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The Green Energy Hustle

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  • The Green Energy Hustle

    Everyone knows about all the green energy failures in this country under the Obama administration. Huge amounts of tax payer dollars given to companies who contribute to the reelection of Democrats and then go bankrupt. It seems it is not just a U.S. scam. I drive across Kansas occasionally and see thousands of windmills. I know for a fact that everyone of those devices is costing the tax payers of Kansas and the United States a huge sum of money as they cannot produce electricity economically. They cost too much to build and maintain to ever be profitable and are therefore simply subsidized by tax dollars. Here in Missouri, a favored Democrat politician (Carnahan) received several million dollars in taxpayer money for his wind farm as part of Obama's recovery effort. Really just a payback for the effort to elect Obama.
    DELINGPOLE: Green Energy is a Charter For Crooks And Liars. The Scam Must End Now

    I ask as a concerned UK taxpayer absolutely sick to death of the vast sums of money that continue to be funnelled into the pockets of crooks, liars, spivs, chancers, con-artists and fantasists in the name of solving the non-existent problem of climate change.

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017...-must-end-now/

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    We have 7 large wind turbines withing a mile or so of my house and I think they look great and they take up virtually no land (They're situated on farmland and the land is still farmed so just the footprint has been lost which isn't much) and because the UK is quite windy produce electricity most of the time.
    I'm not trying to claim windmills are the right solution for everyone but in the UK they work well as we have a lot of wind.

    https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourc...%20in%20europe

    The big problem with wind power in the UK is getting planning permission to build them as we're not blessed with vast areas of free land and the turbines near me were in planning hell for 15 years with the scheme being cut in size several times and people objecting over completely false claims.
    We had people who live further away than I do complaining about noise and I've never heard them and I don't think I have terrible hearing. The planners even wen't to the insane lengths of having to show how the ground would reflect the sound waves when both wet and dry (My Mum works in the planning department and is head of the appeals department so I got to see some of this crazy stuff) and other equally bonkers stuff to show the claims were false.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
      We have 7 large wind turbines withing a mile or so of my house and I think they look great and they take up virtually no land (They're situated on farmland and the land is still farmed so just the footprint has been lost which isn't much) and because the UK is quite windy produce electricity most of the time.
      I'm not trying to claim windmills are the right solution for everyone but in the UK they work well as we have a lot of wind.

      https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourc...%20in%20europe

      The big problem with wind power in the UK is getting planning permission to build them as we're not blessed with vast areas of free land and the turbines near me were in planning hell for 15 years with the scheme being cut in size several times and people objecting over completely false claims.
      We had people who live further away than I do complaining about noise and I've never heard them and I don't think I have terrible hearing. The planners even wen't to the insane lengths of having to show how the ground would reflect the sound waves when both wet and dry (My Mum works in the planning department and is head of the appeals department so I got to see some of this crazy stuff) and other equally bonkers stuff to show the claims were false.
      Are they getting a government subsidy to operate? All of the wind farms here that are currently in operation do. In fact a couple of states have stopped the subsidies and they have had to shut down the windmills because they are not financially feasible.

      The wind energy business is the electric sectors equivalent of the corn ethanol scam: its an over-subsidized industry that depends wholly on taxpayer dollars to remain solvent while providing an inferior product to consumers that does little, if anything, to reduce our need for hydrocarbons or cut carbon dioxide emissions.
      http://www.forbes.com/2011/07/19/win...gy-carbon.html

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      • #4
        Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

        Are they getting a government subsidy to operate? All of the wind farms here that are currently in operation do. In fact a couple of states have stopped the subsidies and they have had to shut down the windmills because they are not financially feasible.



        http://www.forbes.com/2011/07/19/win...gy-carbon.html
        I'm just going from memory but I'm pretty sure they're owned by the Co-Op (A pretty large company here that does all sorts of stuff https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Co-operative_Group ) and may seem a tad odd as I don't think they're a non-profit they are do do a lot of community stuff and are known as a decent place to work) and they have some odd link with the local community and the running of the turbines but I could be wrong as my memory is really rubbish I'll have a check and get back to you.
        I don't think any public funds are involved though and they had to pay for the planning application and work that was done by the civil servants.

        http://www.biggleswadetoday.co.uk/ne...ered-1-5845240
        http://www.southbedsfoe.co.uk/biggleswade_wind_farm.htm

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        • #5
          Portlands Green Energy Bailout Continues

          The saga of embattled solar panel company SoloPower reaches a new low, as Portland taxpayers are now on the hook to cover a $10 Million debt that the company has defaulted on.

          http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017...out-continues/

          Wonder just how much of this money is funneled back to these politicians for their reelection.

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          • #6
            Report: Renewable Energy Is Bigger Scam than Bernie Madoff and Enron

            The greatest scam being perpetrated against taxpayers and consumers is renewable energy, according to a new analysis published by the Australian, greater even than Ponzi, Madoff and Enron.

            http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...off-and-enron/

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            • #7
              Yes, we must shut down this scam by imposing import tariffs. But only on solar panels. Link:
              The U.S. International Trade Commission voted to uphold a complaint brought by two domestic solar manufacturers that complained that the low-cost imports had damaged their businesses. The decision was opposed by the much larger U.S. solar installation industry, which has seen the influx of the cheap panels spark a boom in construction of giant solar farms and rooftop systems around the country.
              http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...a-trade-243021

              The coal industry needs to stifle the communist competition, so this action will help them out. Trump should also look into slowing down the existing, domestic solar panel production, just in case they find a way to compete with prices of imported products. Protecting the coal industry is critical to our national defense. They should send me a nice fat check for this post.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                Yes, we must shut down this scam by imposing import tariffs. But only on solar panels. Link:

                http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...a-trade-243021

                The coal industry needs to stifle the communist competition, so this action will help them out. Trump should also look into slowing down the existing, domestic solar panel production, just in case they find a way to compete with prices of imported products. Protecting the coal industry is critical to our national defense. They should send me a nice fat check for this Fro.
                From your article:

                The solar industry has warned that high tariffs would eliminate 88,000 U.S. jobs by boosting costs and making many projects uneconomic just as the industry, which generates $29 billion in revenue, was starting to stand on its own.
                Translated - we can't survive in the marketplace without government subsidies. We also need to buy cheap slave made solar panels if we want any chance of competing in the international marketplace.

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                • #9
                  You are claiming that coal-fired plants always use domestic sources for their operating equipment? If that were the case, then you would have a point. If not, you are supporting cheap, foreign made equipment if it is made for coal-based energy production and distribution, while opposing the same strategy for producing solar energy. The article dealt with conflicting interests between US companies that install solar panels, vs. domestic companies that produce such panels. Until US companies can reduce their labor costs, they won't be able to compete with panels made in China.

                  Capitalism is amoral, remember? If it can lower costs by importing products made by slave labor, it will do so. Doesn't matter if the product is favored by the kumbaya or the Ann Rand crowd.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                    You are claiming that coal-fired plants always use domestic sources for their operating equipment? If that were the case, then you would have a point. If not, you are supporting cheap, foreign made equipment if it is made for coal-based energy production and distribution, while opposing the same strategy for producing solar energy. The article dealt with conflicting interests between US companies that install solar panels, vs. domestic companies that produce such panels. Until US companies can reduce their labor costs, they won't be able to compete with panels made in China.

                    Capitalism is amoral, remember? If it can lower costs by importing products made by slave labor, it will do so. Doesn't matter if the product is favored by the kumbaya or the Ann Rand crowd.
                    What you describe is not Capitalism. When governments set monetary equivalencies, environmental standards, trade barriers, etc, there is no free market and thus no Capitalism.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

                      What you describe is not Capitalism. When governments set monetary equivalencies, environmental standards, trade barriers, etc, there is no free market and thus no Capitalism.
                      We need to buy cheap slave made operating equipment to provide affordable coal-generated power. We also need to eliminate all environmental standards and trade barriers for capitalism to flourish. By killing off at least 20% of the population through unregulated environmental standards, we might be able to achieve even more prosperity for survivors. How? By lowering the supply of labor, at the same time increasing production thru more automation. Wages will go up, even as profits go up. Sheer genius. It even has a built in bonus of killing off more people before they claim too many old-age benefits. Unfortunately, it looks like communist china will beat us to this goal.

                      Look to Red China, if we want a current explanation for why any economic system should be regulated and has it's own version of checks and balances. Capitalism is exposed to corrupt human beings who will find ways to "game the system". Socialism is also exposed to human corruption, the same hubris claiming the "system" will allow it to provide the most benefit compared to other systems.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                        We need to buy cheap slave made operating equipment to provide affordable coal-generated power. We also need to eliminate all environmental standards and trade barriers for capitalism to flourish. By killing off at least 20% of the population through unregulated environmental standards, we might be able to achieve even more prosperity for survivors. How? By lowering the supply of labor, at the same time increasing production thru more automation. Wages will go up, even as profits go up. Sheer genius. It even has a built in bonus of killing off more people before they claim too many old-age benefits. Unfortunately, it looks like communist china will beat us to this goal.

                        Look to Red China, if we want a current explanation for why any economic system should be regulated and has it's own version of checks and balances. Capitalism is exposed to corrupt human beings who will find ways to "game the system". Socialism is also exposed to human corruption, the same hubris claiming the "system" will allow it to provide the most benefit compared to other systems.
                        Coal mining equipment is manufactured in China because U.S. environmental laws have made it impossible to make it here. It is not capitalism when one country has to play by different rules than another.

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                        • #13
                          There is no reason to legalize slavery (or indentured servitude -labor at pennies on the dollar) to "save" capitalism. When everything is legal for an economic system -capitalism or socialism- that eliminates the environment needed for capitalism (or socialism) to exist.

                          Making a river's water unusable for all residents and businesses downstream is anti-capitalist. Allowing cartels to form and operate is anti-capitalist. Purity fans can eliminate gov't. regulations, but unless you replace the regs with a predatory lawsuit structure, you will doom capitalism to failure. The worst offenders against capitalism need to have all their assets disappear, including their personal assets, when they destroy a water source or seriously distort demand/supply balance. In it's current form, our "mixed economy" regulations provide explicit protection for corporate executives' personal fortunes, even when they have "gamed" the capitalist market big time. Your purity advocates will not attempt any reforms that replace regulations, with remedies that act directly against the anti-capitalists dressed in executive suits. That is a moral hazard, with no incentive to behave according to the rules of good capitalism.
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