunity given to them, as they always do. But isn't that what we have come to expect from this Jr. League?

            You are hung up on this oligarchy crap but it wasn't millions of oligarchs who voted on Tuesday. Nobody bought my vote, maybe somebody bought yours. Maybe throwing money at an election influences your vote but it doesn't influence mine or any of the people I talk to who are tired of paying money into a dysfunctional government, tired of supporting illegal aliens when Americans are unemployed, tired of having the government tell us what type of medical insurance is available for us to buy. I could go on for a long time but it was not money from the Koch brothers bought my vote. If they made information available to voters that the MSM otherwise would not have made available, good for them.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post


              You are hung up on this oligarchy crap but it wasn't millions of oligarchs who voted on Tuesday. Nobody bought my vote, maybe somebody bought yours. Maybe throwing money at an election influences your vote but it doesn't influence mine or any of the people I talk to who are tired of paying money into a dysfunctional government, tired of supporting illegal aliens when Americans are unemployed, tired of having the government tell us what type of medical insurance is available for us to buy. I could go on for a long time but it was not money from the Koch brothers bought my vote. If they made information available to voters that the MSM otherwise would not have made available, good for them.
              I choose to embrace and live in the reality, and that reality is we are living in an oligarchy. An oligarchy will not have viable canidates that are not coming from the two parties. The oligarchy has to use the two parties, and they did years ago to finally move us from a real republic into an oligarchy. You think that voting for one or the other party will somehow insure we are still in a republic. And as long as we can vote, this does resemble a republic, but the system is rigged, so that the choices are limited, and whether you choose the dems or the repubs, the oligarchy remains. There is evidence for this all over the place, but its not highly visible, and if something like that study I talk about comes along, what happens? You do realize that only a few people know about that study, that shows us to be moving, if not already there into an oligarchy, right? I doubt if I had not mentioned it, you would know a thing about it. For FOX and CTR sure didn't touch it, and most of MSM didn't either. And it died, without being revealed to the voters, which is more evidence. For it really was the biggest news story since 9-11, yet it was ignored. Can you think of a good reason for that to be the fact of the matter?

              I don't think you really care if the republic is dead or not. And for you, money being spent on elections doesn't matter because you vote your ideological beliefs. You have had a lifetime for them to be entrenched, to become a part of your self identity. But young people join the election process each year. They have yet to build up a hard ideological belief system, and that is the target of money spent. And if they get their news from MSM, they are oblivious to the fact that we are turning, or have turned into an oligarchy. So, the system is rigged, to steer them to the dems or the republs, and to remain ignorant as to what is actually going on in this nation. If these young people get attracted to someone like the Pauls, MSM dismisses the Pauls as nutty, as the crazy uncle or crazy cousin we must put up with at family get togethers. Remember what happened in MSM, including FOX, especially FOX and CTR when ron paul ran? What is so obvious will never be noticed by people like you, who have entrenched ideologically driven belief systems. And the system is rigged to go after the new voters, to bring them into the fold, with that fold being an oligarchy.



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              • #8
                Originally posted by Danny View Post

                It's difficult to assertain. I was able to dig this up but it's not conclusive as to how much outside money was spent attacking Tillis.
                So as it turns out, the media was correct in general - Tillis was outspent.


                Originally posted by Danny View Post
                One thing is for sure: so much outside money being spent (by anyone) is an affront to Democray in my opinion. Since Ctitzens United isn't going anywhere, the least news organizations ought to do is disclose any facts such as how much is being spent, by whom and most importantly - if one of their contributors is actually spending in the race himself!!
                This is hysterical. Danny is offended by outsiders trying to influence elections? Can this be the same Danny who, as a foreigner, incessantly tells Americans how to vote, seeks to silence dissent, and even demands that we re-structure our system of government to fit his partisan agenda?

                And he's offended about "outsiders" and their "affronts to Democracy"?

                ROFLMAO. That is some funny shit, right there.

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                • #9
                  I think the saddest part of this is that some at the top believe elections are won or lost solely by whoever spent the most.

                  Maybe I'm old fashioned but what happened to elections beint decided by politicians convincing the electorate they have the best ideas about how to run things for the next few years.

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                  • #10
                    I wonder how much of the recent economic activity thats being touted was due to election spending. Over a billion dollars were spent by candidates and outside groups just in senate races.

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                    • #11
                      The sheer volume of money involved in US politics is staggering and mystifying to the rest of the world.
                      Even adjusted for country size and population differences the comparison to the UK and I would imagine all of Europe is amazing.
                      over $1 billion for each side for a mid term election is insane and it's no wonder you have politicians who spend more time trying to drum up money than do the job you pay them for.

                      That should be a national scandal but somehow it's not seen as a problem and indeed I get people defending the huge sums spent which is also mystifying.

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                      • #12
                        If it works, it stimulates the economy as CYD observes. If it doesn't work, it puts an exciting battle for electoral win in perspective. Let's say it's what a skillful gamer might be looking at while he's enjoying a spectacular win on the final level of a difficult vid game. ....Just before the car he's driving launches off the edge of a cliff at 100 mph.

                        Gotta admit, it's spectacular any way you look at it.

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                        • #13
                          I'd rather have politicians who spend most of their time doing the job we pay them for rather than going out and fundraising.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                            The sheer volume of money involved in US politics is staggering and mystifying to the rest of the world.
                            Even adjusted for country size and population differences the comparison to the UK and I would imagine all of Europe is amazing.
                            over $1 billion for each side for a mid term election is insane and it's no wonder you have politicians who spend more time trying to drum up money than do the job you pay them for.

                            That should be a national scandal but somehow it's not seen as a problem and indeed I get people defending the huge sums spent which is also mystifying.
                            I imagine many of those that defend the money involved feel that it doesn't matter how their men get elected, just that they get elected. If it turns the nation from a republic into an oligarchy, well, that is ok, just as long as their men get elected. No doubt some of these men also think those with great wealth are smarter than the ditch digger, and their vision of what this nation should be is superior to that of the ditch digger.

                            Personally, I would want to see the most intelligent men, who also have great ethics, and who are incorruptible. Money doesn't put these men in. It puts in the men who will accept the big money. And big money has self interested strings attached.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Danny View Post
                              I expect and witness garbage like this from FOX News every day but the WSJ stopping to this level is new to me. It's gotten to the point where conservative media must lie in order to fool people like many on this forum into believing in an alternate reality.

                              http://www.rove.com/articles/556




                              The WSJ actually let Rove write this. It's a bold faced lie and if a news outlet I got info from did this to me they wouldn't be my news outlet anymore. It's the reason why so many conservatives believe things that aren't true and are so poorly informed. The left prides itself on proper journalism with proper facts and proper disclosure. I see nothing but falsehoods and propaganda on the right. And I'm not even talking about choosing to cover right or left stories. That's fine. You wanna cover Ebola, Keystone, ISIS etc whatever your readers want. But those stories should be factual.

                              If you are wondering what is so wrong about Rove's claim it's because he neglected to mention his own group in conjunction with the Kochs spent $24M against Hagan. But no, he wants his readers to believe that Tillis was outspent which is false.

                              http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/06/us...-off.html?_r=0
                              Danny, you Faux outrage is as humorous as it is partisan.

                              (CNSNews.com) -- Three local NBC affiliates and their corporate parent company gave a total of $40,000 to Ross Miller, the Democratic candidate for state attorney general in Nevada, but reportedly failed to mention that fact to viewers during their coverage of the hotly contested race. On Tuesday, Miller who is currently Nevadas secretary of state - lost his race against underdog Republican Adam Laxalt by a one-point margin. Laxalt managed to overcome an early 17-point deficit to eke out a 46-to-45 victory on a night in which the GOP swept Nevadas top state races.
                              Miller raised $2.1 million during the campaign, according to the expense report he filed with his own office a day before the Nov. 4 election.
                              According to the expense account, Miller received a $10,000 donation, the maximum contribution allowed, from Intermountain West Communications Co., the owner of Nevadas three NBC stations, between Oct. 11 and Oct. 30.
                              He also received another $10,000 each from KRNV (News 4) in Reno, KENV (News 10) in Elko, and KSNV (News 3) in Las Vegas. According to Miller's expense report, the contributions were all made on October 17, one day before Nevada began early voting, which ended on October 31.
                              Laxalt raised a total of $1.3 million during the campaign, but none of the contributions he received during the same reporting period came from a media company.
                              3 NBC Stations in Nevada Didn't Disclose $10K Donations to Democratic Candidate
                              This development shatters the illusion that TV news reporting is not a passive reporter of facts, but in fact is an active supporter of political ideologies, most often Democratic / Liberal / Progressive.

                              I suppose that there's no way to continue to believe that the Biased Lame Stream Media isn't exactly that, especially the case for these 3 TV stations.

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