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  • #31
    Re: UN: centralized policies needed for global warming solutions

    Originally posted by Darth Hussein Omar View Post
    Lol right. I'm going to save that for summer when a heat wave or a drought hits.
    Global warming does nothing to prevent local temperatures from reaching record lows, in fact the extra energy in the atmosphere makes it more likely that local temperatures will reach extremes.

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    • #32
      Re: UN: centralized policies needed for global warming solutions

      Originally posted by Cleisthenes View Post
      Global warming does nothing to prevent local temperatures from reaching record lows, in fact the extra energy in the atmosphere makes it more likely that local temperatures will reach extremes.
      Why is that? From what I remember, the greenhouse effect is a stabilizing influence.

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      • #33
        Re: UN: centralized policies needed for global warming solutions

        Originally posted by Lurker View Post
        Why is that? From what I remember, the greenhouse effect is a stabilizing influence.
        In North America, record low temperatures occur when Artic cold fronts push their way further south than normal. Moving a large mass of cold air further from the North Pole requires energy. Since global temperature is a proxy for the amount of energy in the atmosphere, higher global temperature also means more energy to push cold fronts further south.

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        • #34
          Re: UN: centralized policies needed for global warming solutions

          Originally posted by Cleisthenes View Post
          Global warming does nothing to prevent local temperatures from reaching record lows, in fact the extra energy in the atmosphere makes it more likely that local temperatures will reach extremes.
          That's what I call covering all the bases.

          I see where The Economist is cooling off on AGW. Weren't they squarely in the alarmist camp?
          Last edited by Darth Hussein Omar; 04-01-2013, 07:04 PM.

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          • #35
            Re: UN: centralized policies needed for global warming solutions

            Originally posted by Darth Hussein Omar View Post
            That's what I call covering all the bases.
            It's called understanding the difference between climate and weather.

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            • #36
              Re: UN: centralized policies needed for global warming solutions

              Originally posted by Cleisthenes View Post
              In North America, record low temperatures occur when Artic cold fronts push their way further south than normal. Moving a large mass of cold air further from the North Pole requires energy. Since global temperature is a proxy for the amount of energy in the atmosphere, higher global temperature also means more energy to push cold fronts further south.
              What?... I call BS on this claim Cleisthenes. There were cold fronts moving south in the 70s when CO2 levels were around 335 ppm (below the safe level of 350 ppm). Now your side is trying to blame these same things happening today on global warming. You leftists are something else!

              I think that article I showed you a while back that predicted warming until the year 2000 followed by cooling is starting to come true.

              Leave it to leftists to leverage any thing they can for "the cause."

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              • #37
                Re: UN: centralized policies needed for global warming solutions

                Originally posted by Cleisthenes View Post
                To understand why the increase in global surface temperature has slowed in the last twenty years, one just needs to look a little deeper.

                Distinctive climate signals in reanalysis of global ocean heat content - Balmaseda - Geophysical Research Letters - Wiley Online Library
                The missing heat?... I don't buy this 'science' either. Trenberth has had this idea in his mind for years, it's no wonder he's 'found it.'
                I wouldn't be surprised if this study is goes the way of Marcott et al in the next few years.

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                • #38
                  Re: UN: centralized policies needed for global warming solutions

                  Originally posted by kramer View Post
                  The missing heat?... I don't buy this 'science' either. Trenberth has had this idea in his mind for years, it's no wonder he's 'found it.'
                  I wouldn't be surprised if this study is goes the way of Marcott et al in the next few years.
                  These folks will be claiming the next ice age is caused by global warming as the earth starts to freeze over.

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                  • #39
                    Re: UN: centralized policies needed for global warming solutions

                    Originally posted by kramer View Post
                    What?... I call BS on this claim Cleisthenes. There were cold fronts moving south in the 70s when CO2 levels were around 335 ppm (below the safe level of 350 ppm). Now your side is trying to blame these same things happening today on global warming. You leftists are something else!

                    I think that article I showed you a while back that predicted warming until the year 2000 followed by cooling is starting to come true.

                    Leave it to leftists to leverage any thing they can for "the cause."
                    I don't care if you believe me, that's what climate science says.

                    Weather Extremes: Atmospheric Waves And Climate Change | The Energy Collective

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                    • #40
                      Re: UN: centralized policies needed for global warming solutions

                      Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                      These folks will be claiming the next ice age is caused by global warming as the earth starts to freeze over.
                      If the freeze was limited to Northern Europe, that's certainly possible.

                      Is global warming causing harsher winters?

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                      • #41
                        Re: UN: centralized policies needed for global warming solutions

                        Originally posted by Cleisthenes View Post
                        I don't care if you believe me, that's what climate science says.

                        Weather Extremes: Atmospheric Waves And Climate Change | The Energy Collective
                        It seems to me that about every other day, one of these "scientists" comes out and says "we really don't understand why the warming has stopped" or "we believe that the current stall in temperature rise is only temporary" or "we can't explain the relationship between CO2 and temperature but we have no other explanation."

                        They are all guessing. They all know it, we all know it, it is only the poorly informed who don't know it.

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                        • #42
                          Re: UN: centralized policies needed for global warming solutions

                          Originally posted by Cleisthenes View Post
                          I don't care if you believe me, that's what climate science says.
                          Well, I'm telling you that the Jet Stream has dipped far South in the 70's when CO2 was below the 'safe' level of 350 ppm. This is a fact that deflates the 'science' of today that claims the Jet Stream is moving South because of AGW.

                          And, has Climate 'science' has never been wrong?


                          Wow, that article was by Joseph Romm of Soros' backed thinkprogress.org. Yeah, I believe him and anything that leftist Soros backed organization says...

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                          • #43
                            Re: UN: centralized policies needed for global warming solutions

                            Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                            It seems to me that about every other day, one of these "scientists" comes out and says "we really don't understand why the warming has stopped" or "we believe that the current stall in temperature rise is only temporary" or "we can't explain the relationship between CO2 and temperature but we have no other explanation."

                            They are all guessing. They all know it, we all know it, it is only the poorly informed who don't know it.
                            Then it shouldn't be too difficult for you to link to one of these articles.

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                            • #44
                              Re: UN: centralized policies needed for global warming solutions

                              Originally posted by kramer View Post
                              Wow, that article was by Joseph Romm of Soros' backed thinkprogress.org. Yeah, I believe him and anything that leftist Soros backed organization says...
                              Maybe you would rather read the paper the article was referring to. Feel free to point out the errors in their methodology.

                              Quasiresonant amplification of planetary waves and recent Northern Hemisphere weather extremes

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                              • #45
                                Re: UN: centralized policies needed for global warming solutions

                                Originally posted by Cleisthenes View Post
                                Then it shouldn't be too difficult for you to link to one of these articles.
                                As it just so happens:

                                Global Warming Skeptics Call Study Touting Recent Spike in Temperature ‘Groundless’

                                McKitrick wrote that the researchers “quietly admitted over the weekend, their new and stunning claim is groundless.”
                                Global Warming Skeptics Call Study Touting Recent Spike in Temperature ‘Groundless’ | TheBlaze.com

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