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The Anti-Science Climate Denier Caucus: 114th Congress Edition

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  • The Anti-Science Climate Denier Caucus: 114th Congress Edition

    http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...14th-congress/
    This week Congress returns to the nations capital with 71 new members in its ranks. Those additions will bring little improvement in the views of congressional Republicans regarding the scientific reality of climate change, however. Over 56 percent of Republicans in the 114th Congress deny or question the science behind human-caused climate change, according to an analysis by CAP Action.
    On the heels of what looks to be the warmest year in recorded history, with the global carbon dioxide levels that drive climate change reaching unprecedented levels, 53 percent 131 members of the Republican caucus in the House of Representatives deny the occurrence of human-caused global warming and 72 percent 39 members on the Senate side sing the same tune.

    While 97 percent of climate scientists are in agreement that climate change is occurring and is driven by human activity, several new members of the 114th Congress assert the opposite. Just this week, Sen. Mark Kirk (R-IL) rejected the premise that greenhouse gas emissions are driving climate change, remarking instead that political correctness took over climate science, E&E Daily reported Thursday.

    The most memorable refrain from the 2014 election cycle regarding a candidates stance on climate change, echoed by prominent congressional Republicans like House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, was undoubtedly Im not a scientist. The response represented a unique form of evasion and prompted significant backlash against the politicians refusal to acknowledge scientific fact.
    I'm not a scientist - the GOP's favorite diversion tactic when confronted with overwhelming evidence beyond all reasonable doubt about what human activity is causing. These men who use the term have no business being anywhere near a government.

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    Of course there's that little problem of the planet not warming in the last 18 years and record levels of ice at the poles.

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    • #3
      The 18 year pause is suspect and based on flawed analysis and bad graph reading. There's been no noteable increase in the rate of warming and that right there serves to throw a stick in the spoke of politicized AGW alarmists. But no increase in rates doesn't mean no warming.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
        The 18 year pause is suspect and based on flawed analysis and bad graph reading. There's been no noteable increase in the rate of warming and that right there serves to throw a stick in the spoke of politicized AGW alarmists. But no increase in rates doesn't mean no warming.
        Don't we expect a warming in the interglacial period? Do we expect climate to always remain the same? The question is, would we have seen warming without man putting a natural atmospheric gas into the atmosphere? The AGW people say no. They think that the temps would always remain the same, until the earth once again begins to cool down for the next ice age. At least that is the sense that one gets from them.

        From a bigger view perspective, man being a part of nature, can never do anything outside of nature. Even him putting co2 into the atmosphere is natural, although these days we tend to see man as alien, and not a part of the natural cycles of the earth. We might even be serving a role, in greening up mother earth, which she wants, just to feed her growing populations. All part of her own natural order. Perhaps we are staving off the next ice age, which should by its nature cause justifiable hysterics. Maybe co2 is man's ally. It depends upon the perspective that people choose.



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        • #5
          Sure does seem to be there would be warming during an interglacial period, no argument from me on that. I'm pretty sure if we went back 11,000 years where I am typing from now would be under hundreds of feet of ice and snow.

          The 18 year period of "the waming pause" actually had 0.2 C or so of warming, with no increase in the the rate of warming over that time period. When greenhouse gases were discovered to work as they do the rate of wrming over a century was worked out to 6/10ths of a degree C per century... I don't know if we've beaten that over the last century. So if that 6/10ths figure was right there has always been warming as long as wekve been aware of the chance.
          It sure doesn't mean the sky is falling.

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          • #6
            The only reason there is approximately 400ppm of CO2 in the atmosphere is because the environmental movement has rejected and resisted the development of nuclear power for the passed fifty years. The science denier caucus has been around long before the 114th Congress was sworn in.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Commodore View Post
              The only reason there is approximately 400ppm of CO2 in the atmosphere is because the environmental movement has rejected and resisted the development of nuclear power for the passed fifty years. The science denier caucus has been around long before the 114th Congress was sworn in.
              Shhh we are not supposd to talk bout that...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Commodore View Post
                The only reason there is approximately 400ppm of CO2 in the atmosphere is because the environmental movement has rejected and resisted the development of nuclear power for the passed fifty years. The science denier caucus has been around long before the 114th Congress was sworn in.
                So the very ones who are so hysterical today, should be dressed down, for because of their own activism, they have caused AGW. Cosmic irony.

                I just heard a bit about these proposed carbon credits. It's a UN scheme to pay poor nations, the undeveloped ones, for the damage the rich nations have caused to the environment. So, you tax carbon, it goes through a middle man, the elites, who take their cut, and if its the usual cut, a good chunk of it, and then it goes to someone in the nation being paid, and someone there takes a cut, goes to someone else, who takes a cut, with all of these cuts being handling fees and finally a few cents on the dollar goes to the poor nation. LOL... So, one can see why we need hysterical people, in order to pressure gov't to tax carbon, so all of these people can get their cuts. Now it begins to make sense, if you didn't understand it prior.

                It's like when we send money to a place like some poor nation. It goes through several hands, with each taking their cut, just like the mafia, they get their taste, and a little bit of the sum finally makes it to the target.

                Given the billions given to special climatologists, to prove what the IPCC said was happening, there must be a helluva lot to be made in carbon credits by the middle men. Now, there has to be some mechanism for some people in the UN to get their cut. But they are experts at handling such things, so no problem there.

                Now, who pays, at the end of the day? Since taxes and costs are passed on to working people, who no longer get representation, well, looks like the working guy takes it up the tail, once again. As the elites laugh all the way to the bank. The system is rigged, and the greed of these jackwagons is insatiable.

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                • #9
                  No, there's been no warming at all....*rolleyes"


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                  • #10
                    As your NASA graph shows, there has been no warming for the last 18+ years despite significant increase in CO2.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                      As your NASA graph shows, there has been no warming for the last 18+ years despite significant increase in CO2.

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                      I hate to say it but this chart clearly and without the slightest doubt shows there has been warming over the past 18+ years assuming the data going into the chart is accurate.. It does show there has been no measureable increase in the rate of warming which flies in the face of what politicized AGW alarmist say would happen and is happening, but there was certainly warming. The chart says it plots temperature change. The mean line plotted in blue sits over 0.2 degerees C not at zero. The conclusion slapped on the middle of the chart is simply wrong. If there had been no warrming that blue line would be sitting on 0 C as the data is showing change not fixed temperature.
                      Last edited by JDJarvis; 01-12-2015, 04:51 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Danny View Post
                        No, there's been no warming at all....*rolleyes"


                        I'm' really impressed NASA was making the same quality accurate reading in 1890 that it can make today...
                        Oh yeah, that's right it wasn't, nobody was. When using data proxies and historical data the margin of error is highly suspect. Also 1 degree F is competely and absolutely in line with natural warming at 6/10 a degree celcius over a century. It's actually on the low side as the bottom graph shows over 120 years.

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                        • #13
                          I think you'll find there are temperature records going back a few hundred years so 1880 records are perfectly possible and just to back them up we have tree rings and ice core data.

                          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrum...erature_record

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                          • #14
                            There are not records as widespread and accurate as we can collect now.
                            Even today the offical temperature in my town is reported lower then it usually is at my house and most of town in the winter and higher in the summer, in this case I know why. The temperatre readings are taken at the back side of the fire department and the area is generally in shade in the winter and surrounded by hardtop that warms up in the summer. There is no reason to believe town and ship temperatures recorded in the past were all precise and carefuly recorded.

                            Tree ring data asaa proxy of temperature is suspect as well as tree ring growth is not precise to fractions of a degree. Two trees in the same stand can give you very different results. It's a good approximation but it's really not going to show precise data allowing meaningful disputes of 0.2 or 0.3 degree warming.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post

                              I hate to say it but this chart clearly and without the slightest doubt shows there has been warming over the past 18+ years assuming the data going into the chart is accurate.. It does show there has been no measureable increase in the rate of warming which flies in the face of what politicized AGW alarmist say would happen and is happening, but there was certainly warming. The chart says it plots temperature change. The mean line plotted in blue sits over 0.2 degerees C not at zero. The conclusion slapped on the middle of the chart is simply wrong. If there had been no warrming that blue line would be sitting on 0 C as the data is showing change not fixed temperature.

                              See that blue line that runs horizontally from left to right. It is the average over those years and it starts and ends at the same temp.

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