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Now... You Too Can Be A Union Thug!

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  • #16
    Re: Now... You Too Can Be A Union Thug!

    Saw this on the TV this morning, but work being busy, didn't have a chance to post it until now.

    Sections
    Background
    Facts About Fairness

    A Top Quality Workforce
    Representative of Philadelphia
    Honest Wages for Honest Work
    Where does the Money Go?
    Post Cares about the Community

    How Union Negotiations Work

    Union Tactics: Public Disparagement
    Union Tactics: Influence
    Union Tactics: Bullying
    Union Tactics: Violence and Vandalism
    Why The Unions Are So Upset
    Hurting Their Workers and the Community

    Background
    The Philadelphia Construction Unions (aka Building and Construction Trades Council or Philadelphia Building Trades Union) are engaged in a relentless campaign to publicly vilify Post Brothers for destroying communities and being unfair to construction workers.

    In addition, many Unions have employed constant and ruthless property damage and physical assault in order to do everything physically possible to halt the progress of construction on our development projects.

    We go out of our way to try to work with the Philadelphia Building Trades Unions, and the Unions publicly defamatory actions are completely untrue and unwarranted. We are proud of our local, competitively paid work force and our role in the development of the communities in which we are active.

    Despite the activities of the Philadelphia Building Trade Unions, Post Brothers Apartments is not an anti-union company we routinely use Philadelphia Building Trade Union contractors, and we support the general principles behind the creation of unions including fair treatment of workers, which has long been forgotten by the Philadelphia Building Trade Unions.
    Post Brothers Apartments Struggle With the Philadelphia Building Trades Unions

    Seems that a decent run family construction business who chooses not to use union labor, yet take good care of their labor force without all the union rules, is being harassed and bullied by union thugs who want those construction jobs to be union jobs. OK by me, but the union needs to compete to get those jobs.

    However, rather than competing with the non-union labor force on some aspect of the job that needs to be done, i.e. speed, quality, workmanship, price, whatever, they'd much rather drive the business out of Philly at a loss of jobs, and hurting the community. Nice guys, after all, I guess.

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    • #17
      Re: Now... You Too Can Be A Union Thug!

      In addition, many Unions have employed constant and ruthless property damage and physical assault in order to do everything physically possible to halt the progress of construction on our development projects.
      I lost a site superintendent... thrown from the roof of a building in 1985 in Philadelphia.

      FUBAR the rest of his life. The union cops, knowing what really happened promised to 'investigate' No arrests never took place.

      Philadelphia unions are the worse... I'd only ever go back... with automatic weapons.

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      • #18
        Re: Now... You Too Can Be A Union Thug!

        Originally posted by tsquare View Post
        I lost a site superintendent... thrown from the roof of a building in 1985 in Philadelphia.

        FUBAR the rest of his life. The union cops, knowing what really happened promised to 'investigate' No arrests never took place.

        Philadelphia unions are the worse... I'd only ever go back... with automatic weapons.
        And yet some have the position that Unions are the savior of the middle class from the exploitative rich. Haven't see Jet around, have you?

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        • #19
          Re: Now... You Too Can Be A Union Thug!

          Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
          And yet some have the position that Unions are the savior of the middle class from the exploitative rich. Haven't see Jet around, have you?
          No, I think he's taking some time off...

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          • #20
            Re: Now... You Too Can Be A Union Thug!

            Originally posted by tsquare View Post
            No, I think he's taking some time off...
            Too bad. He'll miss this story, and probably this thread as well.

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            • #21
              Re: Now... You Too Can Be A Union Thug!

              Far too many unions exsist to promote politics that have nothing to do with the union, are simple fraud to support a few parasites, an criminal conspiracy. If a union doesn't work to preserve and improve the quality of its workforce it's B.S.

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              • #22
                Re: Now... You Too Can Be A Union Thug!

                Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                Far too many unions exsist to promote politics that have nothing to do with the union, are simple fraud to support a few parasites, an criminal conspiracy. If a union doesn't work to preserve and improve the quality of its workforce it's B.S.
                I'm hard pressed to believe that there is a single workplace in the US that doesn't treat it's workforce in an acceptable manner, a manner in which union intervention, such as was needed during the robber baron times. My conclusion is that, for the largest part, unions have outlived their usefulness, and are, as is most typical, bureaucratic organizations that live on well beyond their usefulness, who's sole purpose is to continue to perpetuate themselves and their political agenda, consequences on their members be dammed.

                But that's just me.

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                • #23
                  Re: Now... You Too Can Be A Union Thug!

                  I'm sure lots of employers without unions do as they please within the law worker comfort, morale, and improvement be damned. Plenty employers bend laws and regulations as well that watchdogs might stop and prevent, unions can serve in that capacity when a workers recourse is otherwise supervisors (great way to get fired) or the authorities (great way to get a facility shut down).
                  Part of what a union should be doing is imroving the quality of the workforce they represent, without that they really don't have much of a reason to promote their existence.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Now... You Too Can Be A Union Thug!

                    It has been my experience that unions do more to promote and protect their own self interests over the interests of their members or the good of the company.

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                    • #25
                      Re: Now... You Too Can Be A Union Thug!

                      Originally posted by tsquare View Post
                      That's right boys and girls... just as the thread title says:



                      News flash for The Hill: unions have been 'more representative of the left than of its members' for years an years.

                      Many of you here insist that unions are the best thing known to man. Why then is there: a crisis of membership?

                      Thoughts...

                      Labor, with union membership declining, will woo non-workers - The Hill - covering Congress, Politics, Political Campaigns and Capitol Hill | TheHill.com
                      I would imagine the reason is of the same nature as why we keep voting in people who don't represent average americans. Ignorance, or simple stupidity.

                      Americans today have no clue what is even in their best interest. And so they keep doing the same things, expecting different results, which Einstein said was the definition of insanity.

                      We keep voting in people that do not represent us, and we keep voting against unions. We ignore the fact that greedy men will do whatever they can get away with in order to make themselves rich. They have no morals, and will only treat people in a correct manner if forced, by either law or unions, and we need both. Because of the power of wealth to affect the system in which it lives. When the tunnel vision is only looking to creating wealth for oneself, someone has to look after what lies outside that tunnel vision, and to protect others from that tunnel vision.

                      Turning employers loose, depending upon the better side of human nature is a losing proposition for those who are not employers. To not recognize the power and influence of money, to not see the exploitation being done by employers on the poor overseas, is to be basically blinded to reality by an ideology. This is what many employers would do, if that had the chance, here, in America. Because only maxing out profit has value to these people. By human exploitation, if you will allow it.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Now... You Too Can Be A Union Thug!

                        Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                        I'm hard pressed to believe that there is a single workplace in the US that doesn't treat it's workforce in an acceptable manner, a manner in which union intervention, such as was needed during the robber baron times. My conclusion is that, for the largest part, unions have outlived their usefulness, and are, as is most typical, bureaucratic organizations that live on well beyond their usefulness, who's sole purpose is to continue to perpetuate themselves and their political agenda, consequences on their members be dammed.

                        But that's just me.
                        As long as man is driven, controlled by the base side of human nature, unions will be needed, whether we have them or not.

                        Unions arose as a reaction to something that was unfair, and even immoral. The very thing that drove those employers to be as they were is still with us, as it is human nature. Unions aid in creating a larger middle class. Middle classes are good. Unions aided in expanding our own.

                        Unions were one of the factors in providing a living wage for work done, as well as being a factor in workplace safety. Earlier employers only cared for the profits, as many do today, those that moved to china to exploit over there, an already trodden down people.

                        Employers used to work children, because....they could. And it was obviously profitable to do so. Profits. Whenever profits trumps everything, even human beings, unions rise as a reaction to that. And that which made unions rise in the first place isn't going anywhere, it is alive and well, waiting for an opportunity to reveal itself again.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Now... You Too Can Be A Union Thug!

                          Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                          As long as man is driven, controlled by the base side of human nature, unions will be needed, whether we have them or not.

                          Unions arose as a reaction to something that was unfair, and even immoral. The very thing that drove those employers to be as they were is still with us, as it is human nature. Unions aid in creating a larger middle class. Middle classes are good. Unions aided in expanding our own.

                          Unions were one of the factors in providing a living wage for work done, as well as being a factor in workplace safety. Earlier employers only cared for the profits, as many do today, those that moved to china to exploit over there, an already trodden down people.

                          Employers used to work children, because....they could. And it was obviously profitable to do so. Profits. Whenever profits trumps everything, even human beings, unions rise as a reaction to that. And that which made unions rise in the first place isn't going anywhere, it is alive and well, waiting for an opportunity to reveal itself again.
                          While I agree that from the 100% business perspective profits trumps everything else, I really don't believe that very many businesses, nor very many business owners or managers are driven to that extreme. A straw man then that you propose?

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                          • #28
                            Re: Now... You Too Can Be A Union Thug!

                            Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                            While I agree that from the 100% business perspective profits trumps everything else, I really don't believe that very many businesses, nor very many business owners or managers are driven to that extreme. A straw man then that you propose?
                            Sure this was over 100 years ago: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trian...t_Factory_fire

                            My greatgrandmother worked there, she didn't go to work that day so she could care for one of my grandfather's ill siblings. They still catch employers sealing exits to keep workers from stealing or taking cigarette breaks, so yeah employers will put profit above everything else.

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