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  • The twisted logic of the environmental movement

    You have to have to hand it to the environmental movement. Their always identifying questionable problems, and coming up with terrible solutions to problems that may or may not exist. But mostly they just mindlessly attack the status quo without a clue as to why may have been set up that way in the first place. And where there are genuine issues, they generally stand in the way of genuine solutions.

    Case in point....

    Open source DIY bug farm aims to make growing edible insects at home as easy as growing sprouts


    Rockwell Bug.jpg
    Dibs on the thorax!

    If you eat animal products, it may be better for the environment, and for your health, to choose meat from grass-fed and free-range animals than to partake of industrial meat that comes from concentrated animal feeding operations (CAFO), but it still takes a huge amount of water and feed to produce a single pound of protein from even the most productive ranching operation.

    Insects, on the other hand, are nearly four times as efficient on average when it comes to converting feed into meat, and require just a fraction of the space and water. Getting the most amount of food from the smallest amount of space and the least amount of inputs is the future of sustainable food, so it stands to reason that edible insects ought to be high on our list of DIY food production. However, even though people in some countries have a strong tradition of eating these little wigglies, you'd be hard-pressed to find people eating bugs, much less growing their own, in many western countries.

    What's that, you say? Insects are for squishing and spraying, not for eating? Perhaps it's time to rethink what we consider to be food.
    To be sure, there is a genuine issue presented here, modern industrial agriculture requires a ridiculous amount of misallocated resources, for lower quality food. But people demand that agriculture be done elsewhere, and want shelf life, and pay a price for both. Even if we had and overabundance of resources, that's no reason to waste them when there is a better way available.

    Eating bugs is not the better way. Just because starving Africans eat bugs doesn't mean everyone should. Which marketing dropout came up with the idea to go straight from California drought to "Hey everybody, lets all eat bugs!"? Do you really think people are going to take you seriously?

    Having said that, this idea is not irredeemable. You just have to take to heart one essential fact:

    Bugs are not food. Bugs are what food eats.

    Which is good, cause we like food.

    That change may be about to happen, once the Open Bug Farm gets launched and shipped, as it promises to make DIY edible insect farming easy and affordable.

    The Open Bug Farm, which is in the works from Tiny Farms, is claimed to be the world's first open source bug farm kit, and could be suitable for everything from a kitchen hobby farm to a classroom to a commercial enterprise. The kit will include everything needed to begin growing edible insects for food, fun, or profit, and once you've started farming bugs at home, will probably be the most talked about thing at your next dinner party.

    "The kit will be be suitable for education, research and commercial exploration. Our goal is to allow anyone to produce enough bugs to experiment with entomophagy, while developing technologies and practices to bring high volume production within reach.

    And with the power of Open Source, the blueprints will be available for anyone in the world to use - and continually improved by our community of farmers." - Open Bug Farm
    With such a setup, anyone with organic waste, which most environmentalists are caulked full of by the way, but none of us are immune, can break down said waste, raise a, whatever you call a group of bugs, to provide high protein feed to your poultry and the carnivorous fish in your aquaponic tanks. It's called verminculture, it's been around forever, and it's good to see advances and attention being brought to the practice, but if they want anyone to take them seriously, for the love of creamed corn, drop the eating bugs nonsense.
    Last edited by Commodore; 02-16-2014, 09:22 PM.

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    Re: The twisted logic of the environmental movement

    I am not going to try eating insects unless I am starving and have no choice. Sorry, just can't rap my head around any insect consumption.

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      Re: The twisted logic of the environmental movement

      Pier 1 Imports used to sell chocolate covered ants and chocolate covered bees.

      I tried each of those when I was a teen ... nothing notable in the experience except the chocoloate was not the best available so had a lousy taste. I remember the insects being crunchy ... rather like eating a Nestles Crunch bar...

      I'm with the Commandant: Not going to eat bugs unless I'm starving and have no choice...

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        Re: The twisted logic of the environmental movement

        Aw come on now! A little bug juice never hurt anyone. Anyways, if you grow your own food you can't help but eat one every now and then mixed in with the peas or beans. Especially if you don't have your reading glasses on when you wash and clean the veggies. I once pulled a worm, cooked, out of my turnip greens years ago. No telling how many I ate in a lifetime.

        I would imagine before this world ends, we all will be eating bugs and will be thankful to get em. You guys have been spoiled by living a very easy life, while humanity historically has never had it this good. History repeats. Set your watch by it.

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          SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE, man...

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            Re: The twisted logic of the environmental movement

            Originally posted by Good1 View Post


            SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE, man...
            Eat Soylent Green long enough and turn into a Zombie, and that's how the Zombie apocalypse is gonna start.

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              Re: The twisted logic of the environmental movement

              Originally posted by Commodore View Post
              You have to have to hand it to the environmental movement. Their always identifying questionable problems, and coming up with terrible solutions to problems that may or may not exist. But mostly they just mindlessly attack the status quo without a clue as to why may have been set up that way in the first place. And where there are genuine issues, they generally stand in the way of genuine solutions.

              Case in point....

              Open source DIY bug farm aims to make growing edible insects at home as easy as growing sprouts


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              Dibs on the thorax!



              To be sure, there is a genuine issue presented here, modern industrial agriculture requires a ridiculous amount of misallocated resources, for lower quality food. But people demand that agriculture be done elsewhere, and want shelf life, and pay a price for both. Even if we had and overabundance of resources, that's no reason to waste them when there is a better way available.

              Eating bugs is not the better way. Just because starving Africans eat bugs doesn't mean everyone should. Which marketing dropout came up with the idea to go straight from California drought to "Hey everybody, lets all eat bugs!"? Do you really think people are going to take you seriously?

              Having said that, this idea is not irredeemable. You just have to take to heart one essential fact:

              Bugs are not food. Bugs are what food eats.

              Which is good, cause we like food.



              With such a setup, anyone with organic waste, which most environmentalists are caulked full of by the way, but none of us are immune, can break down said waste, raise a, whatever you call a group of bugs, to provide high protein feed to your poultry and the carnivorous fish in your aquaponic tanks. It's called verminculture, it's been around forever, and it's good to see advances and attention being brought to the practice, but if they want anyone to take them seriously, for the love of creamed corn, drop the eating bugs nonsense.
              Commodore I have one thing to say, to leave you to consider. What was it that john the baptist consumed for his diet? Was it locusts and honey?
              Tell me commodore what are locusts? Are they insects? Insects that God told someone was food? Do you know better than your God?
              No? Then shut up and eat your cockroaches.

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                Re: The twisted logic of the environmental movement

                Originally posted by reality View Post
                Commodore I have one thing to say, to leave you to consider. What was it that john the baptist consumed for his diet? Was it locusts and honey?
                Tell me commodore what are locusts? Are they insects? Insects that God told someone was food? Do you know better than your God?
                No? Then shut up and eat your cockroaches.
                And here is a thought for you... how is the paranoid tyrant that drove John the Baptist into the wilderness any different than the paranoid want to be tyrants at the UN that are suggesting we eat bugs today?

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                  Re: The twisted logic of the environmental movement

                  Originally posted by Commodore View Post
                  You have to have to hand it to the environmental movement. Their always identifying questionable problems, and coming up with terrible solutions to problems that may or may not exist.
                  What I think is that our environmentalism often gets hijacked by political ideologues.

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                    Re: The twisted logic of the environmental movement

                    I somehow have less issues with the crunchy ones than with the worms.

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                      Re: The twisted logic of the environmental movement

                      Originally posted by Commodore View Post
                      And here is a thought for you... how is the paranoid tyrant that drove John the Baptist into the wilderness any different than the paranoid want to be tyrants at the UN that are suggesting we eat bugs today?
                      Well 2 billion are already doing it... Thats one third of the planet...

                      Inspects are still healthier than a Big Mac....

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                        Re: The twisted logic of the environmental movement

                        I had fried rice with rice bugs when I was in Thailand. I'll have to admit, I didn't know what was in it until after I ate it. It was OK.

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                          Coming under the topic of "The twisted logic of the environmental movement", here we have another stellar example of how foolish and misplaced the priorities really are.

                          Part of the California drought is nature's cycles, and part of it is man made.

                          Drought: California's man-made disaster to save a bait-fish from extinction

                          Since CA hasn't built a new reservoir for 30 years, and has packed in the people, what would you expect in what nature would have left as a desert?
                          The vast 4-million-acre farming belt along the west side of the Central Valley is slowly drying up. Unlike valley agriculture to the east, which still has a viable aquifer, these huge farms depend entirely on surface water deliveries from the distant and usually wet northern part of the state. So if the drought continues, billions of dollars of Westside orchards and vineyards will die, row cropland will lay fallow, and farm-supported small towns will likewise dry up.
                          . . .
                          Californians have not built a major reservoir since the New Melones Dam more than 30 years ago. As the state subsequently added almost 20 million people, it assumed that it was exempt from creating any more “unnatural” Sierra lakes and canals to store precious water during California’s rarer wet and snow-filled years.

                          Then, short-sightedness soon became conceit. Green utopians went further and demanded that an ailing three-inch bait fish in the San Francisco delta receive more fresh oxygenated water. In the last five years, they have successfully gone to court to force millions of acre-feet of contracted irrigation water to be diverted from farms to flow freely out to sea.
                          California’s Two Droughts

                          So the water demand is there, and has increased. But what have the ecomentalists forced through the courts?

                          Brilliant priorities from these people. I'm surprised that anyone listens to them. Are these people really SANE????

                          4 million acres of the most productive farmland in the world goes fallow due to lack of water, food prices increase for the nation, more food imports from countries that don't have fixations about saving an inconsequential 3" fish, we as a nation will all be poorer and worse off for it.

                          Interject into this the most dishonest president and his most dishonest administration in the history of the US, and he comes to blame it on global climate change.

                          Obama: CA Central Valley drought due to climate change

                          Obama draws link between climate change, California drought

                          Which is on his ideologically driven agenda. Yup. The most transparent administration in history, but not in any sort of good way.
                          Last edited by eohrnberger; 02-18-2014, 06:39 AM.

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                            Re: The twisted logic of the environmental movement

                            Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                            I had fried rice with rice bugs when I was in Thailand. I'll have to admit, I didn't know what was in it until after I ate it. It was OK.
                            As I said earlier, or perhaps I didn't....everyone who lived on a farm and grew their own food ate their share of bugs. It was ok as long as you didn't know you were eating them. LOL. I remember seeing weevils in my grits once and my mom told me it was something else(she had bad eye sight) and I ate em!

                            Man has eaten certain bugs for perhaps a million years. So, must not be that bad. For me it would involve much culture shock though, to do it on purpose. But if we get hungry enough we will even eat one another. So bugs ain't so bad if you are really hungry.

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                              Re: The twisted logic of the environmental movement

                              Originally posted by Commodore View Post
                              And here is a thought for you... how is the paranoid tyrant that drove John the Baptist into the wilderness any different than the paranoid want to be tyrants at the UN that are suggesting we eat bugs today?
                              If bugs were good enough for John the Baptist they're good enough for you.

                              Let ethiopia et al eat bugs. I will stick with cow.

                              Also: tyrants and the term "suggesting" don't fit together. Tyrants don't say "o hey maybe try this if you feel like it but we won't force you".. Tyrants do things like end liberty of contract by fiat. and restrict people's liberty out of wanting to "help" them or control them.

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