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  • Are you an American Taliban

    I feel like I'm arguing with the Taliban on this forum. Totally adverse to facts, totally blind to reality. Why is this? It's no wonder you don't have any liberals here anymore.

    Will McAvoy put it perfectly:

    Ideological purity
    Compromise as weakness
    A fundamentalist belief in scriptural literalism
    Denying science
    Unmoved by facts
    Undeterred by new information
    A hostile fear of progress
    A demonization of education
    A need to control women’s bodies
    Severe xenophobia
    Tribal mentality
    Intolerance of dissent
    A pathological hatred of the US government

    The Newsroom - Tea Party is the American Taliban - YouTube


    If you don't have 6 min to watch it read the transcript here:

    Good Evening, I’m Will McAvoy. Today is Monday, August 8 [2011]. And this past Friday, for the first time ever, Standard and Poor’s downgraded the credit rating of the US Treasury. You would think that would be tonight’s top story. Or you might think it would be the Dow closing down 634 points on its worst day of trading in 3 years. Or the austerity riots in Europe. Or any statements of the Republican candidates running for president. Or the President himself. But it’s not.

    Tonight’s top story is a woman named Dorothy Cooper.

    Dorothy Cooper is a 96 year old resident of Chattanooga Tennessee and has been voting for the last 75 years. This year, she has been told she can’t. A new law in Tennessee requires residents to show a government issued photo ID in order to vote. Dorothy Cooper doesn’t have a driver’s license, because Dorothy Cooper doesn’t have a car. Dorothy Cooper doesn’t have a passport; a vacation abroad was never in her future.

    Tennessee isn’t alone. At this moment, 33 states have proposed or already adopted the same voter I.D. laws that have disqualified Dorothy Cooper from the one fundamental thing that we all do as Americans. It’s estimated that 11% or roughly 20 million people don’t have government issued voter I.D.’s and will be disenfranchised this November. Why? To crack down on the terrible problem of voter fraud. Governor Rick Perry of Texas, who is about to enter the presidential primary race, is serious about cracking down on the problem:

    [Video Of James Richard "Rick" Perry (born March 4, 1950)]
    “Making sure that there is not fraud, making sure that someone is not manipulating that process makes all the sense in the world to me.”

    [Will McAvoy]
    To me too. Because voter fraud is such a huge problem that during a five year period in the Bush Administration, when 196 million votes were cast, the number of cases of voter fraud reached 86. Not 86,000. 86. Here’s what that number looks like as a percentage of votes cast. .00004%. Four one hundred thousandths of a percent. This would be called a solution without a problem, but it’s not. It’s just a solution to a different problem.

    Republican’s have a hard time getting certain people to vote for them. So life would be a lot easier if certain people just weren’t allowed to vote at all. I’m ashamed to say that 32 out of the 33 voter I.D. laws were proposed by Republican legislators, and passed by Republican controlled statehouses. And signed into law by Republican governors. I am not ashamed to say that I, however, am a Republican. And that brings us to tonight’s second story.

    I’m what the leaders of the Tea Party would call a RINO: Republican in Name Only. And that’s ironic because that’s exactly what I think about the leaders of the Tea Party. Because the most conservative Republicans today aren’t Republicans.

    Republicans believe in a prohibitive military. We believe in a common sense government. And that there are social programs enacted in the last half century that work but that there are way too many costing way too much, that don’t. We believe in the rule of law and order and free market capitalism. The Tea Party believes in loving America but hating Americans. Tea Party Congressman; Allen West of Florida.

    I must confess, when I see anyone with an Obama bumper sticker, I recogonize them as a threat to the gene pool.

    On LYBIO.net you can find – The Largest community of text-script-video blogging service. http://www.lybio.net

    They believe in loving America, but hating its government. Conservative activist, Grover Norquist.

    [Video Of Grover Glenn Norquist (October 19, 1956)] Source: LYBIO.net
    I don’t want to abolish government, I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.

    [Will McAvoy]
    And they believe that anybody who disagrees with the Tea Party has sinister anti-American motives.

    [Video Of Herman Cain (December 13, 1945)]
    The objective of the liberals is to destroy this country. The objective of the liberals is to make America mediocre.

    [Will McAvoy]
    Most of all, you must never, under any circumstance, seek to reach a compromise with your opponent. Or do any of what Democrats and genuine Republicans both call ‘governing.’ Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell:

    [Video Of Addison Mitchell "Mitch" McConnell, Jr. (February 20, 1942)]
    Our top political priority over the next two years should be to deny President Obama a second term.

    [Will McAvoy] Source: LYBIO.net
    And one other plank in the Tea Party platform. If you are poor, it means that you are either too lazy or too stupid to be rich. Here’s Andre Bauer, Tea Party Leader and the Lt. Governor of South Carolina [Bauer’s Words McAvoy Read’s]: My grandmother was not a highly educated woman but she told me as a small child to quit feeding stray animals. You know why? Because they breed.”

    It’s almost hard to believe that Republicans can’t get Dorothy Cooper to vote for them.

    During Tea Party rallys and in campaign speeches, we’ve been told that America has been founded as a Christian nation and if the founding fathers were here today, they’d tell us so. Here’s John Adams in the treaty of Tripoli: “As the government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.” And here’s Thomas Jefferson: “…that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions.” And here’s the first amendment to the US Constitution: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.”

    [Will McAvoy]
    What’s more frightening than the perversion of our great history is that sensible strong smart Republicans, the very men and women who should be standing up to radical fundamentalism, are so frightened in losing primary battles to religious zealots that they’ve thrown in the towel on sanity. So we get this:

    [Video Of John Sidney McCain III (August 29, 1936)]
    Yes, that the constitution established the United States as a Christian nation.

    [Will McAvoy]
    It’s ironic because the biggest enemy of the phony Republican isn’t Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid or Hillary Clinton or Barak Obama. It’s this man. [image of Jesus Christ displays]. He said ‘Heal the sick. Feed the hungry. Care for the weakest among us. And always pray in private. ‘

    [Will McAvoy - Reads On The Screen]
    Ideological purity
    Compromise as weakness
    A fundamentalist belief in scriptural literalism
    Denying science
    Unmoved by facts
    Undeterred by new information
    A hostile fear of progress
    A demonization of education
    A need to control women’s bodies
    Severe xenophobia
    Tribal mentality
    Intolerance of dissent
    A pathological hatred of the US government


    [Will McAvoy] Source: LYBIO.net
    They can call themselves the Tea Party. They can call themselves Conservatives. And they can even call themselves Republicans. Though Republican’s certainly shouldn’t. But we should call them what they are: The American Taliban. And the American Taliban cannot survive if Dorothy Cooper is allowed to vote.

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    Re: Are you an American Taliban

    Ideological purity
    Compromise as weakness
    A fundamentalist belief in scriptural literalism
    Denying science
    Unmoved by facts
    Undeterred by new information
    A hostile fear of progress
    A demonization of education
    A need to control women’s bodies
    Severe xenophobia
    Tribal mentality
    Intolerance of dissent
    A pathological hatred of the US government
    Damn, that defines a conservative in America. LOL.

    Now, they will call you out and demand evidence, as they need evidence from any liberal that states the sun will rise tomorrow.

    Clever man, clever.

    Yet, they will also be proud of the way they are, just like the Taliban. And will fight you over their deeply held beliefs. But thankfully, just verbally.

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    • #3
      Re: Are you an American Taliban

      I'll just leave this here, and see how Danny reacts....

      The War on Poverty Has Been a Colossal Flop

      Today, the U.S. Census Bureau will release its annual report on poverty. This report is noteworthy because this year marks the 50th anniversary of President Lyndon Johnson’s launch of the War on Poverty. Liberals claim that the War on Poverty has failed because we didn’t spend enough money. Their answer is just to spend more. But the facts show otherwise.

      Since its beginning, U.S. taxpayers have spent $22 trillion on Johnson’s War on Poverty (in constant 2012 dollars). Adjusting for inflation, that’s three times more than was spent on all military wars since the American Revolution.

      The federal government currently runs more than 80 means-tested welfare programs. These programs provide cash, food, housing and medical care to low-income Americans. Federal and state spending on these programs last year was $943 billion. (These figures do not include Social Security, Medicare, or Unemployment Insurance.)

      Over 100 million people, about one third of the U.S. population, received aid from at least one welfare program at an average cost of $9,000 per recipient in 2013. If converted into cash, current means-tested spending is five times the amount needed to eliminate all poverty in the U.S.

      But today the Census will almost certainly proclaim that around 14 percent of Americans are still poor. The present poverty rate is almost exactly the same as it was in 1967 a few years after the War on Poverty started. Census data actually shows that poverty has gotten worse over the last 40 years.


      How is this possible? How can the taxpayers spend $22 trillion on welfare while poverty gets worse?

      The answer is it isn’t possible. Census counts a family as poor if its income falls below specified thresholds. But in counting family “income,” Census ignores nearly the entire $943 billion welfare state.


      For most Americans, the word “poverty” means significant material deprivation, an inability to provide a family with adequate nutritious food, reasonable shelter and clothing. But only a small portion of the more than 40 million people labelled as poor by Census fit that description.


      The media frequently associate the idea of poverty with being homeless. But less than two percent of the poor are homeless. Only one in ten live in mobile homes. The typical house or apartment of the poor is in good repair and uncrowded; it is actually larger than the average dwelling of non-poor French, Germans or English.


      According to government surveys, the typical family that Census identifies as poor has air conditioning, cable or satellite TV, and a computer in his home. Forty percent have a wide screen HDTV and another 40 percent have internet access. Three quarters of the poor own a car and roughly a third have two or more cars. (These numbers are not the result of the current bad economy pushing middle class families into poverty; instead, they reflect a steady improvement in living conditions among the poor for many decades.)

      The intake of protein, vitamins and minerals by poor children is virtually identical with upper middle class kids. According to surveys by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, the overwhelming majority of poor people report they were not hungry even for a single day during the prior year.


      We can be grateful that the living standards of all Americans, including the poor, have risen in the past half century, but the War on Poverty has not succeeded according to Johnson’s original goal. Johnson’s aim was not to prop up living standards by making more and more people dependent on an ever larger welfare state. Instead, Johnson sought to increase self-sufficiency, the ability of a family to support itself out of poverty without dependence on welfare aid. Johnson asserted that the War on Poverty would actually shrink the welfare rolls and transform the poor from “taxeaters” into “taxpayers.”


      Judged by that standard, the War on Poverty has been a colossal flop. The welfare state has undermined self-sufficiency by discouraging work and penalizing marriage. When the War on Poverty began seven percent of children were born outside marriage. Today, 42 percent of children are. By eroding marriage, the welfare state has made many Americans less capable of self-support than they were when the War on Poverty began.

      President Obama plans to spend $13 trillion dollars on means-tested welfare over the next decade. Most of this spending will flow through traditional welfare programs that discourage the keys to self-sufficiency: work and marriage.


      Rather than doubling down on the mistakes of the past, we should restructure the welfare state around Johnson’s original goal: increasing Americans capacity for self-support. Welfare should no longer be a one way hand out; able-bodied recipients of cash, food and housing should be required to work or prepare for work as condition of receiving aid. Welfare’s penalties against marriage should be reduced. By returning to the original vision of aiding the poor to aid themselves, we can begin, in Johnson’s words, to “replace their despair with opportunity.”

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        Re: Are you an American Taliban

        Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
        Damn, that defines a conservative in America. LOL.

        Now, they will call you out and demand evidence, as they need evidence from any liberal that states the sun will rise tomorrow.

        Clever man, clever.

        Yet, they will also be proud of the way they are, just like the Taliban. And will fight you over their deeply held beliefs. But thankfully, just verbally.
        Don't be ridiculous: We need no "evidence" that we are not as you and the Canadian accuse us of being. After all, you cannot prove a negative: It simply does not exist.

        It WAS funny, though... you both suffer from diarhea of the keyboard with an obvious constipation of ideas.

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        • #5
          Re: Are you an American Taliban

          Originally posted by Commodore View Post
          I'll just leave this here, and see how Danny reacts....

          The War on Poverty Has Been a Colossal Flop

          We can debate the merits of social programs. I think a case can be made America is much better off because of those programs. A case can be made some were not successful. I don't see the relevance to this thread, however.

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          • #6
            Re: Are you an American Taliban

            Originally posted by Danny View Post
            Tribal mentality
            I've got one item from that list, I am of the American tribe. Not the American Taliban.

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            • #7
              Re: Are you an American Taliban

              Originally posted by Danny View Post
              I feel like I'm arguing with the Taliban on this forum. Totally adverse to facts, totally blind to reality. Why is this? It's no wonder you don't have any liberals here anymore.

              Will McAvoy put it perfectly:

              Ideological purity
              Compromise as weakness
              A fundamentalist belief in scriptural literalism
              Denying science
              Unmoved by facts
              Undeterred by new information
              A hostile fear of progress
              A demonization of education
              A need to control women’s bodies
              Severe xenophobia
              Tribal mentality
              Intolerance of dissent
              A pathological hatred of the US government

              The Newsroom - Tea Party is the American Taliban - YouTube


              If you don't have 6 min to watch it read the transcript here:
              It'd be fair to make that claim at the first Tea Party beheading. So far, none of that.

              As to the assertion, it's little more than trying to stir the emotional flames of the ill-informed, overly emotional sheeple with vitriolic labels and false accusations, which is all the left has at this time.

              Once again I call to the typical liberal tactic of taking a few extremist positions and maligning a larger majority with them to which it doesn't apply. Again, it's all the left has got anymore.

              Sorry, no sale.

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                Re: Are you an American Taliban

                Originally posted by Danny View Post
                I don't see the relevance to this thread, however.
                Well, unless you want to have conservatives come on here to dispute they are members of the Taliban, i am not sure this thread will go far....

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                • #9
                  Re: Are you an American Taliban

                  This thread is not designed to go far, it is designed to be a flame thread. As far as I am concerned everything is subject to debate in this thread as the OP himself walked into the "merits of social programs" with "a hostile fear of progress." Everything in opposition to the "American Taliban" is then subject to debate, Danny will not get to exclude what he does not want to debate just cause.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Are you an American Taliban

                    Originally posted by Danny View Post
                    We can debate the merits of social programs. I think a case can be made America is much better off because of those programs. A case can be made some were not successful. I don't see the relevance to this thread, however.
                    So one might say that you are unmoved by these facts, which contains information new to you, because it's not presented or supported by the canonized dogma of your tribe, and would demonize anyone who would proliferate such dissenting information.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Are you an American Taliban

                      Originally posted by Chloe View Post
                      Well, unless you want to have conservatives come on here to dispute they are members of the Taliban, i am not sure this thread will go far....
                      Well that is easy enough to prove.

                      None of us are in GITMO*...

                      Obama hasn't apologized to conservatives...

                      Obama hasn't negotiated with conservatives, to bring us "into" government...

                      Conservatives are never welcome to speak on college campuses...

                      Code Pink doesn't meet with us, nor do they ever defend Conservatives...


                      *Closed by Obama The Great, as promised, in 2009. Right Danny?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Are you an American Taliban

                        I think we have found a new corollary to Godwin's law.

                        Seriously, declaring people to be like the Taliban because of political differences is reprehensible. Itis no surprise to see Danny flingin shityetagain, and then crying like a little girl because people challenge his shit flinging.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Are you an American Taliban

                          There is little chance this thread will evolve into meaningful discussion. Saying that, I'll offer a one time chance for Danny to come back in and guide the discussion to a point for meaningful discourse. Branding all of the Tea Party or the majority of USPOL'ers as Taliban or kin to Terrorism does not come with the intention of debate. Absent of that from the OP, we will have little choice but to move the thread to the Woodshed for continued flame conversation or outright closure at our discretion.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Are you an American Taliban

                            Originally posted by MattInFla View Post
                            I think we have found a new corollary to Godwin's law.

                            Seriously, declaring people to be like the Taliban because of political differences is reprehensible. Itis no surprise to see Danny flingin shityetagain, and then crying like a little girl because people challenge his shit flinging.
                            Indeed.

                            Wait until you hear Danny's wailing when the Democrats lose majority in the Senate. Oh he'll wail that it'll be the end of civilization! Yes he will.

                            Too bad Nancy got there first.

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                            Originally posted by tsquare View Post
                            Well that is easy enough to prove.

                            None of us are in GITMO*...

                            Obama hasn't apologized to conservatives...

                            Obama hasn't negotiated with conservatives, to bring us "into" government...

                            Conservatives are never welcome to speak on college campuses...

                            Code Pink doesn't meet with us, nor do they ever defend Conservatives...


                            *Closed by Obama The Great, as promised, in 2009. Right Danny?
                            Show me one beheading the Tea Party has conducted.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Are you an American Taliban

                              Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post


                              Show me one beheading the Tea Party has conducted.
                              I lost my mind when Sarah Palin was the VEEP choice 6 years ago.

                              Does that count?

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