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  • End of Snow?

    2 years ago a former journal of record let partisan politics and fostering chicken little panic make them look like fools:
    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2014/02/08...-of-snow.html?

    I'm sure the piles of snnnnow in the streets of NY must be a mystery to them today.

  • #2
    You do realise they weren't claiming it would never snow again just that it would become less frequent.

    http://uk.businessinsider.com/r-last...16-1?r=US&IR=T

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    • #3
      Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
      You do realise they weren't claiming it would never snow again just that it would become less frequent.

      http://uk.businessinsider.com/r-last...16-1?r=US&IR=T
      You do know there's been plenty of snow lately?

      https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global-snow/201513
      Last edited by JDJarvis; 01-23-2016, 07:31 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
        You do realise they weren't claiming it would never snow again just that it would become less frequent.

        http://uk.businessinsider.com/r-last...16-1?r=US&IR=T
        'Snowfalls Are Now Just a Thing of the Past'

        "Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.
        https://pjmedia.com/eddriscoll/2010/...g-of-the-past/ Washington, D.C. may never see snow again.
        That was global warming conspiracy theorist Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. writing in The Los Angeles Times on Sept. 24, 2008.
        In his column, the near-hysterical Kennedy claimed the fact there was a lot of lighting in Massachusetts this summer was proof the eeeeeeevil oil companies are roasting the planet. He went on to recall, almost bursting into written tears, sledding down a suburban D.C. hill as a child and how there will never be that kind of snow again. Kennedy went on to compare the eeeeeeevil oil companies to Nazi war criminals, accusing them of have damning Washington to an eternity of snowless winters.


        http://americantradition.org/flashba...ee-snow-again/

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        • #5
          Well there are certainly some places where snow may well become a thing of the past but unless my geography is completely off D.C. is temperate and not in the tropics so snow is kind of expected now and then even if the world warms up. Saying it will never snow in Washington is a bold a rather stupid claim and about as likely as me saying it will never rain again in the UK which given our bloody awful flooding we had this winter seems highly unlikely.

          I doubt you'd find any scientists who would make such a bold claim.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
            Well there are certainly some places where snow may well become a thing of the past but unless my geography is completely off D.C. is temperate and not in the tropics so snow is kind of expected now and then even if the world warms up. Saying it will never snow in Washington is a bold a rather stupid claim and about as likely as me saying it will never rain again in the UK which given our bloody awful flooding we had this winter seems highly unlikely.

            I doubt you'd find any scientists who would make such a bold claim.

            According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".

            https://pjmedia.com/eddriscoll/2010/...g-of-the-past/


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            • #7
              The problem doesn't lie with a handful of scientists but with activists, decpetive media, and opportunistic policy makers.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post


                According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".

                https://pjmedia.com/eddriscoll/2010/...g-of-the-past/


                Firstly they are talking about the UK which if I'm not mistaken is a few miles from Washington DC and secondly snowy winters have become less frequent in the UK so what's your point?
                You do know they used the rather large proviso of the word "Could" which is completely different from them saying that snow will 100% never fall ever again and as I said there are places in the UK where snow has indeed become pretty much a thing of the past just as you have places where it doesn't snow in the US.

                I think you have some odd idea that the UK is the size of a postage stamp and we all live next door to each other as you keep talking about how tiny the UK is but we have completely different weather regions just like everywhere else.

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                • #9
                  All I know right now is that my back hurts from shoveling all night. Can't get my cars out yet. And have to keep refilling the snow blower because of the two+ feet of snow in front of my house.

                  Plows just came by 1 min. ago and piled it so high on the sides of the street, that there is only a narrow path.

                  A couple of years ago, I got caught in a blizzard at night on a parkway.. Had no idea where the lanes were, all the signs were covered, could barely see what was in front of me, took me over 2 hours for a 40 min. drive.

                  A couple of years before, opened the building at work and the snow got so bad in that first hour, I had to close it down.

                  No lack of snow here.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by msc View Post
                    All I know right now is that my back hurts from shoveling all night. Can't get my cars out yet. And have to keep refilling the snow blower because of the two+ feet of snow in front of my house.

                    Plows just came by 1 min. ago and piled it so high on the sides of the street, that there is only a narrow path.

                    A couple of years ago, I got caught in a blizzard at night on a parkway.. Had no idea where the lanes were, all the signs were covered, could barely see what was in front of me, took me over 2 hours for a 40 min. drive.

                    A couple of years before, opened the building at work and the snow got so bad in that first hour, I had to close it down.

                    No lack of snow here.
                    There has been one noticeable change here, since my youth of the 50s and 60s. And that change involves snow. We used to get at least one snow a year, and many times it was a big one It would close down our roads. We do not get those anymore. Also, I used to go to Gatlinburg Tn in the off season winter, when you could enjoy that area without the huge crowds of humanity getting in the way clogging up traffic, etc. I went back in 07, during the winter, rented the same cabin on a mountainside that I had rented since the 1970s. No snow at all. Which was not like it was 25 years before that. So, one day I went into a store to buy a bottle of wine for a nice meal we were cooking, and brought the snow issue up. The old man who owned the store said they no longer got the snows as he had seen for much of his life. Global warming was his reason for this.

                    In the south we now have tornados and violent weather in the months that we never saw before, at least in my lifetime, but also my dad's lifetime. We used to have longer, colder winters, with no threat from tornados in the winter. We had a couple tornados here a few days ago, south of me. Broke a record. This is due surely from the climate changing. Whether it is all our fault is what the argument is about, not whether the climate is changing. Climate change seems to be producing unusual weather. That would explain the reduction of snow in places like northern Wisconsin over the decades. When I lived there, once you got the first big snowfall, it never had a chance to melt and succeeding snows would just pile on top of it, which would all finally melt in the spring. That isn't the case anymore up there, or so my friends tell me.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                      You do realise they weren't claiming it would never snow again just that it would become less frequent.

                      http://uk.businessinsider.com/r-last...16-1?r=US&IR=T
                      end |end| noun1 a final part of something, esp. a period of time, an activity, or a story: the end of the year |

                      Key hysterics from the article:
                      "snowfall, winter and skiing will no longer exist as we know them by the end of the century."

                      Do you need me to look up the definitions of the words "no longer exist?"

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                        Saying it will never snow in Washington is a bold a rather stupid claim and about as likely as me saying it will never rain again in the UK which given our bloody awful flooding we had this winter seems highly unlikely.

                        I doubt you'd find any scientists who would make such a bold claim.
                        I bet can find 10 to 20 bold and stupid environmental claims made since the 70s.

                        Who are these bold and stupid quotes aimed at? The same people whose collective stupidity was leveraged (according to the architect of obamacare, Jonathan Gruber) to pass obamacare.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post


                          In the south we now have tornados and violent weather in the months that we never saw before, at least in my lifetime, but also my dad's lifetime.
                          I bet I can find lots of instances of tornados in the winter time. Have you tried google to see if your 'hunch" is correct?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by kramer View Post

                            end |end| noun1 a final part of something, esp. a period of time, an activity, or a story: the end of the year |

                            Key hysterics from the article:
                            "snowfall, winter and skiing will no longer exist as we know them by the end of the century."

                            Do you need me to look up the definitions of the words "no longer exist?"

                            What hysterics are you referring to in the article?
                            I can't find the quote you cite in the article and it's only a few hundred words long with a single graph.
                            I have a feeling Business Insider isn't exactly particularly pro or anti climate change so what do you have a problem with?

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by kramer View Post

                              I bet I can find lots of instances of tornados in the winter time. Have you tried google to see if your 'hunch" is correct?
                              No, I, being raised on a farm cultivated an awareness of weather and have always paid more attention to it than the average Joe. I have no need to google when I have 60 odd years of memory to rely on. I was away from this area for a few years while serving my nation in the military, but other than that, I have experienced the weather here. And going by what my friends in northern Wisconsin tell me, they have seen the same change in weather over the last 60 to 70 years. So its not just Mississippi that has seen a change in weather events. So, Wisconsin, Gatlinburg and here in ms where I live. Of course all of us could be delusional. Of course this falls into the realm of what the official purveyors of truth call, the anecdotal. But I place much more value upon the anecdotal that comes from experiencing reality, than I do of people that only represent it with figures, for figures may not lie, but liars can figure. We have survived for 50,000 years relying upon experience, which is called anecdotal. I think it has given us a better grasp of current reality, than a group of liars playing with figures. So the anecdotal is much more valuable than some insist upon giving it credit for, IMO.

                              When my dad was a lad, a small local river here, froze up so that people drove model Ts across it. They got some big snows, which I also experience in the 50s and 60s, and by the 80s these no longer came. We have fewer really cold days during winter, with mild winters being the norm for quite a few years. This change happened in my own life time. But given the fact that climate is always in a state of change, and that it can change in just a few decades is perhaps unusual, for I think the change coming out of the last ice age has been rather slow and not that noticeable given the number of years involved and the life span of a human being. So when you notice a change in one lifetime, it probably means something important. What that is, is beyond my pay grade, and I only report the changes I have experienced.

                              The winter here was always a time when we did not have to worry about tornados. If you live in an area where these thing are great threats, you over time develop the knowledge to know when you do not have to be on guard, and that has always been winter here where I live. These things have only sprung up in the last few years. So our safe months have now ended, and winter time is no longer a safe time of year from tornados. We never got hurricanes in the winter either, and if the trend carries on, we will see hurricanes too, later and later in the year. I think we just saw one in formation in the atlantic last week, but it may have petered out. This too is unusual for one to try to develop this time of year.
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