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  • Pay Raises At The Gap

    I'm behind this 1000%

    Thousands of Gap Inc. employees will start seeing a pay check boost this week when the companys pledge to raise its minimum hourly wage to $9 goes into effect.

    Some 65,000 workers employed at stores, distribution centers and fulfillment centers across Gap, Banana Republic, Piperlime, Athleta and Intermix, will benefit by the time Gap Inc. completes its promised increase to $10 per hour in June 2015, the company said. Gap has seven St. Louis area stores, according to its website.
    Now just why would the money grubbing assholes that run The Gap do this?

    In detailing the program, the company said an analysis determined the hike can strengthen our ability to attract and retain a skilled, enthusiastic and engaged workforce and that investing in our frontline talent will strengthen and deepen relationships with our customers.
    Hmmm...

    But... but... but... won't that make 'winners' (those that get hired) and 'losers' (those that don't)?

    Bet your ass it will...

    And that boys and girls is how it is supposed to work...

    http://www.stltoday.com/business/loc...6dcf35cf2.html

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    Re: Pay Raises At The Gap

    Originally posted by tsquare View Post
    I'm behind this 1000%



    Now just why would the money grubbing assholes that run The Gap do this?



    Hmmm...

    But... but... but... won't that make 'winners' (those that get hired) and 'losers' (those that don't)?

    Bet your ass it will...

    And that boys and girls is how it is supposed to work...

    http://www.stltoday.com/business/loc...6dcf35cf2.html
    I share in your elation. And once they finally get that 10 bucks an hour, they will only be 3 or 4 dollars short of the adjusted for inflation min. wage. Since that is what the minimum wage would be today when the 1968 min wage rate is adjusted, and since the clothing they sell costs them less relatively speaking, given that we no longer make the clothes, but folks in the cheap labor East, do, Why not just pay their people the 1968 adjusted min wage? Then their employees would be as well off as those min wage employees were in 1968.

    We just look at this entire deal differently. It's hard to be as elated as you when even after the raises, they still make less than the min wage employees in 1968. But I can understand how this would make a con feel pretty good.

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      Re: Pay Raises At The Gap

      Go ahead, keep unleashing your two minute hate on the businesses, instead of the politicians that inflate all the worth out of your money.

      Its worked so well over the past 40 years.

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      • #4
        Re: Pay Raises At The Gap

        Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
        I share in your elation. And once they finally get that 10 bucks an hour, they will only be 3 or 4 dollars short of the adjusted for inflation min. wage. Since that is what the minimum wage would be today when the 1968 min wage rate is adjusted, and since the clothing they sell costs them less relatively speaking, given that we no longer make the clothes, but folks in the cheap labor East, do, Why not just pay their people the 1968 adjusted min wage? Then their employees would be as well off as those min wage employees were in 1968.

        We just look at this entire deal differently. It's hard to be as elated as you when even after the raises, they still make less than the min wage employees in 1968. But I can understand how this would make a con feel pretty good.
        Maybe because you would buy clothes somewhere else. The same reason we stopped making steel, televisions, and toilets. You and I won't pay half again for the same product we can buy elsewhere.

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          Re: Pay Raises At The Gap

          Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
          I share in your elation. And once they finally get that 10 bucks an hour, they will only be 3 or 4 dollars short of the adjusted for inflation min. wage. Since that is what the minimum wage would be today when the 1968 min wage rate is adjusted, and since the clothing they sell costs them less relatively speaking, given that we no longer make the clothes, but folks in the cheap labor East, do, Why not just pay their people the 1968 adjusted min wage? Then their employees would be as well off as those min wage employees were in 1968.

          We just look at this entire deal differently. It's hard to be as elated as you when even after the raises, they still make less than the min wage employees in 1968. But I can understand how this would make a con feel pretty good.
          What you and all the whiny ass liberals forgot are 2 things.

          1: Minimum wage is an ENTRY level pay. If you are making entry level you really need to look in the mirror and ask yourself why.

          2: These unions, the SEIU for example, who are helping in these 15/hr pay increases and pushing for minimum wage increase have their 20/hr pay tied to minimum so it is a way to get a raise for them without having to go back to the negotiating table or waiting till the contract is up again.

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          • #6
            Re: Pay Raises At The Gap

            Originally posted by tsquare View Post
            I'm behind this 1000%



            Now just why would the money grubbing assholes that run The Gap do this?



            Hmmm...

            But... but... but... won't that make 'winners' (those that get hired) and 'losers' (those that don't)?

            Bet your ass it will...

            And that boys and girls is how it is supposed to work...

            http://www.stltoday.com/business/loc...6dcf35cf2.html
            (chuckle)

            You realize of course that on July 1 the California minimum wage goes up to $9.00 an hour right? You also realize that The Gap originated and is headquartered in San Francisco - right?

            Funny; you're funny Ted,

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            • #7
              Re: Pay Raises At The Gap

              Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
              What you and all the whiny ass liberals forgot are 2 things.

              1: Minimum wage is an ENTRY level pay. If you are making entry level you really need to look in the mirror and ask yourself why.

              2: These unions, the SEIU for example, who are helping in these 15/hr pay increases and pushing for minimum wage increase have their 20/hr pay tied to minimum so it is a way to get a raise for them without having to go back to the negotiating table or waiting till the contract is up again.
              So when anyone starts a new job, in certain sectors, we get around paying them enough to live on, and to do this, we invent the term, "level entry pay"...

              The absurdity of it is obvious. It does take some intelligence to question this, and most times we just accept it. That is not how I ran my own business, for when someone showed up and needed a job, I didn't have the heart or immorality, to pay the guy less than it takes to live. For he was there, in order to work to in order to survive, on his own, without help from taxpayers.

              The paradigm forced upon working people has got to change, into something that resembles common decency. Now I know, capitalism has been scrubbed clean of decency and morality, for you can make greater profits the other way, but that's much of the problem.

              If society doesn't treat people fairly, decently, you get more problems than you can ever solve, in so many areas.

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              • #8
                Re: Pay Raises At The Gap

                Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                So when anyone starts a new job, in certain sectors, we get around paying them enough to live on, and to do this, we invent the term, "level entry pay"...

                The absurdity of it is obvious. It does take some intelligence to question this, and most times we just accept it. That is not how I ran my own business, for when someone showed up and needed a job, I didn't have the heart or immorality, to pay the guy less than it takes to live. For he was there, in order to work to in order to survive, on his own, without help from taxpayers.

                The paradigm forced upon working people has got to change, into something that resembles common decency. Now I know, capitalism has been scrubbed clean of decency and morality, for you can make greater profits the other way, but that's much of the problem.

                If society doesn't treat people fairly, decently, you get more problems than you can ever solve, in so many areas.
                Tell us, why did you sell your business? Could it be that you couldn't compete while paying wages above what they command?

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                • #9
                  Re: Pay Raises At The Gap

                  Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                  Tell us, why did you sell your business? Could it be that you couldn't compete while paying wages above what they command?
                  I sold out for one simple reason. My wife was retiring from teaching and she wanted us to spend the years we had left, together, doing some traveling, doing things that we didn't have time for when I was working 6 days a week. The feller who now owns this business had to cut back after the crash, but told me a few weeks ago that he is doing just fine. Most of my old employees are still there, but some retired like me as time passed, after the sale.

                  BTW, the savings that I would not take, by buying foreign made materials is no longer there. You can't buy many of the materials I used anymore, as they are no longer American made, and god only knows what is in the composite wood products now. And those foreign made materials are no longer as cheap as they were when they first got into the market. Imagine that!!!! LOL. Which brings us to the other reason I sold out. I could see the writing in the tea leaves. My very high quality products are no longer possible to make for the materials are inferior. So, you don't see the quality anymore, but the profits are still quite good, even if you pay a living wage in this particular sector.

                  I had perhaps close to a hundred routers, and when they were made in America, they would last literally forever. What is sold today you will be lucky if one lasts a couple months. The quality of many of these tools have dropped horribly, and that means more expensive in the long run. For you must replace them, unless you can get them refurbed here in America. But all of the parts are foreign made, so that doesn't help at all. And I don't mean these things are made in Germany either. There wouldn't be a problem is that were the case.

                  I also find it amazing that the regulations you guys holler about have not affected my old business in any negative way. But I never felt the feds anyways when I owned that business, outside of safety, which was common sense, and most responsible owners were already meeting those standards. For it was common sense. Those standards were for the irresponsible, and so never bothered me.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Pay Raises At The Gap

                    OMD just can't believe that a company with ethical pay standards can survive even though there are many examples.
                    Not every company is determined to get more profit by paying as little as they can get away with.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Pay Raises At The Gap

                      Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                      OMD just can't believe that a company with ethical pay standards can survive even though there are many examples.
                      Not every company is determined to get more profit by paying as little as they can get away with.
                      Would you purchase stock in a company that was not concerned with making a profit?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Pay Raises At The Gap

                        Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                        OMD just can't believe that a company with ethical pay standards can survive even though there are many examples.
                        Not every company is determined to get more profit by paying as little as they can get away with.
                        And making the point I've been trying to make here:

                        I'm good with that. It's their money, let them pay as they wish. That my friend is freedom.

                        And:

                        If they pay more and get to pick the best of the best of the workers... GOOD FOR THEM

                        If they pay more and get customers because of it... GOOD FOR THEM

                        If they pay more and get investors because of it... GOOD FOR THEM

                        But...

                        If none of that happens, and they have to go back to doing something else... they should be able to do so... not be forced to continue to pay higher wages.

                        And that is freedom, and Peter, you and your far left friends just don't get that.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Pay Raises At The Gap

                          Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                          OMD just can't believe that a company with ethical pay standards can survive even though there are many examples.
                          Not every company is determined to get more profit by paying as little as they can get away with.
                          I am afraid the oldman has lost his way, as many have.

                          I can well recall when businesses paid their employees enough to survive on, and that is all I really want. And some companies still do that, but the move is away from that, which manifested itself when corporations could flee from living wages into working poor wages overseas, for they demanded more profits. Why is it that we must forever work to increase profits? It's a sickness, from sociopathy IMO. Why and how could I be settled with a particular profit margin for decades? One reason. I didn't have the drive to become rich. I just wanted a decent living standard, for me and my employees. That was my goal, and thank God I was able to do that, within the sector that I was in.

                          When I worked for a corporation years ago, before I got my own business, there was ever pressure to push up margins, profits. And it got to the point, that if you didn't, although you may have been profitable, you could lose your job over it. Since our major cost was labor, guess where you got the greater profit from? LOL. Well, I was told to replace all of my old managers, who were making a decent living, with new ones which would work for much less. And to find a reason to get rid of them. And in that sector, this was how they operated. The state employment folks here would always side with the employer, and they did. I finally couldn't take it anymore and left. I felt dirty, I felt like I was exploiting other people, and I decided I could no longer do that, although my salary was great, and the perks were outstanding. And having the power of the financial futures of my employees didn't gratify me at all. I was not a sociopath, so I was ill fitted for such work.

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                            Re: Pay Raises At The Gap

                            Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
                            What you and all the whiny ass liberals forgot are 2 things.

                            1: Minimum wage is an ENTRY level pay. If you are making entry level you really need to look in the mirror and ask yourself why.

                            2: These unions, the SEIU for example, who are helping in these 15/hr pay increases and pushing for minimum wage increase have their 20/hr pay tied to minimum so it is a way to get a raise for them without having to go back to the negotiating table or waiting till the contract is up again.
                            Minimum wage was the field of teenagers doing part time work and working in the summer. As immigration increased (from Mexico and the Phillippines) minimum wage jobs became careers and young kids, just like with paper routes, got pushed out of the market. So now the minimum wage has necessarily become a living wage.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Pay Raises At The Gap

                              Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                              Would you purchase stock in a company that was not concerned with making a profit?
                              No, I wouldn't. But no one is saying this. Would you purchase stock from a company that exploited its workers, the ones who was making the profits for the company? I wouldn't.
                              But most people would, even those liberals you speak of. For when it comes to making money, the person who is seeking profits from stocks just wants profits and doesn't care how the profits are made. Should we care? I think so, but few feel the same way.

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