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  • Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

    Originally posted by Cleisthenes View Post
    Is it not about 0.6 C warmer now than in 1970?

    Russian Academy Of Sciences Experts Warn Of Imminent Cold Period: “Global Warming Is A Marketing Trick”

    Sorry Global Warming Alarmists, The Earth Is Cooling - Forbes

    Qualimetrics Blog Archive Why Global Warming is a Natural Occurrence

    We are between glacial periods. If that is true then of course there is going to be warming trends. From everything I have read it is unclear where between the periods we are. Some say 10,000 years some say 50K some say 20K. No one knows for sure the length of the warm period between glacials. That being valid then logically the earth will rise in temperature whether we go back to living in caves or not.

    Now consider this.

    In 1970 we were less than 6 billion humans, now we are OVER 7 billion. We all EXHALE carbon dioxide when we breath so all other sources aside breathing by almost 1.5 BILLION more humans on the planet will sure as hell increase CO2 output. Not to mention methane. I know when I die that the methane production by humans will be cut in half but you have to wait a few more decades before that happens.

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    • Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

      Originally posted by Cleisthenes View Post
      Then present data showing that deforestation releases more CO2 than fossil fuel use.
      Your argument is deforestation. Mine is the ratio of man-made to natural sources of CO2. Read the post below VERY carefully.

      Originally posted by Cleisthenes View Post
      ... man-made CO2 is only a fraction of naturally produced CO2
      Now that is a reference even you cannot argue with.


      Originally posted by Cleisthenes View Post
      If it wasn't for our use of fossil fuels, atmospheric CO2 levels wouldn't be increasing.
      You are so funny ... If it wasn't for Liberals breathing, atmospheric CO2 levels wouldn't be increasing.

      Originally posted by Cleisthenes View Post
      Is it not about 0.6 C warmer now than in 1970?
      Appeal to Diversion. It got cooler from 1945 to 1970, which means it did not get warmer.

      Originally posted by Cleisthenes View Post
      Science disagrees with you.
      Science is a method, a tool, which neither agrees nor disagrees. It is funny that you keep pretending science supports your politics despite being proven wrong time after time.

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      • Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

        Originally posted by Cleisthenes View Post
        Actually is does agree with what I said. From the report summary:

        Current global temperatures of the past decade have not yet exceeded peak interglacial values but are warmer than during ~75% of the Holocene temperature history.

        Since it is not as warm now as it was thousands of years ago there is nothing abnormal or surprising that we have seen some warming in the last 150 years, especially considering that that was around the end of the LIA, the coldest period in the Holocene.

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        • Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

          Originally posted by JohnLocke View Post
          Untrue. Even if one is not flying due North but Northerly one is not flying South.




          Your purpose is clear; to support world-wide socialist utopia using any and all means to achieve it.

          I am not looking to state a conclusion but an axiom, basic epistemology. It violates hypothesis testing to suppose all results support a particular concluslion like global warming.
          It's nice that you're jumping to baseless conclusions, but perhaps a bit of honesty would do you some good. You deliberately ignored the parts of my post that addressed your silliness.

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          • Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

            Originally posted by JohnLocke View Post
            Finally, the implied flaw in your thinking is exposed. The question is if it is cooling then it is not warming. Cooling and warming are directional. You are pretending the rate of direction change dictates direction. It does not. If one is headed north, no matter how fast or slow, one is not heading south.
            Direction is a vector which means it is defined by two points, a start and an end. Whether it is warming or cooling depends on what you define as your starting and ending points. Just because June 11 was cooler than June 10 doesn't mean it's not spring. And just because 2011 was cooler than 2012 does not mean that global warming has stopped.

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            • Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

              Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
              You do realize that deforestation does NOT contribute CO2 right? Deforestation reduces the ability of the plants to scrub the CO2 OUT.
              What do you think happens to all of the carbon in the trees they cut down?

              If deforstation does not contribute to rising CO2 levels, then why did you claim the following?

              Originally posted by Wlessard:2174486
              I have never argued that we are not warming. I am only arguing that Man has such a dramatic affect. It is NOT our emissions that in my opinion are the BIGGEST cause of man's culpability but the destruction of millions upon millions of acres of forests in the Rain Forest areas and reducing the planet's ability to clean the air.

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              • Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                Originally posted by JohnLocke View Post
                Your argument is deforestation. Mine is the ratio of man-made to natural sources of CO2. Read the post below VERY carefully.
                When have I ever made that argument? Deforestation contributes to rising CO2 levels, but no where near as much as fossil fuel use.

                Now that is a reference even you cannot argue with.
                You do know that nature absorbs CO2 as well, don't you? And since nature absorbs more CO2 than it emits, rising CO2 levels cannot be considered "natural".

                Appeal to Diversion. It got cooler from 1945 to 1970, which means it did not get warmer.
                After warming about 0.4 C from 1910 thru 1945. And I don't know if the increase of 0.03 C between 1945 & 1970 would really be considered "cooling".

                Science is a method, a tool, which neither agrees nor disagrees. It is funny that you keep pretending science supports your politics despite being proven wrong time after time.
                I'm sorry, I must have missed where you posted the science showing that global mean temperature has not been increasing at unprecidented rates over the last 100 years. Would you mind pointing me to the relevent posts?

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                • Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                  The Russian Academy of Sciences has been predicting imminent cooling since the 1970's. How's that worked for them so far?

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                  • Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                    Originally posted by Brexx View Post
                    Actually is does agree with what I said. From the report summary:

                    Current global temperatures of the past decade have not yet exceeded peak interglacial values but are warmer than during ~75% of the Holocene temperature history.
                    Which was after the report said:
                    Surface temperature reconstructions of the past 1500 years suggest that recent warming is unprecedented in that time.
                    Originally posted by Brexx
                    Since it is not as warm now as it was thousands of years ago there is nothing abnormal or surprising that we have seen some warming in the last 150 years, especially considering that that was around the end of the LIA, the coldest period in the Holocene.
                    Then you will have no problem showing me where in the last 11,000 years global temperature has increased 1 C in only a century.

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                    • Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                      Originally posted by Cleisthenes View Post
                      When have I ever made that argument? Deforestation contributes to rising CO2 levels, but no where near as much as fossil fuel use.
                      As I said, Appeal to Diversion. Deforestation does not increase CO2 levels.


                      Originally posted by Cleisthenes View Post
                      And since nature absorbs more CO2 than it emits, rising CO2 levels cannot be considered "natural".
                      You are simply wrong on the facts. The records clearly show CO2 levels where much higher than they are now on more than one occasion and this before the Industrial Revolution, meaning rising CO2 levels are indeed natural.


                      Originally posted by Cleisthenes View Post
                      After warming about 0.4 C from 1910 thru 1945. And I don't know if the increase of 0.03 C between 1945 & 1970 would really be considered "cooling".
                      More revisionist history, Rewriting The Past At The Ministry Of Truth: ‘In 1975, NCAR’s graph of global cooling showing temps plummeted from 1945 to 1970 — Muller’s 2011 graph, showed that the cooling never happened’ | Climate Depot

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                      Originally posted by Cleisthenes View Post
                      I'm sorry, I must have missed where you posted the science showing that global mean temperature has not been increasing at unprecidented rates over the last 100 years. Would you mind pointing me to the relevent posts?
                      It is amazing how you keep Appealing to Diversion. Before it was since 1970. Now it is over the last 100 years. This thread is about since 1998. And the facts where already presented in the OP. It is funny how alarmists always pretend the science refuting AGW has yet to be presented. LOL

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                      • Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                        Originally posted by Slon View Post
                        It's nice that you're jumping to baseless conclusions, but perhaps a bit of honesty would do you some good. You deliberately ignored the parts of my post that addressed your silliness.
                        Ha! I ignored your silliness in pretending cooling - is or could be depending on the context, blah, blah, blah, - really a form of warming. ROFLMAO.

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                        • Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                          Originally posted by Cleisthenes View Post
                          Which was after the report said:



                          Then you will have no problem showing me where in the last 11,000 years global temperature has increased 1 C in only a century.
                          Recent warming may be unprecedented in the last 1500 years, but that does not mean it is abnormal.

                          We don't know how much temperatures changed over time periods as short as a century thousands of years ago. We can't determine that from proxy data.

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                          • Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                            Originally posted by JohnLocke View Post
                            It is amazing how you keep Appealing to Diversion. Before it was since 1970. Now it is over the last 100 years. This thread is about since 1998. And the facts where already presented in the OP. It is funny how alarmists always pretend the science refuting AGW has yet to be presented. LOL
                            Originally posted by Cleisthenes View Post
                            Then you will have no problem showing me where in the last 11,000 years global temperature has increased 1 C in only a century.
                            Now you come up with 11,000 years. It is so funny that you keep changing your point of reference to make things seem they way you want them to be:

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                            • Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                              Originally posted by JohnLocke View Post
                              As I said, Appeal to Diversion. Deforestation does not increase CO2 levels.
                              Since that is not my argument, I don't know why you're focusing on it.

                              You are simply wrong on the facts. The records clearly show CO2 levels where much higher than they are now on more than one occasion and this before the Industrial Revolution, meaning rising CO2 levels are indeed natural.
                              weren't you just complaining on another thread about failing to read and understand the other person's posts? I said the current increase in CO2 cannot be considered natural because nature is absorbing more CO2 than it is emitting. How high CO2 may have been in the distant past is an "appeal to diversion", since the last time atmospheric CO2 was above 400 ppm was about 3 million years ago when Earth's climate was far different.

                              Does Mr. Goddard have a source for the 1975 NCAR data other than a 1978 Newsweek clipping? I would hate to think he's confusing local cooling with global trends.

                              It is amazing how you keep Appealing to Diversion. Before it was since 1970. Now it is over the last 100 years. This thread is about since 1998. And the facts where already presented in the OP. It is funny how alarmists always pretend the science refuting AGW has yet to be presented. LOL
                              It's amazing how you keep failing to provide scientific data to support your claims and then calling the data presented to refute it an "appeal to diversion".

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                              • Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                                Originally posted by Cleisthenes View Post
                                weren't you just complaining on another thread about failing to read and understand the other person's posts? I said the current increase in CO2 cannot be considered natural because nature is absorbing more CO2 than it is emitting.
                                And I proved that is untrue. Witness your own post below.

                                Originally posted by Cleisthenes View Post
                                ... the last time atmospheric CO2 was above 400 ppm was about 3 million years ago when Earth's climate was far different.
                                TRANSLATION: Nature does not absorb as much CO2 as it emits - even if it was a different climate long ago - since you admit CO2 was once higher than it is now. A different climate does not a non-natural climate make.

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