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  • Still skeptical and rightly so.

    I have always been a skeptic on AGW, especially about the alarmist stuff that predicted massive death and destruction for all forms of life on earth.
    I think human activity has had, and does have, an effect on the climate, but not a major one..

    This article should be of interest to both sides of the climate debate.

    Scientists are struggling to explain a slowdown in climate change that has exposed gaps in their understanding and defies a rise in global greenhouse gas emissions.
    Often focused on century-long trends, most climate models failed to predict that the temperature rise would slow, starting around 2000. Scientists are now intent on figuring out the causes and determining whether the respite will be brief or a more lasting phenomenon.

    Getting this right is essential for the short and long-term planning of governments and businesses ranging from energy to construction, from agriculture to insurance. Many scientists say they expect a revival of warming in coming years.

    Theories for the pause include that deep oceans have taken up more heat with the result that the surface is cooler than expected, that industrial pollution in Asia or clouds are blocking the sun, or that greenhouse gases trap less heat than previously believed.

    The change may be a result of an observed decline in heat-trapping water vapor in the high atmosphere, for unknown reasons. It could be a combination of factors or some as yet unknown natural variations, scientists say.

    Weak economic growth and the pause in warming is undermining governments' willingness to make a rapid billion-dollar shift from fossil fuels. Almost 200 governments have agreed to work out a plan by the end of 2015 to combat global warming.

    "The climate system is not quite so simple as people thought," said Bjorn Lomborg, a Danish statistician and author of "The Skeptical Environmentalist" who estimates that moderate warming will be beneficial for crop growth and human health.

    Climate scientists struggle to explain warming slowdown | Reuters

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    Re: Still skeptical and rightly so.

    "The climate system is not quite so simple as people thought," said Bjorn Lomborg, a Danish statistician and author of "The Skeptical Environmentalist" who estimates that moderate warming will be beneficial for crop growth and human health. [from prior link]
    Now there’s a gem of a quote.

    “The climate is not quite so simple as people thought.” Not so simple as who thought?

    It sure as hell wasn’t me.

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    • #3
      Re: Still skeptical and rightly so.

      Interesting that some of those guys are still calling it "global warming" while those of us in the midwest and west are suffering through snow storms in the middle of April (Colorado and Minnesota, many inches of it over several weeks, now). I hope Kramer wanders in sometime soon: I'd like to get his take on the article. A lot of it is what he's been saying for a long time.

      something I did not understand, however, was the statement that:

      A study by Dutch experts this month sought to explain why there is now more sea ice in winter. It concluded melted ice from Anarctica was refreezing on the ocean surface - this fresh water freezes more easily than dense salt water.
      I will confess my ignorance of chemistry, here, just by asking the question, doesn't the fresh water MIX with the salt water? If it does, would it not assimilate into the salt water's salinity and, so, NOT freeze as a separate entity?

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      • #4
        Re: Still skeptical and rightly so.

        And our SOS is in China this week claiming tha AGW is the biggest problem that we face.

        What a tool...

        John Kerry on World Tour Warning Folks about Manmade Global Warming | French Tribune

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        • #5
          Re: Still skeptical and rightly so.

          Originally posted by tsquare View Post
          And our SOS is in China this week claiming tha AGW is the biggest problem that we face.

          What a tool...

          John Kerry on World Tour Warning Folks about Manmade Global Warming | French Tribune
          What did you expect of someone from Massachusetts? I mean heck, Barney Frank is from there as well. All ideology all the time, supersedes everything else, including facts and common sense, I'd say.

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            Re: Still skeptical and rightly so.

            Originally posted by tsquare View Post
            And our SOS is in China this week claiming tha AGW is the biggest problem that we face.

            What a tool...

            John Kerry on World Tour Warning Folks about Manmade Global Warming | French Tribune
            Yeah, he also made some dumb statement about foreign students being afraid to come here to study because of our gun laws. Something even the New York Times disputed.

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              Re: Still skeptical and rightly so.

              Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
              Yeah, he also made some dumb statement about foreign students being afraid to come here to study because of our gun laws. Something even the New York Times disputed.
              A perfect example of ideology and agenda trumping facts. It's also a perfect example of a superior elitist attitude of 'I know everything, and if I say it is so, it is so'.

              These are the folks that need to be booted out of government, guys.

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                Re: Still skeptical and rightly so.

                Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                A perfect example of ideology and agenda trumping facts. It's also a perfect example of a. superior elitist attitude of 'I know everything, and if I say it is so, it is so'.

                These are the folks that need to be booted out of government, guys.
                Not too soon I think, the more time they are given to make mockery of themselves, the longer it'll be until people forget and gI've them another chance

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                • #9
                  Re: Still skeptical and rightly so.

                  Originally posted by Lurker View Post
                  Not too soon I think, the more time they are given to make mockery of themselves, the longer it'll be until people forget and gI've them another chance
                  Let me guess. You're a glass 1/2 full kinda guy, right?

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                  • #10
                    Re: Still skeptical and rightly so.

                    Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                    Let me guess. You're a glass 1/2 full kinda guy, right?
                    When your enemy is in the process of destroying themselves, sit back and giggle

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                    • #11
                      Re: Still skeptical and rightly so.

                      Originally posted by Lurker View Post
                      When your enemy is in the process of destroying themselves, sit back and giggle
                      Umm Yup!

                      Interesting. Just a few months ago, after the election, 1/2 the people were lamenting the end of the Republicans, the other 1/2 were running around with glee.

                      A few months later, 1/2 are still running around with glee, in denial about where their politician's fortunes are heading. The other 1/2 is cautiously observing, and hedging their bets.

                      I guess that must be the pendulum of momentum in action, swinging from side to side.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Still skeptical and rightly so.

                        Global warming advocates always remind me of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy quote"

                        Though it cannot hope to be useful or informative on all matters, it does make the reassuring claim that where it is inaccurate, it is at least definitively inaccurate. In cases of major discrepancy it was always reality that's got it wrong.
                        We're now 15 years into the actual climate really just not behaving according to "scientific" models but routinely told to ignore the actual climate in favor of the predicted climate.

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                          Re: Still skeptical and rightly so.

                          Global warming stopped 16 years ago, reveals Met Office report quietly released... and here is the chart to prove it | Mail Online

                          Seems that global warming is not happening more than a natural trend by the looks of it.

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                            Re: Still skeptical and rightly so.

                            Originally posted by Whipple View Post
                            Global warming advocates always remind me of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy quote"



                            We're now 15 years into the actual climate really just not behaving according to "scientific" models but routinely told to ignore the actual climate in favor of the predicted climate.
                            To hell with the evidence or the science! We have wealth to redistribute! Business as usual!

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                            • #15
                              Re: Still skeptical and rightly so.

                              The earth is currently in a warming trend as opposed to an ice age. This is evident by the simple fact that the glaciers are receding. You can see it with your own eyes. And that's why we have ice bergs.

                              From what I recall of my college astronomy class 15 years ago, these cycles are naturally occuring and last some ten plus thousands of years and have cycled back and forth over time due to some wobble on the earth's axis.

                              It has nothing to do with man.


                              But there's that boring old truth again, that doesn't get people riled up so most ignore it.

                              Let the war between SUV driving Republicans & Eco-nazi liberals carry on!!!

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