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  • #91
    Re: Real Science By Real Scientists

    @Pikkumyy:

    The more you post, the more you demonstrate how little you know about actual science. That's the funny part. Your understanding of the scientific method stops right after "make a hypothesis." Or, rather, it goes "make a hypothesis ...form your conclusion!"

    By the way, I'd be quite happy if you went to work on Monday morning and told your boss whatever you wanted to. The fact that you're using technology to perform a job doesn't constitute "science." Also, the fact that you conclude that I said that "what you do is useless" only demonstrates an attempt to change the subject. Since you cannot demonstrate any scientific knowledge, now you're attempting to create a false argument that is completely unrelated. So you're also quite unable to debate, on top of not knowing science.

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    • #92
      Re: Real Science By Real Scientists

      Originally posted by C-B-M View Post
      @Pikkumyy:

      The more you post, the more you demonstrate how little you know about actual science. That's the funny part. Your understanding of the scientific method stops right after "make a hypothesis." Or, rather, it goes "make a hypothesis ...form your conclusion!"

      By the way, I'd be quite happy if you went to work on Monday morning and told your boss whatever you wanted to. The fact that you're using technology to perform a job doesn't constitute "science." Also, the fact that you conclude that I said that "what you do is useless" only demonstrates an attempt to change the subject. Since you cannot demonstrate any scientific knowledge, now you're attempting to create a false argument that is completely unrelated. So you're also quite unable to debate, on top of not knowing science.
      I guess it is pointless to continue from here. I just pull it all together to this last post to you, so that anyone, you included, can see what was the course of our discussion. So you know, anyone can decide by themselves, who is able of what and who is not. I bolded some important places

      Originally posted by Pikkumyy, post #39
      There is a clear trend showing that Earths climate is warming, there is proof of that. See any temperature data base of your choice. CO2 is a gas which causes warming when energy is introduced to the system, there is proof of that. See: Tyndall, John (1861). "On the Absorption and Radiation of Heat by Gases and Vapours..." Philosophical Magazine ser. 4, 22: 169-94, 273-85. Notice that this reference is 150 years old, so it is not really any new discovery. (Tyndall also found out that water vapour is the strongest constituent, which should also be noted.)

      About this CERNs CLOUD program. I think it is very interesting project and it will be cool to see what new things they will discover in the future.
      Originally posted by Pikkumyy, post #60
      Yes it is clear that there has been several warmer and colder periods and probably for different reasons, and there will be. I just cant accept argument: I have no idea what the reason for warming is but you are wrong, especially when I back my point up with data and information gathered by scientific test work. In this case, I would at least expect an explanation why CO2 cant be a factor, backed with scientific studies.

      As far as I know, nothing, be it activity of the Sun, Earths angle to Sun, or whatever, you name it, can explain current warming. The only scientifically sound hypothesis I know of is CO2 and other green house gases. If someone here has alternative explanation, please lets hear it.
      Originally posted by PC_B_M, post #61
      Uh, what? If you wanted to back up data with tests, what's the test for man-made global warming? And if you "only" know about CO2 and other greenhouse gases -- like, uh, water vapor, which is the largest source of greenhouse gas -- then you're not knowledgeable on the situation.
      Originally posted by Pikkumyy, post #70
      I don't want you to back up data with tests, I would like you to defend your position with data and published research results, "Like here is how cosmic ray flux has changed during recent years, have a look".
      Originally posted by C-B-M, post #76
      You don't? Because that's sort of the point of science.
      Originally posted by Pikkumyy, post #76
      Nope. Data is numbers or other hard information, nothing more. You dont back up numbers. You use data to make conclusions and you use data to defend your conclusions. You collect data for example by reading thermometers, or by testing material in a lab. You ensure the data quality for example by using reference samples and/or third party surveyors, to make sure equipment and methods you are using are working correctly.
      Originally posted by C-B-M, post #78
      I find it interesting and amusing that Pikkumy -- who is on the self-proclaimed "pro science" side -- says that testing is not required for a hypothesis. You just "use data" to back up your claims.
      Originally posted by Pikkumyy, post #81
      Could using data to back up ones claim mean testing and defending a hypothesis? I mean, you collect data to test and defend your hypothesis, dont you? Dont you think that data is collected when tests are run, and after tests that data is used to either prove or falsify your hypothesis?
      Originally posted by C-B-M, post #84
      Not if that data is observational, which it is.

      See, I find it very interesting that I asked what the testing was with regards to man-made global warming and you said that it wasn't necessary. Then AFTER I said that was unscientific, you seem to have realized that you messed up and now are trying to say that you actually meant that it was necessary.
      Originally posted by Pikkumyy, post #85
      Where did I say that testing hypothesis is not necessary? It is mandatory. One more time, you said that we need to back up data with tests (post no 61). I corrected you that we dont test data, we use data to test and defend a hypothesis like CO2 causing warming.

      Im sorry but I dont understand what you mean with observational data. If I measure CO2 concentration in the atmosphere, the number I get is observational data. Please explain to me, why that data cannot be used to defend an argument that Humans may be causing warming, while we know from empirical laboratory tests that CO2 causes warming.
      Originally posted by C-B-M, post #86

      That's great, dude. Observational data doesn't constitute testing. Nor does it demonstrate any link to anything. See, that's how science works.
      Originally posted by Pikkumyy, post #87
      We know that earth is currently warming, here is data shown in a graph format:

      NOAA Climate Services

      We know that atmospheric CO2 concentration is increasing. Here is some data in numbers and also in graph format showing changes of CO2 concentration, as well as more links:

      Trends in Carbon Dioxide

      We know that CO2 gas absorbs heat. Here is a link to list of papers discussing CO2 absorption properties:

      Papers on laboratory measurements of CO2 absorption properties AGW Observer

      And then, here I am discussing with a person who says that measured data (for example temperature databases and atmospheric CO2 concentration databases) and empirical research cannot be used to defend argument "increasing CO2 concentration in atmosphere may cause climate warming". And then he states Thats how science works???

      Originally posted by C-B-M, post #92
      @Pikkumyy:

      The more you post, the more you demonstrate how little you know about actual science. That's the funny part. Your understanding of the scientific method stops right after "make a hypothesis." Or, rather, it goes "make a hypothesis ...form your conclusion!"

      Since you cannot demonstrate any scientific knowledge, now you're attempting to create a false argument that is completely unrelated. So you're also quite unable to debate, on top of not knowing science.
      So yes, it surely looks like I am unable to debate and don't know science, whereas you are a shining example of an expert. I give you the privilege to say the last comment.

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      • #93
        Re: Real Science By Real Scientists

        Originally posted by darth omar View Post
        Coincidentally, I have an '02 Mustang GT with the 4.6. They're fun cars..lol. I drive mine with impunity and you will do the same with yours if you ever get one.

        Thats cool. I will get mine when my wallet is fat enough.

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        • #94
          Re: Real Science By Real Scientists

          Originally posted by Pikkumyy View Post
          So yes, it surely looks like I am unable to debate and don't know science, whereas you are a shining example of an expert. I give you the privilege to say the last comment.
          Sure. Here's the last comment: "Guy who says he's Mr. Science doesn't understand the basic principles of science and thinks hypothesis equals conclusion, thereby 'proving' man-made global warming."

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