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Bernie is coming after them.. and the elites are screaming....CLASS WARFARE!!!!!!!

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  • Blue Doggy
    Originally posted by radcentr View Post
    It's true that Sanders would need a significant portion of Congress to get anything done. However, a lot of people inside the beltway (or better yet, inside someone's pocket) are not paying attention to Sanders' favorite social democracy, Denmark. It is currently ruled by a center-right party, which chooses to work the audit on socialism-lite while working on private business to locate in Denmark. This points to a position at the table for conservatives in the US system. There is the potential for them to work both angles; auditing (maximizing efficiency) in gov't. while looking to grow small & medium size business.

    Sanders would do well to play that very angle, since there are likely more than a few small business owners who are less than happy about the GOP/Dem bailout, too big to fail, NAFTA and other neoconsterflocks. There is clearly a portion of Dems who will go for Sanders. What is uncertain is how this plays out when Sanders elaborates on his record and proposals for the business sector. And by "business sector", I mean something a lot more extensive than the Big Sexy on Wall Street.
    If anyone has followed sanders, and understands what he wants, and that he has said so many times, that he cannot, nor can anyone in that office do anything to fix America, so that average people do not continue to lose standards of living and jobs. without a political revolution, then one understands what a monumental battle lies ahead, if he can pull it off and win. For in order to actually reverse the tremendous tide of what has given us an oligarchy requires that people who believe in him, stay with him, and partiscipate in this revolution, by staying involved, and propel the change from the bottom up. And unless he gets this, he will not be able to do anything to fix this mess created by treasonous politicians and elites.

    So, this revolution demands that millions get involved, and stay involved, and basically pressure the dems in congress to represent the people again and not the elites, or they get voted out of office. And it also means that pressure is put upon the GOP in DC, to represent the best interests of their constitutents again, the working and middle class, or get voted out. He has talked about this nonstop for years. So that is the political revolution, and it is one helluva long shot. But, even if he fails, he ideas are out there, the foundation has been laid, the cornerstone, and it will not go away, for the trend we are on will continue to take living wage jobs, continue to impoverish and cause more and more to suffer, and from that, the catalyst will come, for the revolution to take off.

    We saw the same thing with FDR and the great depression. What put FDR into office, and kept here there for 4 terms, until only death removed him, was this great suffering of the People. Nothing will ever create a political revolution as suffering of millions will. And you can take that to the bank. For it is a common thread that runs through the history of our species. It is as certain as the rise and setting of our sun.

    So regardless if sanders wins, he is the needed catalyst, that finally told americans what the corporate owned, profit driven, MSM refused to allow to be covered. And now American KNOW something they were not quite sure of before, for MSM would not talk about it, nor any dem or gop politician. So, that is the importance of sanders, whether he wins or loses. And, given the tremendous support of the youth who will run this nation, one day, they will not forget it, and they will change this nation back from the destruction Reagan wrought upon this nation. I just wish, I could live to see it.
    Last edited by Blue Doggy; 02-13-2016, 07:50 AM.

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  • radcentr
    'Zactly right. Ideally, the left wouldn't resist a "jobs first" overhaul of the welfare system, basically replacing payments to be poor (food stamps, housing subsidies, etc.) with a requirement to work by all able bodied adults. With slight irony, at least one conservative publication has praised a (tea party) governor of Maine for doing something exactly along those lines. Here's one link:
    ...Maine also offers community service positions to ABAWDs as a means to fulfill their work obligation. As noted, the hours of community service required cannot exceed the amount of an individual’s food stamp benefit divided by the higher of either the federal or state minimum wage. In Maine, 24 hours of community service per month (six hours per week) can fulfill the work requirement. However, when the Maine Department of Health and Human Services conducted outreach to about 700 ABAWDs in Portland to inform them about a volunteer program that could fulfill the community service work requirement, only about 15 of the 700 contacted responded...

    Granted, one needs to stop the spin cycle to see the counter-argument. Here it is one:
    Still, the claim that Maine welfare reform has led to a “nearly 80% reduction in welfare” isn’t true. It led to a 70% reduction in able-bodied adults who receive food stamps — who made up about 5% of all food stamp recipients before the reform took effect.

    A 5% cleanup of fraud is worthwhile work for auditors. It aint' 80%, but is still a strong argument that the rational left won't counter; fe 2% is considered acceptable as a "loss" figure. Community service is reasonably close to the social network including cooperatives and gov't positions. Piecing together a full-employment program (for all able-bodied adults) is a natural replacement for welfare for the same group. It is likely a goal that both the left and right can agree to, with haggling over the "how to" being the serious hurdle. That means a potential conference between a social/dem and a tea party membership is a reasonable scenario.

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  • JDJarvis
    If Bernie went with the anngle that everyonne should get something for th. Money they pay into the system how could that be bad?
    I want those too poor to achieve to not be held downby medical debt and a lack of education, if people can't achieve while getting genuine benefit well screw them but all those people screwd by circumstances need an opporunity for all of us achieve, Pating billions year after year to keep people poor is just stupid.

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  • radcentr
    It's true that Sanders would need a significant portion of Congress to get anything done. However, a lot of people inside the beltway (or better yet, inside someone's pocket) are not paying attention to Sanders' favorite social democracy, Denmark. It is currently ruled by a center-right party, which chooses to work the audit on socialism-lite while working on private business to locate in Denmark. This points to a position at the table for conservatives in the US system. There is the potential for them to work both angles; auditing (maximizing efficiency) in gov't. while looking to grow small & medium size business.

    Sanders would do well to play that very angle, since there are likely more than a few small business owners who are less than happy about the GOP/Dem bailout, too big to fail, NAFTA and other neoconsterflocks. There is clearly a portion of Dems who will go for Sanders. What is uncertain is how this plays out when Sanders elaborates on his record and proposals for the business sector. And by "business sector", I mean something a lot more extensive than the Big Sexy on Wall Street.

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  • Blue Doggy
    Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
    Still going to be a Congress, still going to have the be. Judicial system money can buy, still going to be checked by laws wrtten by/lobbyed for by the wealthy. It would be an interesting 4 years.
    It would be interesting if sanders were able to go against all odds and pull it off, against forces so strong and nefarious. He wants to pull people, voters, out of the woodwork, who had given up on our gov't who will not represent them. He said that Obama after getting so many people behind him to beat the establishment, did not utilize those people, but basically said, "I got it from here" and that is where he screwed up. Although, Obama never intended to walk the talk, he just wanted to achieve that office for ego reasons. Sanders is totally different. If he rallies the millions who vote for him, pull them in to the process of putting tremendous pressure on congress, in all sorts of way, then he stands a chance to wrestle this gov't back from the elites who have no allegiance to this nation, and only use America as a dirty prostitute for their own pleasure and wealth growth.

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  • Blue Doggy
    Originally posted by Commodore View Post
    If the "elites" meet the guillotine, Bernie won't be far behind.
    He does not have the wealth to be an elite, if elite means, a millionaire, billionaire.

    In this way, he is different from FDR, while he is an FDR in vision. FDR was of the Gilded Age elites. And even then, a group of those elites tried to run a coup, but Gen. Butler, was approached and asked to join, and he ratted them out. This is the character of those elites you worship and protect their sociopathic greed, who owe no allegiance to the nation you want to protect. You guys basically admire a group of traitors. Who do not give a shit about America, only their wealth and growing it as much as they can, even if it destroys their own nation. Sociopathy. Treasonous bastards.

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  • JDJarvis
    Still going to be a Congress, still going to have the best judicial system money can buy, still going to be checked by laws wrtten by/lobbyed for by the wealthy. It would be an interesting 4 years.
    Last edited by JDJarvis; 02-12-2016, 04:41 AM.

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  • Commodore
    If the "elites" meet the guillotine, Bernie won't be far behind.

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  • OldmanDan
    It's the Democrat elites who are going to get vicious.

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  • Bernie is coming after them.. and the elites are screaming....CLASS WARFARE!!!!!!!

    First you ignore, then you ridicule, then you fight...and the fight against sanders is ramping up, with the WSJ...

    Teddy and Franklin would be so proud of "Feel the Bern Sanders" And yes, Teddy was a Republican. My oh my, how that party has changed. LOL But, when it comes to wall street, and our economy, my oh my, how the Democratic Party has changed as well. They resemble elephants instead of jackasses.

    Sanders will look like a bull in the china shop.