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  • #46
    Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

    Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
    Hence me previous comment about constantly providing FACTS and LINKS to support how other scientists are denying global warming and why. From Carbon Dioxide could be a TRAILING factor not a leading factor, to the latest sun cycle being a maunder minimum to how the ice pack sensors malfunctioned and UNDER REPORTED the glacial ice. There are MANY questions about whether or not global warming is real. The science is NOT settled and NO THEORY is ever set in stone.
    Also one thing that many folks don't know is that in testing any hypothesis there are generally incoherences observed, but if the coherence is such that it is determined to overwhelm the incoherences, the incoherences are set aside, for later work, to explain them away. And of course with a loaded hypothesis, or one needed direly for whatever reason, those incoherences remain untested, not investigated. I got this bit of info from reading book by the eminent physicist David Bohm, and from another scientist (not sure of his field) by the name of Sheldrake, I think. Also by another eminent physicist, the man who headed the investigation of the shuttle disaster many years ago. His name will come to me perhaps once I post this. Richard something or the other, oh, Feynman(probably didn't spell his last name correctly.)

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    • #47
      Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

      Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
      BTW, I would be willing to bet what warming we may be seeing is more indicative of the destruction of millions of acres of rain forest and reducing the planets ability to convert CO2 to breathable oxygen than from production of CO2 by humans.

      Why are we allowing wood and other products to be shipped in, why not put an import ban on products from these activities the same way Blood Diamonds are banned.
      Yes, and I have brought this up a few times. We are literally cutting down our rain forests, and those,by their sheer size certainly affect the natural environment. After all they are huge O2 producing factories as well as extracting co2 from the atmosphere. They are very important to the ecology of this old earth. I believe those rainforests have a greater effect upon co2 levels than one would want to acknowledge, especially if you want to blame mankind for the emissions of co2.

      Of course since man is cutting down those rain forests he can be blamed for global warming if it is really happening. But not for carbon emissions, but for taking away the co2 removal factories that nature gave the earth.

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      • #48
        Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

        Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
        Yes, and I have brought this up a few times. We are literally cutting down our rain forests, and those,by their sheer size certainly affect the natural environment. After all they are huge O2 producing factories as well as extracting co2 from the atmosphere. They are very important to the ecology of this old earth. I believe those rainforests have a greater effect upon co2 levels than one would want to acknowledge, especially if you want to blame mankind for the emissions of co2.

        Of course since man is cutting down those rain forests he can be blamed for global warming if it is really happening. But not for carbon emissions, but for taking away the co2 removal factories that nature gave the earth.
        The rape of the rainforests have always bothered me. With so much desert in the world that is growing developing better ways to water it and bring back the vegetation would be so much better.

        Hell the Sahara is growing about 1/2 a kilometer in all directions ever year.

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        • #49
          Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

          Originally posted by Disillusioned_1 View Post
          tsquare, you realize what the article is saying is merely the very top right of this graph?
          Oh? What part of AGW explains the very right top of the graph?

          I mean, IF C02 causes temperature rise AND CO2 has continued since 1998, just exactly why have temperatures plateaued?

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          Originally posted by Jihad4Beer View Post
          You can see with your own eyes that glaciers are receding.

          Maybe you are confused as to why ice melts?
          Ice in Anarctica are growing faster than Arctic ice is melting. Maybe you confused why ice grows?

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          • #50
            Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

            Originally posted by RDK View Post
            A small minority with lesser credentials and standing in the scientific community than are supporting the theory.
            Thereby proving beyond ANY doubt, the political and not scientific basis, for advancing the greatest hoax in the history of man-kind.

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            • #51
              Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

              Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
              See in there lies the rub... or maybe lies the lie.

              The scientists who support global warming/AGC start with a theory and only accept the facts and observations that support that theory rather than observe and record the facts then create a theory.
              I didn't say you were lying.

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              • #52
                Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
                My point is that from all the evidence and facts I have read over the decades over global warming is that it seems that the scientists that put forward the global warming start with the theory that man is causing this and only accept facts that support that theory.
                I understood your point.

                I DO REALIZE that you are supposed to start with a hypothesis and observe what is happening and then present a theory afterwards. ALSO just because the current theory says X does not mean new variables and new facts won't change the outcome and the theory will then have to be changed. There is a difference between a theory and an axiom. Global warming is still ONLY a theory not an axiom.
                I didn't mean to insult you. I agree these are only theories requiring further testing.

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                • #53
                  Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                  Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                  Yes, and I have brought this up a few times. We are literally cutting down our rain forests, and those,by their sheer size certainly affect the natural environment. After all they are huge O2 producing factories as well as extracting co2 from the atmosphere. They are very important to the ecology of this old earth. I believe those rainforests have a greater effect upon co2 levels than one would want to acknowledge, especially if you want to blame mankind for the emissions of co2.

                  Of course since man is cutting down those rain forests he can be blamed for global warming if it is really happening. But not for carbon emissions, but for taking away the co2 removal factories that nature gave the earth.
                  Personally, I think the rain forests are very important if we are looking at the big picture.

                  We have been here for a very short time. Thomas Hobbes described the natural state of mankind, "And the life of man, solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short." Have we really changed so much? One of the reasons we are still here is our ability to adapt our environment, it's a double edged sword, it cuts both ways.

                  http://home.wlu.edu/~kahnj/ECON%2038...n_McDonald.pdf
                  Last edited by Quinn; 05-23-2013, 05:22 AM.

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                  • #54
                    Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                    Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
                    ....

                    Not only are there people like me who have an education but there are scientists with letters after their name like PHD that have questioned the status quo. Your broad brush just shows how entrenched you are in your position and how you cannot admit that a theory can be changed based on observation and new facts which there have been a bunch.

                    ......
                    Oh I admit that it can the theory can and will evolve as more data is gathered.

                    However the fact that the overwhelming majority of climate scientists believe it and that those who disagree are considered of lesser qualification and achievement does carry some weight with me.

                    This is a science agreement, why then is only the right who are on the side of big businesses then the majority of the climate change deniers?

                    It is the right that politicialized it. I'll agree that the left may have been predisposed to believe it at first but man made climate change is now the accepted environmental scientific theory no mater what they say on Fucks News.

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                    • #55
                      Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                      Originally posted by JohnLocke View Post
                      Oh? What part of AGW explains the very right top of the graph?

                      I mean, IF C02 causes temperature rise AND CO2 has continued since 1998, just exactly why have temperatures plateaued?
                      Evidence indicates that the extra heat is temporarily going into the oceans which have also been a carbon sink for much of our carbon output. However as oceans continue to warm they will become a less effective sink since CO2 dissolves more readily into cold water than warm water. The climate is a very complicated system since it depends on solar output, ice coverage, plant coverage, wind patterns, ocean temperatures, depths and currents, etc. However, as you already know the planet does go through warming and cooling cycles, so obviously at times some of these processes reinforce each other and at other times they offset each other.

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                      Originally posted by JohnLocke View Post
                      Oh? What part of AGW explains the very right top of the graph?

                      I mean, IF C02 causes temperature rise AND CO2 has continued since 1998, just exactly why have temperatures plateaued?
                      Evidence indicates that the extra heat is temporarily going into the oceans which have also been a carbon sink for much of our carbon output. However as oceans continue to warm they will become a less effective sink since CO2 dissolves more readily into cold water than warm water. The climate is a very complicated system since it depends on solar output, ice coverage, plant coverage, wind patterns, ocean temperatures, depths and currents, etc. However, as you already know the planet does go through warming and cooling cycles, so obviously at times some of these processes reinforce each other and at other times they offset each other.

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                      • #56
                        Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                        Originally posted by Quinn View Post
                        Personally, I think the rain forests are very important if we are looking at the big picture.

                        We have been here for a very short time. Thomas Hobbes described the natural state of mankind, "And the life of man, solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short." Have we really changed so much? One of the reasons we are still here is our ability to adapt our environment, it's a double edged sword, it cuts both ways.

                        http://home.wlu.edu/~kahnj/ECON%2038...n_McDonald.pdf
                        I think the fact is, we have not changed in the psychological realm and that governs, trumps, logic and reason.

                        We are just as selfish, envious, hate filled, acquisitive, violent, cruel, greedy, as our ancient ancestors. And these things greatly affect everything, from social interaction to the way a gov't composed of men operate. The current great partisan divide is nourished by the worst side of human nature. And these days, we even seem to worship and embrace the worst side of human nature. Makes you a "real man".

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                        • #57
                          Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                          Originally posted by RDK View Post
                          Oh I admit that it can the theory can and will evolve as more data is gathered.

                          However the fact that the overwhelming majority of climate scientists believe it and that those who disagree are considered of lesser qualification and achievement does carry some weight with me.

                          This is a science agreement, why then is only the right who are on the side of big businesses then the majority of the climate change deniers?

                          It is the right that politicialized it. I'll agree that the left may have been predisposed to believe it at first but man made climate change is now the accepted environmental scientific theory no mater what they say on Fucks News.
                          Do you know how many 100's of millions Al Gore has ALREADY made on carbon trading? Seems to me he has a monetary interest that global warming is real.

                          I guess you also forgot the reports over the last 3-5 years that some of the findings were falsified as well as ignored facts that did not support the politically vested interest of global warming being real. Most of your left side scientists have grants and political connections to worry about.

                          Personally from everything I have read I find that there is GREAT doubt that humans have the impact that is claimed.

                          Now if they said that 7billion humans are producing too much CO2 and methane from their breathing and passing of gas then I might believe them over claiming it is just industrialization.

                          The big thing that is suspect on the pro-warming side is WHY do other countries get a pass on being dirty while the industrialized nations have to cut back or sell carbon credits.

                          You don't see a money trail there do you? If not you might want to take off the blinders.

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                          • #58
                            Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                            Originally posted by tsquare View Post
                            And STILL we get stories on what's now called "Climate Change"




                            The payoff quote:

                            "The most extreme projections are looking less likely than before” -Dr Alexander Otto University of Oxford

                            And yet... it is still taught in schools... reported as still happening in much of the MSM and preached by loony far left celebratards. And worse still the bug-fucker in chief still wants a carbon tax.

                            When will the morons on the left finally admit that it was all a hoax?


                            BBC News - Climate slowdown means extreme rates of warming 'not as likely'
                            The best part is
                            Since 1998, there has been an unexplained "standstill" in the heating of the Earth's atmosphere.
                            Stupid atmosphere. Not heating up properly. Somebody better explain.

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                            • #59
                              Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                              Originally posted by JohnLocke View Post
                              Ice in Anarctica are growing faster than Arctic ice is melting.
                              No, it isn't.

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                              • #60
                                Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                                Originally posted by Disillusioned_1 View Post
                                Apparently you missed this part of what you quoted:

                                "But long-term, the expected temperature rises will not alter significantly."

                                In other words, this is a short-term plateauing of atmospheric warming. However, taken as a whole planetary warming can still happen since the oceans can hold far more heat than the atmosphere.
                                Apparently you missed a part as well.

                                Since 1998, there has been an unexplained "standstill" in the heating of the Earth's atmosphere.
                                If they can't even explain the current situation, what is the likelihood of them predicting things much further down the road? It's like if I failed a basic algebra course but then I told you that my answer for a quadratic equation was correct and you believed me.

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