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  • #16
    Originally posted by msc View Post
    I'll have to agree with you here. That is the most reasonable thing we could do to protect our environment. Even without the global warming alarmists. So what is all the money going to now anyway? Really, what are they doing with it to stop global warming?

    It's not about global warming, it's about wealth redistribution. Man can't stop something man didn't start in the first place. Just a bunch of arrogant idiots flexing their muscle.

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    • #17
      I'm not sure you've noticed this but scientists are rarely ripped and stacked with muscles.

      I think you're getting them mixed up with boxers or wrestlers.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
        I'm not sure you've noticed this but scientists are rarely ripped and stacked with muscles.

        I think you're getting them mixed up with boxers or wrestlers.

        The scientists are doing what the politicians are paying them to do. It's the politicians who are the arrogant.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post


          The scientists are doing what the politicians are paying them to do. It's the politicians who are the arrogant.
          Oh right so you're just questioning the ethical and professional integrity of thousands of scientists and ignoring all the evidence they present as you don't like it.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post

            Oh right so you're just questioning the ethical and professional integrity of thousands of scientists and ignoring all the evidence they present as you don't like it.
            I have read that the way this deal came about, is that the IPCC at the UN said that co2 is causing global warming which is dangerous and they then commissioned a group of scientists, mostly climatologists, to study and research how it has caused global warming , make predictions what is in the future, and let them and the world know of how co2 has to be reduced by taxation. Of course the revenues could be used to help out poor 3rd world nations in places like Africa. Perhaps to make amends for the excesses of the western middle class industrial world, and to help bring them into the 21st Century. Of course capitalism needed to involve itself and so the revenues would mostly be used to pay MNCs to build the infrastructure needed so that other MNCs could move in there and give all of those half naked people a real job, making stuff for Americans. These backward countries do not care about a little pollution, so more profits there, and those poor half naked people with big bellies would easily work for enough money to feed themselves better food. So, to me this looks like a scheme that almost resembles colonization except it is being done by an MNC or group of them, which are Virtual States. And best of all, they have their own private military, in fact, the most powerful in the world, at their beck and call. And after all of this, the taxation, the colonizing by Virtual States, we will still be using oil, and just paying as much as the consumer can bare. That is my problem with it, which is not the conservative problem with it.


            Wasn't the concentration only on co2 and those billions of dollars in grants that went to the scientists were not used to look at the myriad of other factors that affect climate change? It's not like we have anything close to a complete understanding of how the sun affects climate, except that it does in fact also drive climate change. Climatologists are not at all certain in what caused the last ice age, or the ones preceding it.

            And this is one of the reason that there are quite a few dissenting scientists, who are certainly not quacks, but who see some holes in the evidence, and who are considering more than co2 which is beyond man's control. Some of these scientists think its a collection of factors, with one being co2. But it may not be the primary driver. Now granted, these scientists were not funded and therefore were not limited to looking only at and studying co2. So its understandable why they would disagree, or at least be a bit more hesitant in making declarations.
            Last edited by Blue Doggy; 12-22-2015, 06:45 PM.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
              Oh right so you're just questioning the ethical and professional integrity of thousands of scientists and ignoring all the evidence they present as you don't like it.
              Which might be of real concern IF there weren't just as many thousands of scientists explaining to us that there's nothing to be alarmed about.

              What is truly alarming, is how malleable the general public is to accepting bad ideas and bad science.

              From global warming to gay marriage and abortion - cleverly worded and marketed propaganda has succeeded in misleading millions !

              This is truly something that should worry you. If it hasn't yet, it will eventually !

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              • #22
                Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post


                It's not about global warming, it's about wealth redistribution. Man can't stop something man didn't start in the first place. Just a bunch of arrogant idiots flexing their muscle.
                Well of course wealth distribution is the reason. But hypothetically, if it was a scientific fact that man's industry created it, there would be a more logical useful way to deal with it.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post

                  Oh right so you're just questioning the ethical and professional integrity of thousands of scientists and ignoring all the evidence they present as you don't like it.
                  And it appears that you're questioning the ethical and professional integrity of thousands of scientists and choose to ignore the evidence they present, that there is no scientific proof that man is responsible for global warming.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post

                    Oh right so you're just questioning the ethical and professional integrity of thousands of scientists and ignoring all the evidence they present as you don't like it.
                    Over 95% of those "thousands of scientists" get their adjusted temperature data from the 3 main organizations that track temperature. Whatever sausage these orgs put out is what those "thousands of scientists" have to go by.

                    CO2 is plant and tree food, it's not a pollutant nor is it the earth's temperature control knob, putting a little extra in the air is good for the earth.
                    Last edited by kramer; 12-25-2015, 02:39 PM.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                      Which might be of real concern IF there weren't just as many thousands of scientists explaining to us that there's nothing to be alarmed about.

                      What is truly alarming, is how malleable the general public is to accepting bad ideas and bad science.

                      From global warming to gay marriage and abortion - cleverly worded and marketed propaganda has succeeded in misleading millions !

                      This is truly something that should worry you. If it hasn't yet, it will eventually !
                      You know, what makes this a difficult situation, which has to be considered, is we live in an era of such disinformation, lies, exaggeration. We have things that even go back decades that look like conspiracies, the murder of JFK, RFK, King, the Gulf of Tonkin lie, the 9-11 deal, false flag operations, going into a sovereign nation, breaking international law, driven by basically bad intel, or outright lies. The business of our CIA toppling other leaders in countries that are not favorable to our big business, and then propaganda used upon our own people by our own gov't. So, no liberal should be surprised that people on the right question AGW, or even someone like myself who is not a conservative at all.

                      So are the scientists who are given billions of dollars in taxpayer financed grants right in regards to co2 being the primary driver? Hell, I just do not know. There is so much money involved in this, and I distrust when billions and even over times trillions will be involved in this deal. Can you trust anything given what I laid out above, plus the money? No way.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                        You know, what makes this a difficult situation, which has to be considered, is we live in an era of such disinformation, lies, exaggeration. We have things that even go back decades that look like conspiracies, the murder of JFK, RFK, King, the Gulf of Tonkin lie, the 9-11 deal, false flag operations, going into a sovereign nation, breaking international law, driven by basically bad intel, or outright lies. The business of our CIA toppling other leaders in countries that are not favorable to our big business, and then propaganda used upon our own people by our own gov't. So, no liberal should be surprised that people on the right question AGW, or even someone like myself who is not a conservative at all.

                        So are the scientists who are given billions of dollars in taxpayer financed grants right in regards to co2 being the primary driver? Hell, I just do not know. There is so much money involved in this, and I distrust when billions and even over times trillions will be involved in this deal. Can you trust anything given what I laid out above, plus the money? No way.
                        Always about money and control of money - and the producers (that's us) - because that's where the money comes from.

                        "Global warming" - now conveniently 'changed' to "climate change" is just another way to fleece the ignorant masses really.

                        Which brings me to one ADVANTAGE of our technological era;

                        Which is that anybody can research and learn the truth about this latest fraud on his or her own.

                        Climate change . . . that's what the climate does, has always done. It changes, it goes through cycles etc etc. We can learn that it has done so long before people were driving cars or flying jets or eating cows - that fart and contribute to global .. - I mean climate change.

                        But, as you say; "..we live in an era of such disinformation, lies, exaggeration. .." etc. that it takes good understanding of both history and science to discern and filter through the facts and fictions we're offered.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post


                          Which brings me to one ADVANTAGE of our technological era;

                          Which is that anybody can research and learn the truth about this latest fraud on his or her own.
                          Even the people whose collective stupidity (according to the architect of obamacare) was leveraged to pass it?

                          For the record, even though the obama admin the DNC elite and much of the MSM thinks their base is stupid, I don't. Their problem is that they think with feelings and emotions and that
                          they get much of their news from media sources that are part of the Rockefeller and Ford funded IPI. Do the Koch brothers have anything equivalent or close to the IPI? Bet if they did, liberals would be having wadded panty shit-fits.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by kramer View Post
                            Even the people whose collective stupidity (according to the architect of obamacare) was leveraged to pass it?

                            For the record, even though the obama admin the DNC elite and much of the MSM thinks their base is stupid, I don't. Their problem is that they think with feelings and emotions and that they get much of their news from media sources that are part of the Rockefeller and Ford funded IPI. Do the Koch brothers have anything equivalent or close to the IPI? Bet if they did, liberals would be having wadded panty shit-fits.
                            The days of liberal "crappy-pants" are coming.

                            One way or another.

                            Truth and reality always win, no matter the weird fantasies of a person, a crowd of persons, ... even a great multitude. . . which liberals will tell you - in their owned "media" - they are ! ... fortunately, they really aren't.

                            ...but that's how "media" works today. They start crowing about some great "new idea" ... global warming, black lives matter, war on women, gay marriage, ... get "everyone convinced" that this is "accepted" and off they go to "victory" with it.

                            All of the liberal "victories" are, or will soon be meaningless & hollow.

                            Reality can't be gotten around, no matter how many crazy ideas liberals shove down our throats.

                            I say let them enjoy banging their brains out on the walls of reality until they expire ! ... it won't take long.

                            Yes, their ideas hurt all of us, ... until they can no longer be supported. But that's the price we pay for tolerating idiots to be "in charge" of anything !

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