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  • #61
    Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

    Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
    Do you know how many 100's of millions Al Gore has ALREADY made on carbon trading? Seems to me he has a monetary interest that global warming is real.

    I guess you also forgot the reports over the last 3-5 years that some of the findings were falsified as well as ignored facts that did not support the politically vested interest of global warming being real. Most of your left side scientists have grants and political connections to worry about.

    Personally from everything I have read I find that there is GREAT doubt that humans have the impact that is claimed.

    Now if they said that 7billion humans are producing too much CO2 and methane from their breathing and passing of gas then I might believe them over claiming it is just industrialization.

    The big thing that is suspect on the pro-warming side is WHY do other countries get a pass on being dirty while the industrialized nations have to cut back or sell carbon credits.

    You don't see a money trail there do you? If not you might want to take off the blinders.
    My life advice to everyone is to mirror Al Gore's investment strategy; this way, we'll all be too busy making 10s of millions to post here.

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    • #62
      Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

      Originally posted by Cleisthenes View Post
      No, it isn't.

      There you go again, trying to confuse the right with facts.

      If you don't stop that their pointy little heads just may implode.

      OTOH, keep it up there is amusement value in watching that.

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      • #63
        Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

        Originally posted by Cleisthenes View Post
        No, it isn't.

        Antarctic ice sheet melt 'not that unusual', latest ice core shows ? The Register

        Another major ice study recently came to similar conclusions regarding the likewise much-discussed Antarctic Peninsula: that recent melting there is not unprecedented, and indeed that various large bits of ice in that area - which today are still intact - probably broke off or melted at times in the pre-industrial past.
        Ice core shows Antarctic Peninsula warming is nothing unusual ? The Register

        Antarctic Sea Ice Sets Another Record - Forbes

        Steady Antarctic ice growth 'limits confidence in climate predictions' ? The Register

        The Antarctic's Ice Paradox | PBS NewsHour

        But at the opposite end of the world, in Antarctica, the picture isn't quite as clear. Satellite images from 2012 showed that Antarctic sea ice reached its highest levels extent on record, evidence skeptics often point to as proof that climate change isn't happening. And for years, the East Antarctic ice sheet, which covers the majority of the continent, appeared to be stable or perhaps even gaining mass.
        Most of the rest of the article is spin trying to pin the increased ice mass to global warming somehow.

        BTW if you think 7 years is a valid sample of ice change either arctic or antarctic you really are confusing your ass with your elbow.

        Sorry forgot this one FROM NASA.


        http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/fea...rctic-ice.html

        A new NASA study shows that from 1978 to 2010 the total extent of sea ice surrounding Antarctica in the Southern Ocean grew by roughly 6,600 square miles every year, an area larger than the state of Connecticut. And previous research by the same authors indicates that this rate of increase has recently accelerated, up from an average rate of almost 4,300 square miles per year from 1978 to 2006.

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        • #64
          Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

          While checking on Greenland I found this article.

          'Astonishing' 2012 Greenland Ice Melt Likely an Anomaly - US News and World Report

          "For global climate models, clouds are about the hardest thing to predict right now and they do have a big impact," he says. "They're a major uncertainty factor in our knowledge about climate change."
          Clouds are a major uncertainty? Does that mean they cannot accurately predict how cloud will affect warming and cooling? And some people say the science is settled?

          This one...


          say what?

          http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/03/2...gorithm-issue/

          The melt extent algorithm used by Greenland Ice Sheet Today has been overestimating the melt extent, and as a result, daily images posted on this site in February and March may have indicated melt where none occurred.
          I have noticed that RDK has been claiming the Right gets confused with facts. Seems that NASA still has math problems.

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          • #65
            Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

            None of which support your claim that the Antarctic is gaining ice faster than the Artic is loosing it. I quote the following from the NASA article you linked to:

            "There's been an overall increase in the sea ice cover in the Antarctic, which is the opposite of what is happening in the Arctic,” said lead author Claire Parkinson, a climate scientist with NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. "However, this growth rate is not nearly as large as the decrease in the Arctic.”
            NASA - Opposite Behaviors? Arctic Sea Ice Shrinks, Antarctic Grows

            BTW if you think 7 years is a valid sample of ice change either arctic or antarctic you really are confusing your ass with your elbow.
            If you have a better data sample for Antarctic ice mass, please feel free to share it.
            Last edited by Cleisthenes; 05-24-2013, 01:49 PM.

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            • #66
              Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

              We talking ice mass or ice coverage ? Warmer air causes more ice to melt, moistures spreads and cools = more ice coverage.
              Such an effect could cause a run away albedo effect that plunges us into an iceage...
              Climate change for sure, not much warming in the long run.

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              • #67
                Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
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                I have noticed that RDK has been claiming the Right gets confused with facts. Seems that NASA still has math problems.
                The difference is that NASA admitted an error. The right never dos and simply blames everything on a left wing conspiracy.

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                • #68
                  Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                  Huh, i thought Hillary was the one who blamed everything on a vast right wing conspiracy?

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                  • #69
                    Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                    Originally posted by Cleisthenes View Post
                    None of which support your claim that the Antarctic is gaining ice faster than the Artic is loosing it. I quote the following from the NASA article you linked to:



                    NASA - Opposite Behaviors? Arctic Sea Ice Shrinks, Antarctic Grows


                    If you have a better data sample for Antarctic ice mass, please feel free to share it.
                    Need to work on critical thinking and memory... unless you haven't seen my past posts with similar links.

                    Satellite sensor errors cause data outage | Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis

                    As some of our readers have already noticed, there was a significant problem with the daily sea ice data images on February 16. The problem arose from a malfunction of the satellite sensor we use for our daily sea ice products. Upon further investigation, we discovered that starting around early January, an error known as sensor drift caused a slowly growing underestimation of Arctic sea ice extent. The underestimation reached approximately 500,000 square kilometers (193,000 square miles) by mid-February. Sensor drift, although infrequent, does occasionally occur and it is one of the things that we account for during quality control measures prior to archiving the data. See below for more details.
                    So you combine record antarctic ice growth and less loss of arctic ice than originally thought and you could come up with my assertion.

                    Antarctic Ice: Growing So Fast That It Will One Day Cover Earth? - Investors.com

                    That was last week. And this is this week: Antarctic sea ice is on an upward slope. Real Science, a science website, says it "has been increasing at a rate of half a million square kilometers per year.

                    Thats a million kilometer swing in balance of ice. As I said earlier, I have posted many links over the years. I do remember one article talking about antarctic growing faster than arctic was losing it. It could have been for that year.

                    Either way, between panic attacks about Greenland and finding out that is not what they think and sensors not working. The facts of global warming are in question and to anyone with half a brain and a real education should be questioning the party line.

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                    • #70
                      Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                      Originally posted by RDK View Post
                      The difference is that NASA admitted an error. The right never dos and simply blames everything on a left wing conspiracy.

                      You mean like you liberals admitting that the science is not settled or that you made misstatements? I wont hold my breath because I know you RDK have never admitted your were wrong no matter how much you are shown to be such. You can find my posts in the past on this forum where I have admitted I was mistaken or completely wrong.

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                      • #71
                        Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                        Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
                        Need to work on critical thinking and memory... unless you haven't seen my past posts with similar links.

                        Satellite sensor errors cause data outage | Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis

                        So you combine record antarctic ice growth and less loss of arctic ice than originally thought and you could come up with my assertion.
                        Seriously? Two months of bad data trumps a seven year trend? You will need much more than two months of "sensor drift" before your assertion even comes close to being true.

                        Antarctic Ice: Growing So Fast That It Will One Day Cover Earth? - Investors.com

                        Thats a million kilometer swing in balance of ice. As I said earlier, I have posted many links over the years. I do remember one article talking about antarctic growing faster than arctic was losing it. It could have been for that year.

                        Either way, between panic attacks about Greenland and finding out that is not what they think and sensors not working. The facts of global warming are in question and to anyone with half a brain and a real education should be questioning the party line.
                        How do you expect to discern any long term trends if you're only going to look at two years worth of data? Compare the following charts and you can clearly see that while the Antarctic has been gaining on average half a million square kilometers per year, the Arctic has been loosing on average twice that.

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                        • #72
                          Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                          Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
                          You mean like you liberals admitting that the science is not settled or that you made misstatements? I wont hold my breath because I know you RDK have never admitted your were wrong no matter how much you are shown to be such. You can find my posts in the past on this forum where I have admitted I was mistaken or completely wrong.
                          Science is never "settled", it is always refining itself and improving on previous theories. Occasionally it even reverses itself, and when it does those responsible become famous. Galileo, Copernicus, Newton, and Einstein aren’t remembered for confirming the status quo. If there were even a chance that global warming wasn’t happening, climate scientists would be climbing all over each other to be the first to print with a paper proving it. While there will always be questions to answer about the mechanisms and rate of global warming, there is no serious question that it is happening or that humans are largely responsible.

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                          • #73
                            Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                            So, if the planet heats up a little and we put of the next ice age by a few years, is that a bad thing?

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                            • #74
                              Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                              Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                              So, if the planet heats up a little and we put of the next ice age by a few years, is that a bad thing?
                              I am both ways on the repercussions, on one side, yeah putting off the ice age is not necessarily a bad thing I guess... but altering the natural order of the earth cycles is an issue.

                              I am against knee jerk legislation that only serves to restrict and control people rather than really help the issue.

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                              • #75
                                Re: One... More... Time... No Global Warming!

                                Originally posted by Wlessard View Post
                                I am both ways on the repercussions, on one side, yeah putting off the ice age is not necessarily a bad thing I guess... but altering the natural order of the earth cycles is an issue.

                                I am against knee jerk legislation that only serves to restrict and control people rather than really help the issue.
                                Remind me again what the first step in fixing any problem is?

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