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  • Taxed by the mile

    Now they want to tax your miles traveled

    Thieves in Washington state get ever more creative

    A "road usage" charge

    These people are evil

    "..more fuel-efficient vehicles have eroded the state's ability to rely long term on the gas tax for transportation needs."

    They hollered and screamed for more fuel efficient vehicles then they claim - that's CLAIM - they now haven't enough $$ to make do with

    Which is nonsense, we can be sure of that

    What needs to happen is these dirt-bag bureaucrats need to learn how to manage the $$ WE provide them with

    My confidence in their ability for that is at zero

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    The Washington Transportation Commission is expected to vote later this year on a proposal to replace the gas tax with a pay-per-mile system.

    The vote will take place Dec. 17, after the commission is expected to receive a report in October from a panel that has studied the new type of tax, The Olympian reports . Any recommendation voted on by the commission will then be passed on to the Legislature to consider during its next legislative session that starts in January.

    Commission chairman Jerry Hitt says it's too early to say how the commission will vote. He said he expects many state residents would pay more under a pay-per-mile tax, which the state calls a "road usage charge."

    Sen. Rebecca Saldana, vice chairwoman of the Senate Transportation Committee, said the state is considering a pay-per-mile charge because she says more fuel-efficient vehicles have eroded the state's ability to rely long term on the gas tax for transportation needs.



    https://www.khq.com/news/pay-per-mil...ticle-nav-next

  • #2
    Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
    Now they want to tax your miles traveled

    Thieves in Washington state get ever more creative

    A "road usage" charge

    These people are evil

    "..more fuel-efficient vehicles have eroded the state's ability to rely long term on the gas tax for transportation needs."

    They hollered and screamed for more fuel efficient vehicles then they claim - that's CLAIM - they now haven't enough $$ to make do with

    Which is nonsense, we can be sure of that

    What needs to happen is these dirt-bag bureaucrats need to learn how to manage the $$ WE provide them with

    My confidence in their ability for that is at zero

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    The Washington Transportation Commission is expected to vote later this year on a proposal to replace the gas tax with a pay-per-mile system.

    The vote will take place Dec. 17, after the commission is expected to receive a report in October from a panel that has studied the new type of tax, The Olympian reports . Any recommendation voted on by the commission will then be passed on to the Legislature to consider during its next legislative session that starts in January.

    Commission chairman Jerry Hitt says it's too early to say how the commission will vote. He said he expects many state residents would pay more under a pay-per-mile tax, which the state calls a "road usage charge."

    Sen. Rebecca Saldana, vice chairwoman of the Senate Transportation Committee, said the state is considering a pay-per-mile charge because she says more fuel-efficient vehicles have eroded the state's ability to rely long term on the gas tax for transportation needs.



    https://www.khq.com/news/pay-per-mil...ticle-nav-next
    Actually I disagree. While I support lower, simpler taxes in the aggregate, I also think that taxing of consumption is far better than taxing of income and investment. I also think that where feasible, taxes should be as directly tied and proportionate to those who receive the benefits to which those taxes are put. The gas tax (and this new proposal) is a perfect example. It is far better economically to fund roads and related infrastructure through these type of usage related taxes (with the road usage being even more finely targeted than the gas tax) than through other more general revenue generation.

    The rub will be making sure that this largely substitutes, rather than adds onto existing taxes,

    HOW those tax revenues are used (and if there is a genuine need for additional spending in a particular area) is a separate issue from the optimal means of generating a particular revenue stream.

    We should as a society be realistic about how much the construction and maintenance of our transportation infrastructure requires, and set gas and usage (toll roads, mileage levies, etc.) to meet that funding need. We should also be mindful of federalism principles. Local and state highways should be funded at the state and local level (with a portion of usage fees and gas taxes reflecting non-local usage shared) and the federal government should ONLY fund the construction of and partial maintenance of the Interstate system (based on best estimates of actual interstate usage).

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Marcus1124 View Post
      Actually I disagree. While I support lower, simpler taxes in the aggregate, I also think that taxing of consumption is far better than taxing of income and investment.
      Don't really disagree with this.

      So tax for consumption of petrol as we're doing.

      If that's not raising quite enough, because of a better fuel efficiency of vehicles - a suggestion I doubt - then raise that tax a bit.

      Why make an entire new method to collect that $ by examining everybodies mileage indicator ?

      Originally posted by Marcus1124 View Post
      I also think that where feasible, taxes should be as directly tied and proportionate to those who receive the benefits to which those taxes are put. The gas tax (and this new proposal) is a perfect example. It is far better economically to fund roads and related infrastructure through these type of usage related taxes (with the road usage being even more finely targeted than the gas tax) than through other more general revenue generation.
      It makes sense what you're saying

      BUT, it leaves open all kinds of new & creative methodologies to take money from traveling consumers. How about not only mileage, but the gross weight of the vehicle - which does affect road surface ? That way a motorcyclist that goes all over the place, may not pay as much as an SUV owner who does the same.

      Originally posted by Marcus1124 View Post
      The rub will be making sure that this largely substitutes, rather than adds onto existing taxes,

      HOW those tax revenues are used (and if there is a genuine need for additional spending in a particular area) is a separate issue from the optimal means of generating a particular revenue stream.

      We should as a society be realistic about how much the construction and maintenance of our transportation infrastructure requires, and set gas and usage (toll roads, mileage levies, etc.) to meet that funding need. We should also be mindful of federalism principles. Local and state highways should be funded at the state and local level (with a portion of usage fees and gas taxes reflecting non-local usage shared) and the federal government should ONLY fund the construction of and partial maintenance of the Interstate system (based on best estimates of actual interstate usage).
      It all sounds acceptable to some degree until I think of how outlandish things get when we get creative bureaucrats involved in writing tax laws & loopholes.

      IRS anyone ? LOL

      Maybe the old; "If it ain't broke don't fix it." idea applies.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

        Don't really disagree with this.

        So tax for consumption of petrol as we're doing.

        If that's not raising quite enough, because of a better fuel efficiency of vehicles - a suggestion I doubt - then raise that tax a bit.

        Why make an entire new method to collect that $ by examining everybodies mileage indicator ?
        Short answer to your last question, because of hybrids and electric vehicles, which represent the same amount of usage and wear-and-tear on roads, but pay far less into the revenue stream that supports the construction and maintenance. Should all-electric vehicle owners not contribute to the cost of road construction and maintenance? Once we sort out the technology (and more crucially the legal framework) for self-driving vehicles, electric vehicles become far more sensible (for a variety of reasons we can discuss separately). Eventually we will need to replace the gas tax with something else, may as well start now.



        Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
        It makes sense what you're saying

        BUT, it leaves open all kinds of new & creative methodologies to take money from traveling consumers. How about not only mileage, but the gross weight of the vehicle - which does affect road surface ? That way a motorcyclist that goes all over the place, may not pay as much as an SUV owner who does the same.
        Again, insofar as technology enables us to more directly allocate the costs of various things with better proportionality to those reaping the benefits, I support it. But again, the constraining factor should be the legitimate amount of revenue needed.




        Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
        It all sounds acceptable to some degree until I think of how outlandish things get when we get creative bureaucrats involved in writing tax laws & loopholes.

        IRS anyone ? LOL

        Maybe the old; "If it ain't broke don't fix it." idea applies.
        Well, the Supreme Court seems to be inching closer to overturning the Chevron decision (excessive deference to administrative agencies in statutory interpretation), which should scale that back a bit.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
          Now they want to tax your miles traveled

          Thieves in Washington state get ever more creative

          A "road usage" charge

          These people are evil

          "..more fuel-efficient vehicles have eroded the state's ability to rely long term on the gas tax for transportation needs."

          They hollered and screamed for more fuel efficient vehicles then they claim - that's CLAIM - they now haven't enough $$ to make do with

          Which is nonsense, we can be sure of that

          What needs to happen is these dirt-bag bureaucrats need to learn how to manage the $$ WE provide them with

          My confidence in their ability for that is at zero

          ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

          The Washington Transportation Commission is expected to vote later this year on a proposal to replace the gas tax with a pay-per-mile system.

          The vote will take place Dec. 17, after the commission is expected to receive a report in October from a panel that has studied the new type of tax, The Olympian reports . Any recommendation voted on by the commission will then be passed on to the Legislature to consider during its next legislative session that starts in January.

          Commission chairman Jerry Hitt says it's too early to say how the commission will vote. He said he expects many state residents would pay more under a pay-per-mile tax, which the state calls a "road usage charge."

          Sen. Rebecca Saldana, vice chairwoman of the Senate Transportation Committee, said the state is considering a pay-per-mile charge because she says more fuel-efficient vehicles have eroded the state's ability to rely long term on the gas tax for transportation needs.



          https://www.khq.com/news/pay-per-mil...ticle-nav-next
          Charging by the mile is a massive data collection effort that would do little more than enable the surveillance state.

          Just think. Every time you get in your car and drive someplace, even if just for the pleasure of driving, there'd be a constant stream of location data from your car to the government so that they'd know how much to charge you.

          What is one of the first things that tyrannical states do? Limit personal travel without proper documents or logging. Yeah, that.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Marcus1124 View Post
            Short answer to your last question, because of hybrids and electric vehicles, which represent the same amount of usage and wear-and-tear on roads, but pay far less into the revenue stream that supports the construction and maintenance. Should all-electric vehicle owners not contribute to the cost of road construction and maintenance? Once we sort out the technology (and more crucially the legal framework) for self-driving vehicles, electric vehicles become far more sensible (for a variety of reasons we can discuss separately). Eventually we will need to replace the gas tax with something else, may as well start now.
            Include the tax in battery disposal & recycling fees made to equal the amount collected by those who drive petrol consuming vehicles

            It's necessary anyways as these battery systems require so many nasty substances.

            Electric vehicles are a thousand times nastier for the environment than petrol ones. Can you imagine if every person on earth used one ? So much poison.

            Originally posted by Marcus1124 View Post
            Again, insofar as technology enables us to more directly allocate the costs of various things with better proportionality to those reaping the benefits, I support it. But again, the constraining factor should be the legitimate amount of revenue needed.
            Agreed

            Electric vehicles will end up costing more for ALL due to the battery issue. Add to this the need for taxes collected for roads . . .

            Originally posted by Marcus1124 View Post
            Well, the Supreme Court seems to be inching closer to overturning the Chevron decision (excessive deference to administrative agencies in statutory interpretation), which should scale that back a bit.
            We can hope

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            • #7
              Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
              Charging by the mile is a massive data collection effort that would do little more than enable the surveillance state.

              Just think. Every time you get in your car and drive someplace, even if just for the pleasure of driving, there'd be a constant stream of location data from your car to the government so that they'd know how much to charge you.

              What is one of the first things that tyrannical states do? Limit personal travel without proper documents or logging. Yeah, that.
              It's just one more way we no longer have ANY privacy.

              Cameras everywhere.

              Our technology does watch us whether we like it or not. Computerized cars with GPS etc, we already have no privacy

              And we're addicted to these things LOL

              Everywhere I go, I see people staring at the box in their hands LOL

              Was at the dentists yesterday. Every single person in the office - including the kids - were staring hypnotically at the box in their hand

              .. taxing the miles I drive ? No thanks !

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              • #8
                Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post

                Charging by the mile is a massive data collection effort that would do little more than enable the surveillance state.

                Just think. Every time you get in your car and drive someplace, even if just for the pleasure of driving, there'd be a constant stream of location data from your car to the government so that they'd know how much to charge you.

                What is one of the first things that tyrannical states do? Limit personal travel without proper documents or logging. Yeah, that.
                Just that fact makes me against this method

                We know less and less about our government due to over use of secrecy while it knows more and more about us. Privacy is now a joke

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post

                  Just that fact makes me against this method

                  We know less and less about our government due to over use of secrecy while it knows more and more about us. Privacy is now a joke
                  Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                  It's just one more way we no longer have ANY privacy.

                  Cameras everywhere.

                  Our technology does watch us whether we like it or not. Computerized cars with GPS etc, we already have no privacy

                  And we're addicted to these things LOL

                  Everywhere I go, I see people staring at the box in their hands LOL

                  Was at the dentists yesterday. Every single person in the office - including the kids - were staring hypnotically at the box in their hand

                  .. taxing the miles I drive ? No thanks !
                  It is high time for strong data privacy laws, such as they have in Germany. The US congress should use those as a template or starting point, and make them even stronger, me thinks (not that this is likely to happen with the tech company's lobbying).

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                    It is high time for strong data privacy laws, such as they have in Germany. The US congress should use those as a template or starting point, and make them even stronger, me thinks (not that this is likely to happen with the tech company's lobbying).
                    Maybe so, but think about how long it will probably take the incompetents to MAKE any such "laws." Will they even be effective ?

                    In the meantime, user/consumers need to be better informed about these new technologies.

                    Which are really only tools, and like every new tool, there are things we need to learn and know about them before using them indiscriminately.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post

                      Charging by the mile is a massive data collection effort that would do little more than enable the surveillance state.

                      Just think. Every time you get in your car and drive someplace, even if just for the pleasure of driving, there'd be a constant stream of location data from your car to the government so that they'd know how much to charge you.

                      What is one of the first things that tyrannical states do? Limit personal travel without proper documents or logging. Yeah, that.
                      Actually, that is not required, just periodic updates on total mile driven.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Marcus1124 View Post

                        Actually, that is not required, just periodic updates on total mile driven.
                        Hmm. I see what you mean, and I suppose so, but do you really think that the administrative state would give up such an opportunity to further exert control over the populace? I'm thinking that'd be a 'No'.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post

                          Hmm. I see what you mean, and I suppose so, but do you really think that the administrative state would give up such an opportunity to further exert control over the populace? I'm thinking that'd be a 'No'.
                          I have no problem with this waiting until the shift to autonomous vehicles starts to reduce private vehicle ownership. Then it would be pretty clear cut matter of public policy, the only information needed by government is the vehicles mileage (and even what roads are used to even more precisely allocate funds for maintenance), but no information on the actual passengers.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Marcus1124 View Post

                            I have no problem with this waiting until the shift to autonomous vehicles starts to reduce private vehicle ownership. Then it would be pretty clear cut matter of public policy, the only information needed by government is the vehicles mileage (and even what roads are used to even more precisely allocate funds for maintenance), but no information on the actual passengers.
                            Sorry, but not me. I enjoy driving too much. Yeah, not so much in rush hour traffic, and after a few hours on long stretches it can get boring a bit, but I still enjoy the mere act and activity of driving. Now, if you really want to get me going, let me drive on a road circuit. Now that's fun!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post

                              Sorry, but not me. I enjoy driving too much. Yeah, not so much in rush hour traffic, and after a few hours on long stretches it can get boring a bit, but I still enjoy the mere act and activity of driving. Now, if you really want to get me going, let me drive on a road circuit. Now that's fun!
                              What do you drive ?

                              A Mustang Shelby ?

                              Got too once.

                              Scary the power

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