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  • #16
    The U.N. "climate summit"

    "...the United States has not endorsed the findings of the report."

    Why not ?

    The article really doesn't explain. Only offers items like the following;

    "The fact that a group of four countries were trying to diminish the value and importance of a scientific report they themselves, with all other countries, requested three years ago in Paris is pretty remarkable."

    And

    "The 2015 Paris agreement set a target of keeping global warming well below 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 Fahrenheit), ideally 1.5 C by the end of the century."

    And

    "..the U.S. position appeared to be driven by what he called President Donald Trump 's "cavalier attitude toward science in general and climate science in particular."

    And

    "The higher threshold increases the likelihood of "climate change hot spots challenging basic water, food, economic security and the risk of irreversible loss of wildlife," she said."

    In otherwords, no science.

    There never was any "
    consensus" and it isn't "settled science."

    Though the "media" is endlessly plugging this snake oil.

    As has been done over and over, nothing but hyperventilating idiocy about how "the world is coming to an end soon."

    All because .. THIS time global warming, I mean climate change.

    It's looking more and more like a religion.

    Remember Ellen G Whites great disappointment ?

    "...some 100,000 people in northeastern United States who futilely waited for Jesus second coming on October 22, 1844.

    Bitter anguish set in at midnight when they realized that their hopes would not be fulfilled. Many wept bitterly until daybreak.

    I cant even fathom how profound and life-changing an event it must have been, not just for Ellen White but for all Advent believers who were heavily invested in the anticipation of Jesus return, Whites great-grandson Charles White said in a telephone interview."


    ...

    https://www.adventistreview.org/chur...d-170-years-on

    Al Gores foolish predictions haven't yet come true.

    While he doesn't seem disappointed, his brethren are still out there predicting the fun.


    None of the other predictions throughout history warning us of climate catastrophe have occurred.

    We WERE going to freeze to death.

    Now we're going to burn to death.

    https://www.uspoliticsonline.com/for...089#post559089

    https://www.uspoliticsonline.com/for...429#post559429

    Next we'll freeze to death again.

    After that, who can guess what they'll start screaming and dancing about ?

    It WILL be something, that you can be sure of !

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    Climate Talks Pause as Battle Over Key Science Report Looms


    A diplomatic standoff over a single word could set the stage for a bigger showdown during the second half of this year's U.N. climate summit.

    Negotiators took time out Sunday to rest after the first week of talks ended on a sour note the previous night, when the United States sided with Russia, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait in blocking endorsement of a landmark study on global warming.

    ...

    As diplomats wrapped up a week of technical talks Saturday, almost all 200 countries present in Katowice, Poland, had wanted to "welcome" the IPCC report, making it the benchmark for future action.

    But the U.S. and three other delegations objected.

    "The United States was willing to note the report and express appreciation to the scientists who developed it, but not to welcome it, as that would denote endorsement of the report," the U.S. State Department said in a statement. "As we have made clear in the IPCC and other bodies, the United States has not endorsed the findings of the report."

    While none of the four-oil exporting countries spelled it out, their objection to the report likely included its suggestion that fossil-fuel use needs to be phased out by 2050. Oil, gas and coal are major sources of carbon dioxide, which traps heat in the atmosphere.

    The 2015 Paris agreement set a target of keeping global warming well below 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 Fahrenheit), ideally 1.5 C by the end of the century.

    Observers at the talks said the two Gulf countries' objection to the IPCC report came as no surprise.

    "The Saudis with their sidekicks the Kuwaitis have long been troublemakers in this in this process," said Meyer, who has followed international climate negotiations for many years.

    Russia's intentions were unclear, he said, while the U.S. position appeared to be driven by what he called President Donald Trump 's "cavalier attitude toward science in general and climate science in particular."

    "It's really an embarrassment for the world's leading scientific superpower to be in this position of having to disbelieve a report that was written by the world's scientific community including a large number of pre-eminent U.S. scientists," Meyer said.

    Saturday's floor fight casts doubt on whether countries will be able to reach consensus on important issues by Friday, including the need to step up national targets to curb carbon emissions.

    While many countries are sending ministers or even national leaders to the talks, the U.S. and Britain are among the countries that will be represented only by bureaucrats.


    ...

    https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/cl.../09/id/893749/

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    • #17
      This is what has happened to diplomacy, science, and US and international politics: Reason is cast aside and replaced with opinion, preference, and faux truth. The so-called Climate Summit is either incredibly naive or purposefully antagonistic (I assume the latter). No intelligent (including pseudo intelligent) people miss Why the US doesnt endorse the findings in the report. In fact, they even expose their true intent by taking yet another jab at our president.

      i remember the US took much the same position toward the Kyoto Accord...

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      • #18
        On this thread and so many others you have all hit of the important points. The exaggeration, manipulation, indoctrination, and hypocrisy surrounding climate science in replacement of data analysis.

        It is easy to go back through the years and see the obvious pattern to 'accepted' climate science. The 1998 Michael Mann 'Hockey Stick' graph made famous by Al Gore's movie is a prominent example. In 2003 the original methodology was proven fraudulent by a couple Canadian scientists, McIntyre and McKitrick. Any random data plugged into the program used by Mann would result in the same 'Hockey Stick' shaped results. This was not discovered because Mann shared his methodology with the scientific world to review - as real science is performed. But instead, they had to practically steal the program which for years remained well hidden by the Mann team.

        The paper written by the Canadians was rejected for publication by several scientific magazines so they published a website to share Mann's flaw in methodology. After several months of stalemate the discovery was finally acknowledged by other statisticians. But the stalemate between McIntyre and the scientific community gave Mann time to cover his own behind. By the time any prominent publication printed the Canadians conclusions seven 'independent' computer models backing up the Mann graph conclusions were peer reviewed as well. All seven flattened out the medieval warming while highlighting a 20th century temperature spike - just like the original. All seven were also created by members of the original Mann team . . . though that information was not public until 2006 - after two more years of the media pushing 'scientific consensus' as reason to shut up the skeptics.

        On and on it goes. The deception and political propaganda has poisoned any real science on climate change for decades now. Unfortunate, as there are likely some important discoveries climate scientists could make if politicians had not bastardized the field.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by SupPackFan View Post
          On this thread and so many others you have all hit of the important points. The exaggeration, manipulation, indoctrination, and hypocrisy surrounding climate science in replacement of data analysis.

          It is easy to go back through the years and see the obvious pattern to 'accepted' climate science. The 1998 Michael Mann 'Hockey Stick' graph made famous by Al Gore's movie is a prominent example. In 2003 the original methodology was proven fraudulent by a couple Canadian scientists, McIntyre and McKitrick. Any random data plugged into the program used by Mann would result in the same 'Hockey Stick' shaped results. This was not discovered because Mann shared his methodology with the scientific world to review - as real science is performed. But instead, they had to practically steal the program which for years remained well hidden by the Mann team.

          The paper written by the Canadians was rejected for publication by several scientific magazines so they published a website to share Mann's flaw in methodology. After several months of stalemate the discovery was finally acknowledged by other statisticians. But the stalemate between McIntyre and the scientific community gave Mann time to cover his own behind. By the time any prominent publication printed the Canadians conclusions seven 'independent' computer models backing up the Mann graph conclusions were peer reviewed as well. All seven flattened out the medieval warming while highlighting a 20th century temperature spike - just like the original. All seven were also created by members of the original Mann team . . . though that information was not public until 2006 - after two more years of the media pushing 'scientific consensus' as reason to shut up the skeptics.

          On and on it goes. The deception and political propaganda has poisoned any real science on climate change for decades now. Unfortunate, as there are likely some important discoveries climate scientists could make if politicians had not bastardized the field.
          And why would anyone believe them after the fraud that has been sold to us as 'science' for so long ?

          As you point out, unfortunately good, honest science will now be met with even more skepticism.

          Why ?

          Because we have power mad nuts who will use ANY method to control the people. Science, truth & honesty be damned !

          Take over medical care, tax the hell out of gasoline and transportation, void the second amendment etc etc etc

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          • #20
            I agree Capn, and add that the issue(s) is/are exacerbated by universities who promote pseudo science and opinion as fact.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by DavidSF View Post
              I agree Capn, and add that the issue(s) is/are exacerbated by universities who promote pseudo science and opinion as fact.
              Exactly. And many students buy the garbage 'science' and smug 'official opinion' they're taught because;

              "Why the professor, he knows. He teaches this subject !"

              And so it goes.

              The best hope we have is that these students,.. these people grow up, mature and realize they've been sold nonsense.

              And paid a hell of a lot for it !! LOL ... and most of them do. Life in the real world gives people an eye opener whether they like it or not.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post

                Exactly. And many students buy the garbage 'science' and smug 'official opinion' they're taught because;

                "Why the professor, he knows. He teaches this subject !"

                And so it goes.

                The best hope we have is that these students,.. these people grow up, mature and realize they've been sold nonsense.

                And paid a hell of a lot for it !! LOL ... and most of them do. Life in the real world gives people an eye opener whether they like it or not.
                The people in Paris got an eye opener on climate change and they certainly didn't like it. Obviously they thought it was a great idea until they found out they were going to pay for it. When are people going to learn that it is always the masses who pay for everything one way or another.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Brexx View Post
                  The people in Paris got an eye opener on climate change and they certainly didn't like it. Obviously they thought it was a great idea until they found out they were going to pay for it. When are people going to learn that it is always the masses who pay for everything one way or another.
                  Yes, when it came to pass that the people were going to have to pay even MORE of their income to power tripping nuts that want only one thing - more control over the people - they decided to revolt.

                  Many probably decided to to actually study the facts about this globalogne & learned that there really IS no science OR 'consensus' supporting it.

                  It's airhead nonsense through and through. It always has been LOL

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                  • #24
                    NOW we have 12 years left.

                    Al Bore said we had 10 years left ..

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                    Gore declared that unless we took drastic measures to reduce greenhouse gasses, the world would reach a point of no return in a mere ten years. He called it a true planetary emergency. Well, the ten years passed today, were still here, and the climate activists have postponed the apocalypse. Again.

                    https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/...s-wrong-again/

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                    Now alexandria assures us.....

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                    The world is going to end in 12 years unless the government takes action, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) said Monday at a Martin Luther King forum in New York City.

                    https://news.grabien.com/story-ocasi...-12-years-if-w

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                    These people are scary stupid !


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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
                      NOW we have 12 years left.

                      Al Bore said we had 10 years left ..

                      -------------------------------------------------

                      Gore declared that unless we took drastic measures to reduce greenhouse gasses, the world would reach a point of no return in a mere ten years. He called it a true planetary emergency. Well, the ten years passed today, were still here, and the climate activists have postponed the apocalypse. Again.

                      https://www.nationalreview.com/2016/...s-wrong-again/

                      -------------------------------------

                      Now alexandria assures us.....

                      -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                      The world is going to end in 12 years unless the government takes action, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) said Monday at a Martin Luther King forum in New York City.

                      https://news.grabien.com/story-ocasi...-12-years-if-w

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                      These people are scary stupid !

                      The alarmist predictors of climate catastrophe have been so wrong for so long its hard to believe anybody listens to them anymore.
                      Apparently Democrats fall for this stuff every time. They think the government should be able to control the climate without it costing them anything. No wonder they like AOC so much. She's terminally naive with a big mouth - a perfect fit for the Dems.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Brexx View Post
                        The alarmist predictors of climate catastrophe have been so wrong for so long its hard to believe anybody listens to them anymore.
                        Apparently Democrats fall for this stuff every time. They think the government should be able to control the climate without it costing them anything. No wonder they like AOC so much. She's terminally naive with a big mouth - a perfect fit for the Dems.
                        AOC is a golden example of modern education. This woman graduated cum laude from Boston University yet displays colossal ignorance on a daily basis. The climate alarmists of the past have always predicted a year where we pass the point of no return -- or a year when the sea levels will rise X feet -- but never like AOC has anyone literally said the world is going to end in X number of years. She is the equivalent of a religious zealot preaching Armageddon. The only difference is the religious based prediction would be questioned, mocked, and disregarded as craziness. AOC can throw this into a conversation and receive applause with no follow-up questions to be found.

                        The truth is climate change may destroy us economically and cost millions of lives -- even if the temperature does not raise one bit -- if our education system continues leading to people like AOC winning elections. CC may be the end of us after all.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by SupPackFan View Post

                          AOC is a golden example of modern education. This woman graduated cum laude from Boston University yet displays colossal ignorance on a daily basis. The climate alarmists of the past have always predicted a year where we pass the point of no return -- or a year when the sea levels will rise X feet -- but never like AOC has anyone literally said the world is going to end in X number of years. She is the equivalent of a religious zealot preaching Armageddon. The only difference is the religious based prediction would be questioned, mocked, and disregarded as craziness. AOC can throw this into a conversation and receive applause with no follow-up questions to be found.

                          The truth is climate change may destroy us economically and cost millions of lives -- even if the temperature does not raise one bit -- if our education system continues leading to people like AOC winning elections. CC may be the end of us after all.
                          Ya, better to blame our foolishness on something else.

                          Sounds familiar.

                          "I isn't that we became lazy and stupid, IT WAS CLIMATE CHANGE !"

                          It's never the alcoholics fault either LOL

                          As you say; climate change may destroy us economically and cost millions of lives -- even if the temperature does not raise one bit

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by SupPackFan View Post

                            AOC is a golden example of modern education. This woman graduated cum laude from Boston University yet displays colossal ignorance on a daily basis. The climate alarmists of the past have always predicted a year where we pass the point of no return -- or a year when the sea levels will rise X feet -- but never like AOC has anyone literally said the world is going to end in X number of years. She is the equivalent of a religious zealot preaching Armageddon. The only difference is the religious based prediction would be questioned, mocked, and disregarded as craziness. AOC can throw this into a conversation and receive applause with no follow-up questions to be found.

                            The truth is climate change may destroy us economically and cost millions of lives -- even if the temperature does not raise one bit -- if our education system continues leading to people like AOC winning elections. CC may be the end of us after all.
                            What's really scary is she majored in international relations and - get this - ECONOMICS! Its obvious that what she knows about economics could be written on the head of a pin in capital letters.
                            I thought it was only the humanities that had been taken over by the neo-Marxists, but it looks like the situation is much worse than that.
                            The universities should all be defunded if they don't stop indoctrinating our young people with a failed ideology. This is probably the biggest threat the country is facing. Today's students are going to be running the country tomorrow, and just imagine what a screw-up that's going to be.

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                            • #29
                              All of which leads me to believe either she is being handled by others with an agenda, or she has purposed in her heart to finally put an end to the dumb blond jokes (I havent heard one since she came on the scene).

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