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    From NewScientist:
    "a record high for sea ice extent was recorded around Antarctica"
    Why sea ice records are poles apart - environment - 08 October 2012 - New Scientist

    I thought global warming was supposed to melt both ice caps?

    Must be that pesky ozone hole that's allowing all that man made heat to escape into space...

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    Re: Antarctic sea ice extent highest ever on record

    Originally posted by kramer View Post
    From NewScientist:
    "a record high for sea ice extent was recorded around Antarctica"
    Why sea ice records are poles apart - environment - 08 October 2012 - New Scientist

    I thought global warming was supposed to melt both ice caps?

    Must be that pesky ozone hole that's allowing all that man made heat to escape into space...
    That's why they changed the argument from global warming to climate change. If it can't be blamed on man, you can't tax industry to fix it.

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      Re: Antarctic sea ice extent highest ever on record

      Did you read the link? It sure doesn't claim there isn't any global warming.

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        Re: Antarctic sea ice extent highest ever on record

        The link also explains why the difference.

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          Re: Antarctic sea ice extent highest ever on record

          LOL. Yep the artic is melting faster than the models projected. The southern ice is said to lag behind the northern one.

          I think this has more involved in it than just co2 levels rising. The artic melting at a faster rate than it should be doing, points to something else besides co2 level, IMO. And it is probably beyond our control. So act like a flea on a dog and just hang on I reckon.

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            Re: Antarctic sea ice extent highest ever on record

            Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
            LOL. Yep the artic is melting faster than the models projected.
            Is that because this year's record Arctic ice loss was mostly due to a huge 5 day storm that blew ice out into the open sea? Is it because winds changed in the 80's in that region and resulted in more ice being blown out into open water where it melted?



            Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
            The southern ice is said to lag behind the northern one.
            Have 'scientists' always said this or are they now saying it because the Antarctic ice is growing?


            Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
            I think this has more involved in it than just co2 levels rising. The artic melting at a faster rate than it should be doing, points to something else besides co2 level, IMO.
            Yes, a change in wind patterns in the 80's and for this year, a huge 5 day storm in August.

            Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
            And it is probably beyond our control.
            I thought the Earth's thermostat was the amount of CO2 in the air?

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              Re: Antarctic sea ice extent highest ever on record

              Most scientists agree we are between ice ages. No matter what man does or doesn't do, the next one will come. As I see it, long term climate change has something to do with the rotation of the earth around the sun and the wobble of the earth on its axis. I don't think CO2 concentrations have a lot to do with anything. CO2 is a miniscule percentage of the atmosphere. We have had warming periods before as evidence by tools found under melting ice caps. Man certainly didn't cause those with greenhouse gasses. I believe that scientists rely too heavily on their scientific theories and totally ignore what they see around them.

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                Re: Antarctic sea ice extent highest ever on record

                Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                Did you read the link? It sure doesn't claim there isn't any global warming.
                The article is about ice caps. It would be outside the scope of that article to claim Global IS or IS NOT warming.

                Further, the argument is not whether or not the earth's environment has been warming. The issue is around the cause of the warming. A lot of hysterical, man=bad folks are running around screaming it's man's fault and, therefore, man must pay... unless you're an underdeveloped nation in which case, the United States will pick up your part of the tab. THAT is what Kramer has been talking about for a long time.

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                  Re: Antarctic sea ice extent highest ever on record

                  Originally posted by kramer View Post
                  Is that because this year's record Arctic ice loss was mostly due to a huge 5 day storm that blew ice out into the open sea? Is it because winds changed in the 80's in that region and resulted in more ice being blown out into open water where it melted?




                  Have 'scientists' always said this or are they now saying it because the Antarctic ice is growing?




                  Yes, a change in wind patterns in the 80's and for this year, a huge 5 day storm in August.


                  I thought the Earth's thermostat was the amount of CO2 in the air?
                  Well, it is melting because the globe is warming. I don't think that is even open for debate. The circus has been around if man is the sole cause of this. I doubt it, but it is possible that our body temps are warming things up. LOL. Crowded rooms do the same thing.

                  As the oldman said, we are in between ice ages. That should be our worry, IMO. An ice age. We can survive the warming much easier.

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                    Re: Antarctic sea ice extent highest ever on record

                    Originally posted by Good1 View Post
                    The article is about ice caps. It would be outside the scope of that article to claim Global IS or IS NOT warming.

                    Further, the argument is not whether or not the earth's environment has been warming. The issue is around the cause of the warming. A lot of hysterical, man=bad folks are running around screaming it's man's fault and, therefore, man must pay... unless you're an underdeveloped nation in which case, the United States will pick up your part of the tab. THAT is what Kramer has been talking about for a long time.
                    Read the OP again, and the link. Tell me how the link does anything to support criticism of AGW.

                    I'm NOT a global warming alarmist. Skepticism of the international giveaway is great.

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                      Re: Antarctic sea ice extent highest ever on record

                      Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                      Read the OP again, and the link. Tell me how the link does anything to support criticism of AGW.

                      I'm NOT a global warming alarmist. Skepticism of the international giveaway is great.
                      Criticism of AGW has always been aimed at the CAUSE of global "climate change." Criticism has typically been aimed at the hysteria that man is either mostly or exclusively at fault. That article supports that global warming is a cyclical phenomenon but urges caution that we, nevertheless, exercise proper stewardship of the earth's resources.

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                        Re: Antarctic sea ice extent highest ever on record

                        Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                        Well, it is melting because the globe is warming. I don't think that is even open for debate.
                        Its a fact that winds changed in the late 80s that resulted in ice being pushed out farther from the north pole where it melted in the water. And its also a fact that a huge 5 day storm in the Arctic blew ice away from the ice pack that helped set this year's record ice loss.



                        Source: COI | Centre for Ocean and Ice | Danmarks Meteorologiske Institut


                        ...another factor was probably involved, one with roots going back to about 1989. At that time, a periodic flip in winds and pressure patterns over the Arctic Ocean, called the Arctic Oscillation, settled into a phase that tended to stop ice from drifting in a gyre for years, so it could thicken, and instead carried it out to the North Atlantic.

                        http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/02/sc...arct.html?_r=1

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                          Re: Antarctic sea ice extent highest ever on record

                          Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                          Read the OP again, and the link. Tell me how the link does anything to support criticism of AGW.

                          I'm NOT a global warming alarmist. Skepticism of the international giveaway is great.
                          I think there is little dispute that climate changes. Whether it is caused by man or natural phenomena is the question. I see little evidence that man is the cause of long term change in climate. The earth has been hotter before and it's been colder before. Long before man could possibly have had an impact on the process.

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                            Re: Antarctic sea ice extent highest ever on record

                            Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                            I think there is little dispute that climate changes. Whether it is caused by man or natural phenomena is the question. I see little evidence that man is the cause of long term change in climate. The earth has been hotter before and it's been colder before. Long before man could possibly have had an impact on the process.
                            It all surrounds the effect of higher co2 levels upon climate, I think. So, since man does pump co2 into the atmosphere, and if co2 levels do affect climate, we could very well say that man is contributing to climate change. So, the only question is, does co2 levels affect climate. Right?

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                              Re: Antarctic sea ice extent highest ever on record

                              Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                              It all surrounds the effect of higher co2 levels upon climate, I think. So, since man does pump co2 into the atmosphere, and if co2 levels do affect climate, we could very well say that man is contributing to climate change. So, the only question is, does co2 levels affect climate. Right?
                              Nope! The main question is----------->how much of it is produced man made, and how much is produced naturally.

                              I have a feeling (for some unknown reason) that you already know the answer to this question!

                              THEREFORE-------->to suggest we change our way of living for the very small percentage of CO2 that we actually contribure above what the earth contributes herself naturally is........well...... a red herring!

                              While it may be some enviros religion on this board to do so, not many are buying it.

                              We, the people, say this---------->we are not dumb, and will not destroy our own enviroment. To think that is so......NO, to proclaim that is so, just shows how far some people are in the tank. Humans are all about self preservation; just as any shrink in the world.

                              What your guys are putting forth is total nonsense..............not because we believe your measurments are wrong, (eventhough we do) but rather because your mouthpieces have consistently told everyone things that were going to happen, and NONE of them have come to fruition. (ever hear of Al Gore, lol) You are batting o'fer every prediction. If you are even REMOTELY correct, your own EXXAGERATION has caused you to lose whatever credibility you ever had...........which is probably none since you have taken us from going to freeze.......to going to burn..........to climate change to make your useless predictions more reasonable with whatever happens.

                              Your supposed science has proved NOTHING, except your guys know how to extract monies out of a supposed, created crisis; then pander to that crisis to confiscate more monies from taxpayers, for more pointy-headed studies that are proven to be altered to fit the outcome that you want to put forth.

                              YOU go back to the horse and buggy, and if it farts, I demand you shoot it! YOU go back to eating all vegetables, and leave us to eat beef and pork.

                              I hear there is a great place around the North Pole you can have your way, and I will even contribute 1 dollar to help you get there.

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