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  • Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

    Here is some breakthroughs that could help us say, hell with these anti-carbon dioxide laws. Let them pollute.


    Carbon dioxide could be a new clean energy resource

    Researchers have developed a porous electrode that is meant to exploit the chemical reactions that can be generated with carbon dioxide. For their experiment, the research team flushed carbon dioxide into water in order to generate a reaction. The gas responded to the water and produced carbonic acid, which eventually becomes positive hydrogen ions and negative bicarbonate HCO3 ions. The team found that this process results in an excess electrical charge. Researchers suggest that this process could be a promising way to turn carbon dioxide into clean energy. Notably, carbon dioxide is consumed through this process, with no emissions being reintroduced to the environment.

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    • Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

      Originally posted by JohnLocke View Post
      Again, you are not answering my questions. I am not offering opinion but demanding you put up or shut up.
      All of the numbers and calculations supporting my claim that 98% of scientists support AGW are contained in the peer reviewed papers I have linked to. If you can't take the time to read them, don't ask me to help you. Now what data have you offered to support your claim that 98% of scientists reject AGW? In other words, put up or shut up.

      Copying and pasting a link of somebody else's opinions does not answer my fact based questions.
      So now a published paper using "an extensive dataset of 1,372 climate researchers and their publication and citation data to show that (i) 97–98% of the climate researchers most actively publishing in the field support the tenets of ACC outlined by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change" is just "somebody else's opinion"? Why do you hate science so much?

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      • Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

        Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
        Here is some breakthroughs that could help us say, hell with these anti-carbon dioxide laws. Let them pollute.
        Sounds like a great way for businesses to comply with cap & trade programs, but without the laws, what incentive will they have to adopt it?

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        • Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

          Originally posted by Cleisthenes View Post
          Sounds like a great way for businesses to comply with cap & trade programs, but without the laws, what incentive will they have to adopt it?
          First of all, if it produces electricity then the company can makes it's own electricity from it's carbon dioxide output and save money that way. Good reason there more than anything. But hey I have an imagination and can think up things like that.

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          • Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

            Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
            First of all, if it produces electricity then the company can makes it's own electricity from it's carbon dioxide output and save money that way. Good reason there more than anything. But hey I have an imagination and can think up things like that.
            Whereas the Cleisthenes of the world can only imagine the positive benefits of more government coercion in society. He talks of "cap & trade programs" as if they are some voluntary and beneficial-to-the-trader program. He only imagines the opposite; that a trader can only be made to trade against his will by the benevolent force of the State who know way better than the trader what is good for him.

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            • Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

              Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
              First of all, if it produces electricity then the company can makes it's own electricity from it's carbon dioxide output and save money that way. Good reason there more than anything. But hey I have an imagination and can think up things like that.
              Only if the electricity generated saves more than the equipment costs, or have you forgotten how free markets work. The problem is not lack of imagination, it is your assumption that without a legal incentive, people will voluntarily reduce their CO2 emissions. Remember when acid rain was a problem? Did companies reduce their SO2 by 40% since 1995 because it saved them money?

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              • Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                Originally posted by Cleisthenes View Post
                Only if the electricity generated saves more than the equipment costs, or have you forgotten how free markets work. The problem is not lack of imagination, it is your assumption that without a legal incentive, people will voluntarily reduce their CO2 emissions. Remember when acid rain was a problem? Did companies reduce their SO2 by 40% since 1995 because it saved them money?
                What do you care about free market. You come across as a liberal that wants to slam anyone who tries to rise above the status quo and demonize their success.

                But that is just how you sound to me when you post.

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                • Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                  threads like these are gifts to the Democratic Party, ensuring a whole generation of rational young people will forever view conservatives as...well...blind and weird.

                  Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

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                  • Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                    Originally posted by jpn View Post
                    threads like these are gifts to the Democratic Party, ensuring a whole generation of rational young people will forever view conservatives as...well...blind and weird.

                    Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet
                    Because hey... it's working so well...

                    Obama’s Popularity Flags Among Younger Voters - Truthdig

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                    • Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                      Lets go back to a logical argument about the warming.

                      Circa 1900.

                      Measure temperatures across the globe. Places like the Rainforest were cooler as there was a LOT more trees. Cities were cooler due to lack of concrete and asphalt. Average temp was lower as Global Warming alarmists claim.

                      Circa 2000

                      Same measurements. Higher temps in the Rainforest due to deforestation, cities with huge concrete buildings and tons of asphalt soaking up the heat increase temperatures that are recorded.

                      Result higher temperatures even though the planet is NOT heating up. China has a LOT of new if empty cities that are simply heat sinks and accumulators for heat.

                      So, how about this, spread out the cities rather than have them clumps of heat sinks and the recorded temps go down.

                      Simply put the earth is not heating up the cities are holding more heat longer so it is the city design not other sources that are causing the increased heat measurements.

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                      • Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                        Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
                        Lets go back to a logical argument about the warming.

                        Circa 1900.

                        Measure temperatures across the globe. Places like the Rainforest were cooler as there was a LOT more trees. Cities were cooler due to lack of concrete and asphalt. Average temp was lower as Global Warming alarmists claim.

                        Circa 2000

                        Same measurements. Higher temps in the Rainforest due to deforestation, cities with huge concrete buildings and tons of asphalt soaking up the heat increase temperatures that are recorded.

                        Result higher temperatures even though the planet is NOT heating up. China has a LOT of new if empty cities that are simply heat sinks and accumulators for heat.

                        So, how about this, spread out the cities rather than have them clumps of heat sinks and the recorded temps go down.

                        Simply put the earth is not heating up the cities are holding more heat longer so it is the city design not other sources that are causing the increased heat measurements.
                        This is nonsense. Sure, cities create heat islands but the heat islands are not what is measured when they take the temperature of the earth. When you average all the city hot spots with all the other places on the planet, you find that the average temperature for the planet is going up.

                        Spreading out the people makes things worse because it increases a lot of costs associated with keeping people alive and fed and employed. The carbon footprint of the average farmer is a lot higher than it is for the average urbanite.

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                        • Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                          Originally posted by zip98053 View Post
                          This is nonsense. Sure, cities create heat islands but the heat islands are not what is measured when they take the temperature of the earth. When you average all the city hot spots with all the other places on the planet, you find that the average temperature for the planet is going up.

                          Spreading out the people makes things worse because it increases a lot of costs associated with keeping people alive and fed and employed. The carbon footprint of the average farmer is a lot higher than it is for the average urbanite.
                          At one time temperature measurement was done in various locations around the country. Now, much of the official data is collected at airports, large chunks of heat retaining concrete.

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                            Originally posted by zip98053 View Post
                            This is nonsense. Sure, cities create heat islands but the heat islands are not what is measured when they take the temperature of the earth. When you average all the city hot spots with all the other places on the planet, you find that the average temperature for the planet is going up.

                            Spreading out the people makes things worse because it increases a lot of costs associated with keeping people alive and fed and employed. The carbon footprint of the average farmer is a lot higher than it is for the average urbanite.
                            Really? So they do not measure cities but they average cities? How do you get an average for the city hot spots if you do not measure them?

                            My point is if Chicago had an average yearly temperature of X in 1900 and then you measured it in 2000 and the average temp of the city was X+15 it would create a higher overall average earth temp as a result. Even if there was no actual increase of world temp the fact that cities that have been measured since before they became heat sinks and collectors would drive up the overall average say .2% or about what they are claiming the increase in temp has been.

                            As for spreading people out, are you saying the suburbs make things worse? Seems to me the suburbs prospered and still prosper and have reasonable infrastructure to keep people working and fed. Hell my mother took the train from Mansfield to Boston for almost a decade for work in Boston. It didn't hurt her employment or others employment nor did it make things worse.

                            BTW prove that a farmer has a higher carbon footprint. I am really tired of liberals making claims without supporting them.

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                            • Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                              Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
                              Really? So they do not measure cities but they average cities? How do you get an average for the city hot spots if you do not measure them?

                              My point is if Chicago had an average yearly temperature of X in 1900 and then you measured it in 2000 and the average temp of the city was X+15 it would create a higher overall average earth temp as a result. Even if there was no actual increase of world temp the fact that cities that have been measured since before they became heat sinks and collectors would drive up the overall average say .2% or about what they are claiming the increase in temp has been.

                              As for spreading people out, are you saying the suburbs make things worse? Seems to me the suburbs prospered and still prosper and have reasonable infrastructure to keep people working and fed. Hell my mother took the train from Mansfield to Boston for almost a decade for work in Boston. It didn't hurt her employment or others employment nor did it make things worse.

                              BTW prove that a farmer has a higher carbon footprint. I am really tired of liberals making claims without supporting them.
                              Wlessard, if you look back at Zips post 536, you will see what all of us say is the grand plan--------->they want us all in Cities! They want us on public transportation, and need us there to support their liberal ideology, since many a liberal supporter can't support him/her self.

                              All you need do is look at Detroit, Chicago, and a host of huge urban areas and see their balance sheet, and you know why these people would be so interested to have people with money flowing in, instead of out as it is today.

                              Many of us in Indiana that are on the border, refuse to go into Chicago. (even many from our chamber of commerce, although they won't publicly admit it) We won't pay those taxes, get robbed by teenage mobs, or support their welfare city.

                              Someone from our business community made an astute observation------------>if you go to the Indiana gas stations closest to the border of Chicago (about 2mls away) all you see is Illinois cars in there with Chicago city stickers. Why? Because even the liberals want to avoid their own taxes, lol. They are in those stations because gasoline is a lot cheaper, and cigarettes are waaaaaaaaayyyyyy cheaper. You see, a carton of smokes in Chicago is about 100 bucks, in Indiana it is 50. You see them walk out with 7, 8, 10 cartons, think they are smoking them all, or rather, buying them for other people while they are fueling up and saving 10 to 40 cents a gallon?!?!?!?!?!?!

                              In essence, they are happy to put lotsa taxes off on everyone else, but pay those taxes for the good of all? Well, not so much I guess.

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                              • Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                                Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
                                Lets go back to a logical argument about the warming.

                                Circa 1900.

                                Measure temperatures across the globe. Places like the Rainforest were cooler as there was a LOT more trees. Cities were cooler due to lack of concrete and asphalt. Average temp was lower as Global Warming alarmists claim.

                                Circa 2000

                                Same measurements. Higher temps in the Rainforest due to deforestation, cities with huge concrete buildings and tons of asphalt soaking up the heat increase temperatures that are recorded.

                                Result higher temperatures even though the planet is NOT heating up. China has a LOT of new if empty cities that are simply heat sinks and accumulators for heat.

                                So, how about this, spread out the cities rather than have them clumps of heat sinks and the recorded temps go down.

                                Simply put the earth is not heating up the cities are holding more heat longer so it is the city design not other sources that are causing the increased heat measurements.
                                Seriously, you call this a logical argument? Try this logic on for size. If the planet is not heating up, then the heat causing higher temps in the the rainforest and cities must be coming from somewhere else. So please tell us, where on the planet it is getting cooler?

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