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  • tsquare
    started a topic Pay Raises At The Gap

    Pay Raises At The Gap

    I'm behind this 1000%

    Thousands of Gap Inc. employees will start seeing a pay check boost this week when the company’s pledge to raise its minimum hourly wage to $9 goes into effect.

    Some 65,000 workers employed at stores, distribution centers and fulfillment centers across Gap, Banana Republic, Piperlime, Athleta and Intermix, will benefit by the time Gap Inc. completes its promised increase to $10 per hour in June 2015, the company said. Gap has seven St. Louis area stores, according to its website.
    Now just why would the money grubbing assholes that run The Gap do this?

    In detailing the program, the company said an analysis determined the hike “can strengthen our ability to attract and retain a skilled, enthusiastic and engaged workforce” and that “investing in our frontline talent will strengthen and deepen relationships with our customers.”
    Hmmm...

    But... but... but... won't that make 'winners' (those that get hired) and 'losers' (those that don't)?

    Bet your ass it will...

    And that boys and girls is how it is supposed to work...

    http://www.stltoday.com/business/loc...6dcf35cf2.html

  • Wlessard
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    Re: Pay Raises At The Gap

    Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
    I remember when the service sector was low paying in these various chain stores. But back then, we had manufacturing which provided the living wages. We lost much of that, and it is now said we have a service sector economy....and its in large part low paying, and you cannot survive on the wages. So, seems to me like we just need to demand that all service sector work pay living wages, like manufacturing use to do, before much of it left for china.

    Perhaps the days of paying non living wages for service work need to be killed and buried. For it is one of the engines for employment now, as we have lost the industrialization, and people have to eat.
    Go for it, buy chinese, cheap, cheap junk. wear out or break throw it away.

    Regulations, taxes 0 skill people thinking they deserve more. When I worked at Ford, I made 15/hr while some 18 year old just out of high school was paid 20/hr to put tab A into slot B on a car. That wasn't that long ago.

    No unions in china, slave wages. Hell if they got the equivalent of 3.35/hr from the early 80's they would be living in luxury.

    Every "made in china" item you buy helps companies stay overseas. Ever push for higher minimum wage gives manufacturing companies more incentive to move because their union paychecks are tied to the minimum wage and if you give someone 3/hr more then they get 3/hr more as well.


    But don't let pesky things like facts get in the way of a feel good argument. Enjoy your made in china stuff and realize you are a hypocrite.

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  • Blue Doggy
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    Re: Pay Raises At The Gap

    I remember when the service sector was low paying in these various chain stores. But back then, we had manufacturing which provided the living wages. We lost much of that, and it is now said we have a service sector economy....and its in large part low paying, and you cannot survive on the wages. So, seems to me like we just need to demand that all service sector work pay living wages, like manufacturing use to do, before much of it left for china.

    Perhaps the days of paying non living wages for service work need to be killed and buried. For it is one of the engines for employment now, as we have lost the industrialization, and people have to eat.

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  • Chloe
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    Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
    OMD just can't believe that a company with ethical pay standards can survive even though there are many examples.
    Not every company is determined to get more profit by paying as little as they can get away with.
    Meh they don't do it for ethical purposes.

    Walmart is regularly in favor of minimum wage hikes. So they can pay their employees more?

    No.

    So folks right at the bottom of the barrel have more to spend.

    Where are they likely to spend it? Places like Walmart.

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  • Blue Doggy
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    Originally posted by jet57 View Post
    Right. That's the part that the cons don't want to talk about. For them the world is strictly a one way street that is pro business: it's like a cult; well, it is a cult. There are so many graduates in the US with huuuuge student debt and no party to go to. The cons, actually - []intentionally[/i] - ignore that reality. It's the only reasonable conclusion that can be reached.

    They live in this fire circle . . .
    The cons say these people with degrees got them in English lit or something like that. And not in a field that has some demand left for educated people when it comes to a job.

    And perhaps the cons are right about some of these college grads, but I doubt if the majority of these people have degrees in useless fields. We know that grads in particular fields are sitting home, as people imported from india who will work cheaper took the jobs they would have had. Hell man, it's the current economic model that is construed to max out profits and nothing else.

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  • jet57
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    Originally posted by Texan View Post
    I have an aunt with a 50 year old degree in architecture. She is wicked intelligent, but doesn't have a bit of common sense. After she divorced, she did nothing but survival type jobs. She lives like a hippy outside of Austin. Some people just can't live up to their potential.

    Good for the Gap employees. The Gap should pay what they want. Paying more will keep more qualified people working by competition for the higher wages. Minimum wage is not meant to be a permanent status and anybody not moving up past minimum wage is not working very hard.
    Your aunt is enlightened: you should appreciate her and learn.

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  • Texan
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    I have an aunt with a 50 year old degree in architecture. She is wicked intelligent, but doesn't have a bit of common sense. After she divorced, she did nothing but survival type jobs. She lives like a hippy outside of Austin. Some people just can't live up to their potential.

    Good for the Gap employees. The Gap should pay what they want. Paying more will keep more qualified people working by competition for the higher wages. Minimum wage is not meant to be a permanent status and anybody not moving up past minimum wage is not working very hard.

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  • jet57
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    Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
    I've worked in a warehouse with a couple of polish guys whose previous job was technicians at a nuclear power plant and they both had Phd's.
    Right. That's the part that the cons don't want to talk about. For them the world is strictly a one way street that is pro business: it's like a cult; well, it is a cult. There are so many graduates in the US with huuuuge student debt and no party to go to. The cons, actually - []intentionally[/i] - ignore that reality. It's the only reasonable conclusion that can be reached.

    They live in this fire circle . . .

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  • JDJarvis
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    Re: Pay Raises At The Gap

    Originally posted by tsquare View Post
    And what did they do for that 20-30 years in their industry?

    If they spent 20-30 years, and after that, all they can do is work at McDonnell's... THEY HAVE MINIMUM WAGE SKILLS!

    That said... good for them that they are doing something... far better that, than doing nothing. And if they are working at McDonnell's for a short time while re-training, so much the better.

    But... if they or anyone else thinks that McDonnell's is or should be a replacement for a high-skill high pay job, then they are batshit crazy.
    You are out of touch with reality. There are plenty of people who were once earing 60K+ that have been forced to take any job possble because of the economic downturn. How the hell do you "re-train" while pushing burgers? Where's the money for that coming from?
    Last edited by JDJarvis; 06-24-2014, 07:05 PM.

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  • PeterUK75
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    Originally posted by reality View Post
    Thank the environmentalists for them not being able to find a job. As polandball would say: Kurwa!
    The reason they were with us had sod all to do with environmentalism and everything to do with them getting more money in the UK than Poland.

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  • reality
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    Re: Pay Raises At The Gap

    Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
    I've worked in a warehouse with a couple of polish guys whose previous job was technicians at a nuclear power plant and they both had Phd's.
    Thank the environmentalists for them not being able to find a job. As polandball would say: Kurwa!

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  • PeterUK75
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    Originally posted by jet57 View Post
    That is a ridiculous talking point. Minimum wage jobs are full of skilled people who cannot find work in their fields becasue corporate America is harding all their money. Wages in this country have been driven down to the point of being just over minimum wage; a fact which I have shown over and again in these threads.

    I think you're just being a contrarious to save your ideology.
    I've worked in a warehouse with a couple of polish guys whose previous job was technicians at a nuclear power plant and they both had Phd's.

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  • PeterUK75
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    Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
    Would you purchase stock in a company that was not concerned with making a profit?
    Where did I suggest that a company that paid above the average is not concerned with making a profit?
    In the UK we have 2 perfect examples of companies that pay staff above the going rate and are huve successes with lots of investors

    Marks & Spencer
    The Co-op

    Both are huge companies with large profits so yes people do invest in companies with good ethical pay standards.

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  • jet57
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    Originally posted by tsquare View Post
    And yet, in spite of me telling you over and over, and over again... you still don't know why.

    Why are adults holding minimum wage jobs?

    BECAUSE THEY HAVE MINIMUM WAGE SKILLS!
    That is a ridiculous talking point. Minimum wage jobs are full of skilled people who cannot find work in their fields becasue corporate America is harding all their money. Wages in this country have been driven down to the point of being just over minimum wage; a fact which I have shown over and again in these threads.

    I think you're just being a contrarious to save your ideology.

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  • Wlessard
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    Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
    Yeah, I recall when min wage mostly applied to kids, but with the great changes in our economic model, those min wages are now for adults.

    I managed a McDs while doing my last year or so in college, and most of our employees were kids. Min wage jobs. Yet we had a core of older people, and they were never hired in at min wage. We actually barely paid them enough to survive on without having to resort to safety nets. The fast food places here no longer employ kids. For there are too many grown ups seeking those jobs now. And the kids are not seeking them, as it's a "McJob" and frowned upon. So these adults are paid a dime or two above minimum and are on social safety nets. That is reality.

    As a store mgr. at Mcd's in the early 70s, I made 22 grand a year. If you adjust for inflation, those same managers are not making what I made. WHY? The wages of workers have decreased as min wage is not adjusted up to what it would be if you adjusted the 1968 rates.
    So what you are saying is that you are ignoring the many links in the past year I have posted that proves that about 1% of the people earning minimum wage are doing so to pay for their families to survive. The studies are out there on what percentage of people are actually making minimum and the largest chunk is age 16 to 25. The next largest are those working a second job for more income then the percentages which also in turn are actual numbers are tiny.

    Plus in my previous comment you ignore the ulterior motive of the Unions supporting this. They really don't care if some 18 year old makes 8 or 15/hr they care that increasing that will increase their paycheck.

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