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Keystone pipeline - is the fix in?

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  • #61
    Re: Keystone pipeline - is the fix in?

    Originally posted by erikvv View Post
    TransCanada has been able to hide a report for 3 years detailing how an incident in 2009 involving a rather large fireball was caused by insufficient maintenance. They've released it now that the Keystone extension seems approved.

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    As Keystone Decision Looms, Buried Report Cites TransCanada's 'Inadequate' Pipeline Inspections | ThinkProgress
    Do you have a corroborating independent source?

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    • #62
      Re: Keystone pipeline - is the fix in?

      The CBC is the outlet which has been on this case and got TransCanada to release the report.

      Pipeline rupture report raises questions about TransCanada inspections - Canada - CBC News

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      • #63
        Re: Keystone pipeline - is the fix in?

        Industrial accidents happen. You can Google them up.

        This doesn't mean that this pipeline should not be built. Take an example from the trans Alaska pipeline.
        We found that JPO took action to close all but 4 of 4,920 previously identified deficiencies, and after completion of our audit fieldwork, JPO reported that 1of the remaining 4 items was closed. We also noted that JPO was developing a centralized data base to document its oversight activities, such as inspections conducted and deficiencies cited; JPO needs to take steps to ensure that information presented in its reports is accurate and supported; and JPO access to information from an Alyeska data base that identified TAPS maintenance records would aid in scheduling its monitoring of activities. Also, in July 1999, a private interest group made 44 allegations against JPO and Alyeska regarding the mismanagement of TAPS, which included electrical violations, materials that could not be traced to authorized suppliers, and improper inspector certifications. Based on our analyses of a matrix of these allegations prepared by JPO and a report prepared by Alyeska s consultant, we determined that the allegations were not supported, were already known, or were being addressed by JPO or Alyeska.
        Survey Report on Oversight Activities of the Trans-Alaska Pipeline System, Bureau of Land Management

        If the inspection regime is determined, or rather has been determined, as insufficient, I'm sure it'll be addressed. Same as identified shortcomings of the trans Alaska pipeline management were. The people operating these pipelines don't want to see spills either. It cuts into their profits and causes them great expense.

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        • #64
          Re: Keystone pipeline - is the fix in?

          I think we are getting off course here on the Keystone pipeline from a spill concern. If you are concerned about all the pipelines we have in this nation, that ship has sailed log ago. We have pipelines all over the US and adding one more does not change all that much statistically speaking.

          The conversation we should be having is US benefit from the Keystone pipeline addition / re-route. In this case there is little benefit to the US for the proposed changes to this line, all we are talking about is making life easier for TransCanada to supply pre-agreed contractual arrangements to ship the product to other nations. That is it, thanks to the EPA very little of this oil will end up in our gas tanks. This has very little to do with the world oil economy or with helping the US energy position.

          Keystone became a political talking point in hopes the ignorant would not look at what we are really talking about here. Some temporary jobs benefit, and that would be nice but that is about it to the US economy.

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          • #65
            Re: Keystone pipeline - is the fix in?

            Originally posted by erikvv View Post
            TransCanada has been able to hide a report for 3 years detailing how an incident in 2009 involving a rather large fireball was caused by insufficient maintenance. They've released it now that the Keystone extension seems approved.

            [ATTACH=CONFIG]15187[/ATTACH]

            As Keystone Decision Looms, Buried Report Cites TransCanada's 'Inadequate' Pipeline Inspections | ThinkProgress
            This was a natural gas pipeline. Has nothing to do with a crude oil pipeline.

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            • #66
              Re: Keystone pipeline - is the fix in?

              Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
              I think we are getting off course here on the Keystone pipeline from a spill concern. If you are concerned about all the pipelines we have in this nation, that ship has sailed log ago. We have pipelines all over the US and adding one more does not change all that much statistically speaking.

              The conversation we should be having is US benefit from the Keystone pipeline addition / re-route. In this case there is little benefit to the US for the proposed changes to this line, all we are talking about is making life easier for TransCanada to supply pre-agreed contractual arrangements to ship the product to other nations. That is it, thanks to the EPA very little of this oil will end up in our gas tanks. This has very little to do with the world oil economy or with helping the US energy position.

              Keystone became a political talking point in hopes the ignorant would not look at what we are really talking about here. Some temporary jobs benefit, and that would be nice but that is about it to the US economy.

              . . . .
              Temporary jobs benefit and that's about it. That definitely looks like opportunity missed to me, with all this delay that Obama caused.

              In addition, this is exactly consistent with this administration's position on petroleum fuel all along.

              Which is the frame of reference for Obama and his administration delaying this pipeline, and re-routing the refined petroleum to other countries besides our own.

              One has to ask, does Obama want to bleed the lower and middle classes dry of money? And this is just one more vehicle to do so?

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              • #67
                Re: Keystone pipeline - is the fix in?

                Originally posted by erikvv View Post
                The CBC is the outlet which has been on this case and got TransCanada to release the report.

                Pipeline rupture report raises questions about TransCanada inspections - Canada - CBC News
                It was the government's report... and the government's fault not releasing it (from your link)

                Asked in the House of Commons Tuesday why the report remained hidden for five years, Energy Minister Joe Oliver said he was "troubled" by the NEB's failure to release it.

                "It's the obligation of the National Energy Board to do just that. There was an error on their part. We were not aware of it," Oliver said.

                Oliver said the government has implemented new pipeline safety measures such as increased inspections, audits and fines.
                Now... using the 'standard' that you set... the Canadian government should not be allowed to be a government anymore... they screwed up this report... we should not allow them to do anything else.

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                • #68
                  Re: Keystone pipeline - is the fix in?

                  Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                  Are you kidding me?
                  Those telephone poles are pretty big and the fireball dwarfs them. It's not just the fireball but the radius of the fatal heat blast would be huge.

                  There's a reason they tried to cover it up for 3 years and it's not because they thought it was insignificant.
                  Burnoffs are routine.

                  Ever seen a burnoff from an oil well? Here's an example http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/27/bu...anted=all&_r=0

                  The reason they considered it insignificant....because it is. Thousands of flares a DAY are just part of the oil drilling process around the world.

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                  • #69
                    Re: Keystone pipeline - is the fix in?

                    . . . and Obama will wait, until the Nebraska route and legal issues are resolved, since he is the usual sort of vacillating POTUS, which is totally hypocritical.

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                    • #70
                      Re: Keystone pipeline - is the fix in?

                      If this pipeline does not benefit our energy needs, has little economic impact for us, and is simply a way for Canada to get their crude to their markets, why is it such a big deal? Seems rather unimportant to me, if I had the job of looking out for the best interests of all in America.

                      So, since this is not oil to be used by us, and will not benefit the American people except in a very small way, almost insignificant. WHO is benefitting here in America? For someone is making money from this pipeline, over the long haul, not just a temporary burst of profits.

                      My guess is that this pipeline will profit an elite or a group of them, or this wouldn't even be an issue the republicans would be fighting the dems over. And if that is the case, to hell with em. Don't take risks with our aquifier, our natural resource that is essential to life itself, so that a few might get richer. We have had the profits of the few running this show for too long.

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                      • #71
                        Re: Keystone pipeline - is the fix in?

                        It's fun to watch the unions go after Obama for dragging his feet on this.

                        No man can serve two masters...

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                        • #72
                          Re: Keystone pipeline - is the fix in?

                          Originally posted by Commodore View Post
                          It's fun to watch the unions go after Obama for dragging his feet on this.

                          No man can serve two masters...
                          What, the pipe fitters union? You mean we still have one? I am surprised. I thought we only had public sector unions, and the auto union, that have any clout.

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