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Economics of the Feel Good Left.

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  • Economics of the Feel Good Left.

    For those on the left, everything is about feeling good about themselves. Whether it is advocating freebies for the poor at the expense of the rich or supporting political candidates that claim to be for the little guy.

    The political Left’s great claim to authenticity and honor is that what they advocate is for the benefit of the less fortunate. But how could we test that?

    T. S. Eliot once said, “Half the harm that is done in this world is due to people who want to feel important. They don’t mean to do harm — but the harm does not interest them. Or they do not see it, or they justify it because they are absorbed in the endless struggle to think well of themselves.” ...

    All these policies allow the political Left to persist in their fact-free visions. And those visions in turn allow the Left to feel good about themselves, while leaving havoc in their wake.
    Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...ontrol-housing

  • #2
    You can keep repeating this crap as often as you like but it won't make it true.
    As has been shown in Scandinavia having high taxes and good public services is possible you just don't want it.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
      You can keep repeating this crap as often as you like but it won't make it true.
      As has been shown in Scandinavia having high taxes and good public services is possible you just don't want it.

      The problem with that here is that so many don't pay taxes.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
        The problem with that here is that so many don't pay taxes.
        That would imply that we could solve the problem by collecting more taxes.

        The problem is that people can't figure out the difference between the governments responsibility, and their responsibilities.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Commodore View Post

          That would imply that we could solve the problem by collecting more taxes.

          The problem is that people can't figure out the difference between the governments responsibility, and their responsibilities.

          Personal responsibility is not high on the list of priorities of liberals.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post


            The problem with that here is that so many don't pay taxes.
            Yeah, one out of 4 corporations do not pay any in, and its not like they are too poor to do so.

            Tax rates on the elites needs to be 90 percent as they were under Ike. Then the actual rate works out to be around 33 percent, instead of the 14 to 17 percent actual rate of today. Then take that money that they used to pay anyways, and rebuild our crumbling, grade D infrastructure, which would put millions to work for few years, perhaps 10 or so, as long as we didn't hang signs in mexico telling them to come on up we got a job for them.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post


              Personal responsibility is not high on the list of priorities of liberals.
              Granted, there are some of the left that are lacking in seeing that as desirable, just as there are some on the right that would revel in seeing the poor starve, for they think the poor deserve to starve. But the people on the left who are progressive want to see people with living wage jobs, not welfare, while there are people on the right who be ok with working poor jobs, that demand welfare, and then they would want to take the welfare away. They seem to ignore that these working poor jobs have to have someone doing them, or society would implode. You cannot support non living wages and then attack those that take those jobs. But this is what the incoherent right wing does. These guys are basically nuts.

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              • #8
                The best way to have great public services and a decent safety net is to have as many as possible in work.
                I don't understand this notion that conservatives have that liberals want everyone on welfare as we know money doesn't grow on trees and comes from the taxes paid by working people but they will continue to spout that line until they'e horse.
                The reason I want zero tuition fee's is so more people can get better educated and have better prospects for a job and I'm willing to pay extra in tax to make that happen even though it won't help me personally.

                The reason politics is so toxic in the US is you have both sides unwilling to listen to the other and saying the other side are stupid.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                  The best way to have great public services and a decent safety net is to have as many as possible in work.
                  I don't understand this notion that conservatives have that liberals want everyone on welfare as we know money doesn't grow on trees and comes from the taxes paid by working people but they will continue to spout that line until they'e horse.
                  The reason I want zero tuition fee's is so more people can get better educated and have better prospects for a job and I'm willing to pay extra in tax to make that happen even though it won't help me personally.

                  The reason politics is so toxic in the US is you have both sides unwilling to listen to the other and saying the other side are stupid.
                  Then you have the mindset of a group of people who see compromise as defeat, and they will not compromise for they do not want defeat of their ideological beliefs. The problem of course is that many of these ideological beliefs are not rooted in fact. An ideologue will just of his own volition refuse to allow an improvement in the lives of his own people, for no other reason than an ideological belief says it is bad. Yet that very belief if put under the microscope of science is not factual at all. Ideology can be rooted in facts, but it seldom is. Generally something else drives the belief.

                  But the fact is, some of these ideological beliefs are as stupid as anything can be. For they are not backed up by facts. A great case involves the fact of economic models. It is a mathematical certainty that if you offshore jobs that provide what a nation consumes, that this will inevitably create more people than jobs. For if you remove what taxes provide, policing, fire departments, the military, any job that exists beyond that will always inevitably involve making something consumed or a service purchased. But if the economic model you have will always send what it can to slave labor in the interest of greater profits by the corporations, you can never employ the greatest number of people, which would limit spending on welfare. So, if the politicians willingly allow these jobs to be lost, they should know if you have safety nets, more people will use them, thereby increasing the spending on those programs. Now here is where the utter stupidity comes in, created by an ideological belief. The ideological belief says, if you give people welfare, they will not work, and so you should kick them off for their own good, or just do away with safety nets entirely. Yet this thinking created by an ideological belief is not at all rooted in the reality of what is going on. So, it is by any definition, utter stupidity. So how do you address that stupidity, when any attempt to do so is seen as just an attack upon a rational ideological belief? LOL.


                  So it is stupidity to actually believe that you can employ the maximum number of your own people, keeping them off of welfare, when you allow the engine of job creation to be offshored to help out in making the richer richer. It is utter stupidity to believe a consumption based economy does not have to make much of what it consumes, yet still employ americans. Yet you have people, due to an ideological belief driving them, that will not see this mathematical certainty. So what do you do to change their minds, which their own self indentity is invested in these irrational beliefs? Any attempt to show them rationality is seen as communism, socialism, which will always elicit knee jerk reactions from these people. So what do you do? Well, since you cannot change their minds, all that is left is just to call a spade a spade, and say they are stupid. For they are. And that is where we are at, at least on this one issue, but there are others that fall within the paradigm as well.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                    The best way to have great public services and a decent safety net is to have as many as possible in work.
                    I don't understand this notion that conservatives have that liberals want everyone on welfare as we know money doesn't grow on trees and comes from the taxes paid by working people but they will continue to spout that line until they'e horse.
                    The reason I want zero tuition fee's is so more people can get better educated and have better prospects for a job and I'm willing to pay extra in tax to make that happen even though it won't help me personally.

                    The reason politics is so toxic in the US is you have both sides unwilling to listen to the other and saying the other side are stupid.
                    Having a bunch of people educated doesn't really help much if the job market is saturated. If 50 people are applying for one job then the education of the 49 individuals that didn't get it is poor investment.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by fishjoel View Post

                      Having a bunch of people educated doesn't really help much if the job market is saturated. If 50 people are applying for one job then the education of the 49 individuals that didn't get it is poor investment.

                      The extra 49 people can though go for other jobs or start new companies.
                      As an investment education is hard to argue against.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post


                        The extra 49 people can though go for other jobs or start new companies.
                        As an investment education is hard to argue against.
                        And the value of having an education has changed. While it has always been of value in what profession one goes into, we used to see its value that was not job related. For an educated people are more apt to attend and fix the problems of civilization, by being able to think logically, and by understanding where man has been, and the mistakes made in the past. An educated public is of great value in improving life, aside from the economic benefit.

                        When we were making what we consumed, we needed people to do just that. Today no longer doing that, which creates the mathematical certainty that great numbers of people will never have a job that provides the resources for survival, has driven more and more people into a post high school education, in hopes this will provide a job which will allow them to not be on safety nets. But all that you end up with, are unemployed people who are educated. Sure some will start a business, but that requires workers, and afterall most new businesses will fail within a few years, so there are more failed business owners than business owners, which removes starting a business as some sort of salvation. Yeah, reality is a bitch, but it is what it is.

                        And so, if a nation is actually interested in allowing its people to live without depending upon a safety net, that nation must make what it consumes in goods and services, or a good portion of the people will never be able to care for themselves by their work, and that is not sustainable. And more education will not solve this problem. The delusion is with those that say indeed education will solve this problem.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post

                          And the value of having an education has changed. While it has always been of value in what profession one goes into, we used to see its value that was not job related. For an educated people are more apt to attend and fix the problems of civilization, by being able to think logically, and by understanding where man has been, and the mistakes made in the past. An educated public is of great value in improving life, aside from the economic benefit.

                          When we were making what we consumed, we needed people to do just that. Today no longer doing that, which creates the mathematical certainty that great numbers of people will never have a job that provides the resources for survival, has driven more and more people into a post high school education, in hopes this will provide a job which will allow them to not be on safety nets. But all that you end up with, are unemployed people who are educated. Sure some will start a business, but that requires workers, and afterall most new businesses will fail within a few years, so there are more failed business owners than business owners, which removes starting a business as some sort of salvation. Yeah, reality is a bitch, but it is what it is.

                          And so, if a nation is actually interested in allowing its people to live without depending upon a safety net, that nation must make what it consumes in goods and services, or a good portion of the people will never be able to care for themselves by their work, and that is not sustainable. And more education will not solve this problem. The delusion is with those that say indeed education will solve this problem.

                          Our schools no longer teach someone how to think, they teach them how they should "feel."

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post


                            The extra 49 people can though go for other jobs or start new companies.
                            As an investment education is hard to argue against.

                            Education, yes. Indoctrination, not so much.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post


                              Education, yes. Indoctrination, not so much.

                              Your point is?
                              Where did I say anything at all about indoctrination.

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