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  • Obama wants to change cap on overime pay....

    ..and apparently the regulatory agency responsible for setting the cap on where overtime pay is exempt is considering changing it, by adjusting the 1975 cap which was around 23,000 bucks, using inflation to around 50 grand a year.

    President Obama is directing the Labor Department to strengthen overtime pay for millions of workers. The move is meant to help salaried workers who may be expected to work more than 40 hours a week.




    Now this morning CSPAN had a repub representative on to talk about it, as well as TPP, and as always, the talking points were as predictable as usual. But the incoherence involved was astounding, in the argument he used for each issue, overtime pay, and TPP.

    On TPP he of course supports it, as do most republicans, and this is about the only time they have not tried to obstruct anything that Obama wanted. Which was predictable as well, for those that know the GOP's position on globalization and unfair trade, called free trade.

    So on TPP, he repeatedly parroted that America cannot fold up her draw bridges, the usual exaggeration, and that it is in the interest of working americans that TPP pass. Now, obviously he ignores that we have lost millions of living wage jobs and 60,000 factories, changing America into a service sector economy that adds working poor jobs, and most being part time. And it has hollowed out America, which created greater income disparity, which of course logically always happens when you swap manufacturing for service sector work. And this repub. Rep said that the facts support the fact that working americans have been helped out, not hurt by free trade. He said this with a straight face.

    It is interesting to note that he took many calls, repub, dem, independent, and every caller was against free trade, telling him what it had done to their cities and towns, which he would pull out the, "American cannot pull up her draw bridges" and that globalization cannot be stopped. Now, who exactly shot up globalization with growth hormones and steroids? Who allowed it to become our economic model? Would that be the Pres and his congress? Yet the republican acted like it was beyond our gov't, as if this decision came down from god, and was driven by god himself. That it was a choice made by our gov't, who were not representing the best interest of the majority in this nation is never mentioned,never talked about and for very obvious reasons.

    Then came the overtime issue, being changed. And of course, he was against that too, for he said it would hurt American workers, and jobs. Now, free trade which has devastated jobs and working people is fine and dandy, but now overtime would hurt those same people, and jobs? Hell, the man voted to send millions of jobs to china, and yet he is concerned about americans having jobs? So, the incoherence that comes, when anyone tries to defend Neoliberalism, that continues to send the income to the top dogs.

    Any growth in GDP, 99 percent of that money goes straight to the top, and is no longer benefitting the people doing the work to create it.

    I wish these republicans, as well as the democrats would just tell the truth about all of this. The truth being, that they do not represent the People, but only those that can write big checks so they can remain in congress, or keep the presidency. For unless they come out and say it, far too many americans are too stupid to pick it up on their own.

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    There are ads running on cable news preten ding a new trade act will mprove the economy for U.S. workers, what a ridiculous joke.
    Last edited by JDJarvis; 06-11-2015, 09:26 AM.

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      Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
      There are ads running on cable news preten ding a new trade act will mprove the economy for U.S. workers, what a ridiculous joke.


      And then you've got real winners like this guy

      http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...its-agreed-to/

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        Originally posted by reality View Post



        And then you've got real winners like this guy

        http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...its-agreed-to/
        These politicians are damned liars. Each time a new trade agreement has been pushed, there was not enough jobs created to offset the jobs lost, as with the deal with communist china.

        Trade is wonderful, but if it does not benefit existing workers when it was enacted, then it is not wonderful, but harmful. And all of these have did more harm than good, unless you were an elite.

        You do not have to pull up the drawbridges to this nation to trade, you just have to stop the hollowing out of America, by our corporations offshoring to pay 50 cents an hour, while have full and free access to our markets.

        This has very little to do with trade, as traditionally understood. It is something else entirely, with the word trade used to pull out the smoke and mirrors, to fool americans.

        The American people do not want anymore free trade, and when our rulers do it anyway, they are not representing the people, nor the best interests of the people. And yet far too many of us will vote for these same bastards again. I don't get it. Well, I do, and have spoken as to why this continues to happen.

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          Originally posted by reality View Post



          And then you've got real winners like this guy

          http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...its-agreed-to/
          Yeah what could go wrong with that?

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            Oh yeah on the core subject of the thread extending the FLSA minimum on who qualifies for salary and who doesn't based on wage isn't entirely bad. I gotta admit the cap and qualifications is an area I'm fuzzy on. I've been an employer but I paid my self hourly (well I deferred a whole bunch of pay) and I've been Salary Plus (40 hours, plus straight overtime) but never straight salary which seems to be used by many companies to simply screw workers out of overtime (like my wife who is manager level but has no one reporting directly to her).

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              Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
              Oh yeah on the core subject of the thread extending the FLSA minimum on who qualifies for salary and who doesn't based on wage isn't entirely bad. I gotta admit the cap and qualifications is an area I'm fuzzy on. I've been an employer but I paid my self hourly (well I deferred a whole bunch of pay) and I've been Salary Plus (40 hours, plus straight overtime) but never straight salary which seems to be used by many companies to simply screw workers out of overtime (like my wife who is manager level but has no one reporting directly to her).
              Back when I was a dist mgr with 10 store mgrs. under me, we took advantage of the cap. I had mgrs. working 60 to 65 hours a week for a salary. We moved to that when their hourly rate plus overtime was too high for the corporate office. The turnover this caused me, and my group of stores, lead to other problems, that turnover always creates, which negatively affects the bottom line on the quarterly P and L. When I was told that I would have to go in and work some of the hours of each mgr, when my stores were spread over a 250 mile area, to cut down on the turnover, I told the division mgr to shove it, turned in my company car and expense account and went into my own business, having learned what not to do when it comes to business. LOL

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                The fact that you have people who claim paid maternity leave will cost millions of jobs shows just how far these people will go to make sure US workers keep being screwed.

                The fact that you have the rest of the world with much better overtime and parental workers rights just seems to go right past them.

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                  What will the voters do, then? Vote out members of congress for failing to debate a treaty? For failing to to act in the best interest of their constituents?

                  The subject -economics that affect the US worker- is too boring for the average voter, even if it tends to be the most important. The only part of this that might inspire a massive turnover in congress would be an economic implosion, with these examples being trotted out by the opposition to the status quo.

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                    Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                    What will the voters do, then? Vote out members of congress for failing to debate a treaty? For failing to to act in the best interest of their constituents?

                    The subject -economics that affect the US worker- is too boring for the average voter, even if it tends to be the most important. The only part of this that might inspire a massive turnover in congress would be an economic implosion, with these examples being trotted out by the opposition to the status quo.
                    Well, Sanders is telling those crowds that come to see him that no matter how smart, how skilled, or how great a president can be, this Neoliberal ship of doom will not be changed unless pissed off People elect someone in the oval office that will actually represent them, and then hold their people in congress accountable, with the threat of replacement, if they do not represent their best interests as they are supposed to be doing.So, it is one helluva long shot, but I can still recall when something like that in a smaller way take place, during the late 60s.

                    Bernie says only a political revolution will change the course of this lumbering ship. I think it might take an implosion, unless someone can get the revolution started, at the ballot box. I think we might see some fireworks during the democratic debates. I think Sanders has something that will appeal to a lot of disenfranchised voters, and he is gonna hammer issues home like a pit bull. Whether it will get enough people fired up, is the question.

                    I am surprised of the number people who are turning out for Sanders, and if it grows, you are gonna see Corporate media and those billion dollars from special interest pacs demonizing him in a frenzy. He is the greatest threat to the status quo neoliberalism that has been seen, for we have not had anyone indulge in what the right dismisses as class warfare since perhaps Huey Long.

                    I don't know if americans have reached their breaking point yet, in large enough numbers, the time may not be quite ripe enough yet. but people are having some hard times today, and it is not improving. And I think more and more people are getting tired of the secrecy, which always ends up screwing americans, with these so called trade agreements.

                    A republican Rep. was on CSPAN yesterday, and dems, independents and repubs that called in, all of them were railing against TPP, because of what the other ones have done to working people. Last night on Lars Larson, you saw republican voters calling in, mad as hell over it, with many saying they are bombarding their represenatives in congress,and it isn't making a difference. People just might be waking up after decades of slumber to realize that they are no longer being represented.

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                      Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                      The fact that you have people who claim paid maternity leave will cost millions of jobs shows just how far these people will go to make sure US workers keep being screwed.

                      The fact that you have the rest of the world with much better overtime and parental workers rights just seems to go right past them.
                      We may be reaching a point where that part of the population that has given up, is fed up, mad as hell, and not gonna take it anymore, which may scare the shit out of our bought and paid for politicians. The internet may figure in this election much more than what Obama had.

                      I am still not optimistic, but we may be seeing the beginnings of winds of change. I think what Sanders is starting is not going away, and the baton will be picked up. He needs to take the minority vote away from Clinton, and I hope he goes after that with a vengeance.

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                        Ok watching CSPAN as I write and here, and the pro TPP pro free trade liars are hard at it. Most callers on Washington Journal are against TPP and their congress critters are for it, and several of them said if they vote for it, they will not vote for them again, and will carry signs outside the polls telling of the treason.

                        On the call ins, there was a economist who called in to regale the listeners with how wonderful NAFTA has been for the American worker, and that we have run trade surpluses with mexico which is great for our workers.....except when CSPAN then checked the stats using the Census Bureau....we are up to 17 billion in trade deficets with Mexico so far this year. And of course if cspan had not done the fact check, people would think we ran surpluses!!

                        You cannot trust what Corporate media says about free trade, for afterall, WHO owns these propaganda outlets? The same people who want to max out profits by 50 cent an hour labor. LOL

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                          Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                          The fact that you have the rest of the world with much better overtime and parental workers rights just seems to go right past them.
                          The hateful vermin will claim we have a competitive edge becasue we are not soft indulgent socialists.

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                            The truth will out as long as we have enough competent press to compare nations that go with un-debated trade pacts, vs. nations that only move forward after careful scrutiny.

                            "Fast Track" sounds a lot like "Get rich quick".

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