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This Is What Globalization Was All About

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  • #31
    Re: This Is What Globalization Was All About

    Originally posted by CYDdharta View Post
    Personally, I'd put globalization well before Reagan had any national clout. I remember in the 70's and 80's how Japan was going to buy out the US (with dire warnings I find amusingly similar to what we hear today). None of the toys were made in the US anymore, they all came from Taiwan (what can I say, I was a kid), and all the cheap novelty items came from Pakistan.
    Do you really think it's in a nation's best interest to lose most of it's manufacturing base?

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    • #32
      Re: This Is What Globalization Was All About

      Originally posted by Pogo View Post
      Do you really think it's in a nation's best interest to lose most of it's manufacturing base?

      Apparently, according to the EPA, OSHA, and a dozen other federal agencies; it isn't in the nation's best interest to manufacture here.

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      • #33
        Re: This Is What Globalization Was All About

        Originally posted by CYDdharta View Post
        Apparently, according to the EPA, OSHA, and a dozen other federal agencies; it isn't in the nation's best interest to manufacture here.
        A company's bottom line is something quite different from a nation's best interest.

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        • #34
          Re: This Is What Globalization Was All About

          Originally posted by CYDdharta View Post
          Apparently, according to the EPA, OSHA, and a dozen other federal agencies; it isn't in the nation's best interest to manufacture here.
          Companies can and do manufacture in the US (you have this tiny aircraft manufacturer called Boeing or something like that) the government would just rather you didn't let them completely destroy the environment in the process.

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          • #35
            Re: This Is What Globalization Was All About

            Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
            Companies can and do manufacture in the US (you have this tiny aircraft manufacturer called Boeing or something like that) the government would just rather you didn't let them completely destroy the environment in the process.
            Well, countries like Japan or Germany ( recently also increasingly joined by the UK again) are proving that and how first world economies can sucessfully compete with China. It is a question of knowledge clusters, education, job training, tax incentives, labour relations, business mentality and many other things that create a competitive environment. What the US is lacking is quite obviously a coherent economic plan (Neither whining, nor protectionism, nor flooding the domestic and the global economy with endless amounts of dollars hoping for better days are economic plans) while constantly passing half-baked advice around (like that certain other nations should consume more etc.).
            Neither the sell-out of american manufacturing to China nor the budget buried under a debt avalanche is inevitable (as others nations, as well as companies like Boeing are demonstrating). But globalization is. The US and the chinese economy are already joined at the hip though, as the result of conscious decisions by conscious leaders. That makes significant, and even perfectly sensible modifications to the US economic model rather science fiction. At least for the foreseeable future.
            Regardless who sits in the White House.

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            • #36
              Re: This Is What Globalization Was All About

              Originally posted by Pogo View Post
              A company's bottom line is something quite different from a nation's best interest.
              Quite true. But when you don't make it worthwhile for a company to produce things in your country.....they won't.

              So you kinda do have to be aware of what's in companies best interests, when they're perfectly free to move.

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              • #37
                Re: This Is What Globalization Was All About

                Originally posted by 9aces View Post
                Quite true. But when you don't make it worthwhile for a company to produce things in your country.....they won't.

                So you kinda do have to be aware of what's in companies best interests, when they're perfectly free to move.
                If corporate "persons" feel disobliged to demonstrate a modicum of patriotism, what business does the gov't have asking young men and women to risk getting blown to bits for a mere pittance?

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                • #38
                  Re: This Is What Globalization Was All About

                  Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                  Companies can and do manufacture in the US (you have this tiny aircraft manufacturer called Boeing or something like that) the government would just rather you didn't let them completely destroy the environment in the process.
                  The EPA and/or OSHA allow some manufacturers to continue operating in the US. They can shut the doors to any and every one of those companies at any moment they see fit just by enforcing all of the rules and regulations already on the books. And by completely destroy the environment you must be referring to things like the new Mercury and Air Toxics Standards;


                  Mercury and Air Toxics Standards are public health standards that fail to serve an actual public health purpose. The EPA’s justification for this regulation is the need to protect a supposed population of pregnant, subsistence fisherwomen, who consume more than 225 pounds of self-caught fish from exclusively the top 10 percent most polluted bodies of fresh, inland water. Notably, the EPA never identified a single member of this putative population; rather, they were modeled to exist. Despite this absurd justification, the Mercury and Air Toxics Standards constitute one of the most expensive regulations ever. It would apply to all existing and new coal-fired power plants and cost almost $10 billion annually.
                  .. or Regional Haze;

                  Regional Haze is a federal visibility regulation that has proven ineffective. Because it is strictly an aesthetic regulation intended solely to improve visibility in national parks and wildlife refuges—and not a public health rule—Congress intended for states to be the lead decision makers. But despite Congress’s intent that states call the shots on Regional Haze, the EPA disapproved Oklahoma’s visibility improvement plan and imposed a federal plan instead. The agency’s plan imposed almost $1.8 billion in capital costs on six coal-fired power generators in Oklahoma.
                  north-dakota-regional-haze.jpg
                  http://cei.org/sites/default/files/W...0Overreach.pdf

                  …or stopping someone from building on this “wetland” property which is already surrounded by houses;

                  sackett-property.jpg
                  The Next Step for the Sacketts | National Review Online

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                  • #39
                    Re: This Is What Globalization Was All About

                    Originally posted by Pogo View Post
                    A company's bottom line is something quite different from a nation's best interest.

                    Over-regulation is in no one's best interest (except for needless bureaucrats).

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                    • #40
                      Re: This Is What Globalization Was All About

                      Originally posted by CYDdharta View Post
                      Over-regulation is in no one's best interest (except for needless bureaucrats).
                      Does patriotic duty go out the window for all persons on account of this over-regulation, or only for the corporate persons?

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                      • #41
                        Re: This Is What Globalization Was All About

                        Originally posted by Pogo View Post
                        Does patriotic duty go out the window for all persons on account of this over-regulation, or only for the corporate persons?
                        Do you consider it a patriotic duty for a company to lose money just so it can hire Americans? Companies that manufacture things in China would still manufacture them here if they could make a profit. In fact, they would make things in both places if it meant a profit. Businesses move to china because they need to compete with imports. Many businesses like electronics manufacturers held on here as long as they could but Japanese imports put them out of business or made them move.

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                        • #42
                          Re: This Is What Globalization Was All About

                          Originally posted by Pogo View Post
                          Does patriotic duty go out the window for all persons on account of this over-regulation, or only for the corporate persons?

                          I’d say the legislatures passing all these ridiculous regulations and the government agencies enforcing them have a greater patriotic duty.

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                          • #43
                            Re: This Is What Globalization Was All About

                            Originally posted by Pogo View Post
                            If corporate "persons" feel disobliged to demonstrate a modicum of patriotism, what business does the gov't have asking young men and women to risk getting blown to bits for a mere pittance?
                            I don't remember the government asking, and indeed, what business do they have doing it?

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                            Originally posted by Pogo View Post
                            Does patriotic duty go out the window for all persons on account of this over-regulation, or only for the corporate persons?
                            Yep.

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                            • #44
                              Re: This Is What Globalization Was All About

                              Originally posted by CYDdharta View Post
                              I’d say the legislatures passing all these ridiculous regulations and the government agencies enforcing them have a greater patriotic duty.
                              That doesn't answer my question.

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                              • #45
                                Re: This Is What Globalization Was All About

                                Originally posted by 9aces View Post
                                I don't remember the government asking, and indeed, what business do they have doing it?
                                It runs ads and has recruiters on college campuses in every state.

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