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To stop climate change, we must turn men into liberals by lowering their testosterone levels.

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  • To stop climate change, we must turn men into liberals by lowering their testosterone levels.

    From Gizmodo:
    And this brings us to the last modification that Liao talks about: empathy. You might remember that just a few weeks ago we talked about empathy on this very podcast! And you might remember that empathy is actually a really hard thing to define. Liao’s idea is to give hormones like oxytocin and seratonin to people, and to perhaps decrease someone’s testosterone.

    http://gizmodo.com/meanwhile-in-the-...mus-1733583113
    Since this is suggesting that people with higher testosterone levels have less empathy, it also is suggesting that people with lower testosterone levels must have more empathy.

    ​Now according to science, people who have more empathy also tend to be more liberal. I found a number of articles that confirm this (because I already knew it from several years ago), here are two articles below:



    Other Big Five traits do not correlate as con- sistently with political orientations but extraversion and emotional stability have been associated with economic (though not social) conservatism (Gerber et al. 2010; Young 2009) and elements of agreeableness have also been linked to ideology, with conservatives being more polite and liberals more empathetic (Hirsh et al. 2010).

    http://www.psych.nyu.edu/vanbavel/la...l.2014.BBS.pdf


    Therefore, voters who selected this category have similar political beliefs including: respect for diversity, empathy, and compassion more than individuals who selected 'conservative to moderate', who tend to be less empathic.

    http://digitalcommons.chapman.edu/cg...ext=e-Research





    So, since science is suggesting that liberal 'men' have less testosterone, it also is suggesting that they are more feminine than conservative men. Perhaps this is why liberal 'men' want a big-mommy government to take care of them?

    Anyway, I'm off topic. Does anybody find it extremely creepy that 'scientists' are thinking about re-engineering humans?


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    Creepy? Yes, of course.
    Unexpected or surprising? No, not at all. Once we devalued life to the point where we could abort unborn, living human beings, we started down this trail and the events of your post are simply another step along it.

    Of course, the greatest challenge to the process you mention will be getting liberals to acknowledge their testosterone is failing...

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    • #3
      I find it curious that empathy is required by someone who doesn't want to fry. Not caring about AGW is a wrong-thought hate crime.

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      • #4
        So, since science is suggesting that liberal 'men' have less testosterone, it also is suggesting that they are more feminine than conservative men. Perhaps this is why liberal 'men' want a big-mommy government to take care of them
        Most liberal democrats care for themselves, have jobs, so its not about them, but about the people who are not in their good positions. So the big mommy gov't comment is an illustration of incoherence in the right wing mind. LOL Of course, neither side has that much rationality involved, so there is enough of this to go around, and it has gone around.

        We need a political party, grounded in reason, rationality, and of course morality. But that would get rid of both left and right wing ideologies. And we love them so much, that we cannot get rid of them. And that is because both are driven far too much by emotions, which the two parties appeal to, in order that people on both sides can get power, and keep power. This lust for power affects a particular kind of human much more than it does other humans One might say, that the degree of lust needed today to do what is necessary to get a seat of power, is destructive upon the nation. And so, the men or women, that are driven to these seats of power, are the worst possible people to have such power.

        Now granted, there are people in DC who honestly are public serviced minded, who really do want to work hard to make their country a better place for its people, but one wonders what that percentage is? I think in the past, it was probably much larger than today. But I do not know that, as the lust for power is as old as civilization itself, and has always been a generally harmful thing. I have thought for awhile that many who lust after power, and are willing to do what it takes to get it, are perhaps sociopathic, and this is what separates them from the general population.

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        • #5
          Considering all of Europe is way more liberal than the US I suppose you think that means Americans are more manly and have more testosterone than Europeans.

          What a load of shit but then again I expect nothing less than this sort of crap from US conservatives who claim to not be about feelings and then support stuff like this.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
            Considering all of Europe is way more liberal than the US I suppose you think that means Americans are more manly and have more testosterone than Europeans.
            In general, yes. And I have science to back me up.

            Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
            What a load of shit but then again I expect nothing less than this sort of crap from US conservatives who claim to not be about feelings and then support stuff like this.
            Support stuff like what? I'm only noting what your side is saying science should do...

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            • #7
              Correct me if I'm wrong but this appears to be based strictly on "Liao’'s idea." That's great, but who is Liao and why should anybody care about or take seriously his "idea?"

              If empathy is "the ability to understand and share the feelings of another," then it seems far more likely that "conservatives" are lacking in the understanding department. I use my brain to do that so perhaps that's where the "conservatives" are lacking.

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                Originally posted by kramer View Post

                In general, yes. And I have science to back me up.
                Support stuff like what? I'm only noting what your side is saying science should do...
                What you have is your take on the work of a guy nobody has heard of.
                The idea that US citizens have more testosterone than Europeans is as stupid as if I claimed Europeans were smarter than Americans since Americans are from so many countries that any natural differences will be almost impossible to pin down.
                Just claiming you have science to back you up doesn't give you a silver bullet to win the argument especially when that science doesn't seem to be any more supported than by this one person.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post

                  Most liberal democrats care for themselves, have jobs, so its not about them, but about the people who are not in their good positions. So the big mommy gov't comment is an illustration of incoherence in the right wing mind. LOL Of course, neither side has that much rationality involved, so there is enough of this to go around, and it has gone around.

                  We need a political party, grounded in reason, rationality, and of course morality. But that would get rid of both left and right wing ideologies. And we love them so much, that we cannot get rid of them. And that is because both are driven far too much by emotions, which the two parties appeal to, in order that people on both sides can get power, and keep power. This lust for power affects a particular kind of human much more than it does other humans One might say, that the degree of lust needed today to do what is necessary to get a seat of power, is destructive upon the nation. And so, the men or women, that are driven to these seats of power, are the worst possible people to have such power.

                  Now granted, there are people in DC who honestly are public serviced minded, who really do want to work hard to make their country a better place for its people, but one wonders what that percentage is? I think in the past, it was probably much larger than today. But I do not know that, as the lust for power is as old as civilization itself, and has always been a generally harmful thing. I have thought for awhile that many who lust after power, and are willing to do what it takes to get it, are perhaps sociopathic, and this is what separates them from the general population.

                  Most liberal Democrats do not care for themselves, they depend on someone else to do it. The majority of college students are liberal Democrats who are supported by their parents. The majority of welfare recipients are Liberal Democrats and depend on the rest of the country to support them. The biggest characteristic of Liberal Democrats is that they want the government to take care of the poor so they will feel good about the poor being taken care of and they won't have to do it themselves. They are very low on the responsibility for other scale.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post


                    Most liberal Democrats do not care for themselves, they depend on someone else to do it. The majority of college students are liberal Democrats who are supported by their parents. The majority of welfare recipients are Liberal Democrats and depend on the rest of the country to support them. The biggest characteristic of Liberal Democrats is that they want the government to take care of the poor so they will feel good about the poor being taken care of and they won't have to do it themselves. They are very low on the responsibility for other scale.
                    So, what you are saying, is that the majority of all democrats are on welfare, for they do not care for themselves. An extraordinary claim, and unless you can actually give the evidence in numbers, from a reliable science based study, it is an opinion, stated as fact. So, give us the evidence.

                    Of course, I do agree that many millennials are liberal or progressive democrats, but you cannot expect them to be republicans given that the GOP came up with free trade to help out the big dogs hurting people who need living wage jobs. But give us the stats that show most liberal dems do not care for themselves. Which means that its mostly liberals who do not have jobs and are on welfare. Of course if you were a working republican, and lost your job, thanks to your party, you might become a democrat in fear that your party, now that you cannot get a living wage job, will take away your foodstamps and your kids will cry from hunger pains. I mean, that would be rational, to think that, and not at all incoherent, given the economic conditions of post financial crash.

                    But evidence please....

                    Now Pew says that more democrats have been on food stamps at some point in time, compared to republicans. But that is hardly MOST liberals not taking care of themselves, for the percentage of dems having been on food stamps is still NO WHERE close to MOST democrats.

                    The poorer among us, have been democrats since at least FDR. But not all dems are poor. But those non poor dems, believe in the gov't which is supposed to be by and for the people, should take some of their taxes and care for the poor, as a collective group effort, forced upon republicans, as the general republican cannot dictate that a part of his taxes is not used to care for poor humans. So it is understandable why some republicans, conservatives detest their taxes, money stolen from them, to be used to care for the poor, in a collective, national effort. When anyone sees all of the poor as lazy bums, it is easy to justify how they think about their taxes, stolen from them, should not feed these lazy bums, If they were decent human beings, they would be working somewhere, making enough money so they would not need to get some of the tax revenues. But of course, this does not define all of the poor, but cons see welfare queens behind every tree, diamond bangles and gold rings on every appendage, driving a new luxury car, dressing in designer clothes, eating lobster and Kobe beef whenever the urge hits them, as the poor working conservative eats beans and drives a 20 year old car, held together by bailing wire, and is in that position because he is taxed and this stolen money is given to people living like the upper middle class, while sitting on their lazy arses. I guess one has to believe this, in order to look down on the poor as many people do. That it is pure delusion, that view, doesn't matter. For if you believe in your own personal reality, even if disconnected, one can convince oneself that this is, in fact reality, when it is nothing of the sort.


                    Tell you what. Get someone into office that will give us an economy that has a job for all that can work, paying them enough to live on, and then I will agree to only care for those that are disabled, too old, or too sick to support themselves.
                    Last edited by Blue Doggy; 10-03-2015, 11:24 AM.

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                      Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post


                      Most liberal Democrats do not care for themselves, they depend on someone else to do it.
                      What is this statement based on?

                      The majority of college students are liberal Democrats who are supported by their parents.
                      Most people who are full-time students tend to get money from someone else. Were you supporting yourself in middle school, Mr. Conservative?

                      The majority of welfare recipients are Liberal Democrats and depend on the rest of the country to support them. The biggest characteristic of Liberal Democrats is that they want the government to take care of the poor so they will feel good about the poor being taken care of and they won't have to do it themselves. They are very low on the responsibility for other scale.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post

                        What you have is your take on the work of a guy nobody has heard of.
                        Every month, I hear of climate change work by people that I've never heard of before.


                        Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                        The idea that US citizens have more testosterone than Europeans is as stupid as if I claimed Europeans were smarter than Americans since Americans are from so many countries that any natural differences will be almost impossible to pin down.
                        How did this European vs American T-level start? I didn't bring it up. That said, I think its very possible that Euro men have lower T levels than US men. But either way, I don't care about this. You apparently do for some reason.

                        Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                        Just claiming you have science to back you up doesn't give you a silver bullet to win the argument especially when that science doesn't seem to be any more supported than by this one person.
                        You sound like a science denier.

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                        • #13
                          Even so, I will take even a faux silver bullet over a gun with NO bullets to "win the argument" (as if anyone here has ever done THAT).

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by kramer View Post
                            Every month, I hear of climate change work by people that I've never heard of before.
                            So why don't you punch his name into Google and prove to us what a great scientist (from a relevant field) he is? I think there's a reason for that.

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                            • #15
                              Most "liberal" men I know got that way becasue they had to fake it to have sex with liberal women, i suspect lower teststerone levels has nothing to do with that. Look at Ted Kennedy, a historic liberal champion and rampant violator of women.

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