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  • Scientist revive 1500 year old moss.

    Scientists have been able to revive moss in antarctica that has been frozen for about 1500 years.
    I http://m.bbc.com/news/science-environment-26614092 n a warmer wtter world moss could be a signifigant carbon sink:

    Uh, wait a minute... a warmer wetter world? So how exactly did this moss get there to be frozen 1500 years ago if it wasn't warmer and wetter? What were the Vandals, Byzantines, and Goths doing to change the environemnt from a warmer wetter world to the cold one we are supposedly thawing out of because of all our carbon spewing. Something doesn't smell right to me and pokes some serious holes in AGW.

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    Re: Scientist revive 1500 year old moss.

    Must have been all those sport utility chariots...

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      Wow, going from a story about moss right into a rant about climate change.

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        Re: Scientist revive 1500 year old moss.

        Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
        Wow, going from a story about moss right into a rant about climate change.
        The story "about moss" addresses climate change. How can you not see that? How was the moss growing to have a large enough mass for released carbon to be of concern if it thaws out after freezing about 1500 years ago if it wasn't warmer then?

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          Re: Scientist revive 1500 year old moss.

          What this points to is what we already know. The Earth has been through much warmer and much colder climates over its long history. Long before we were driving around in cars, burning coal for energy, etc.

          Being able to revive 1500 year old moss will have some benefit at understanding carbon holding at the time that is about the only benefit. We still have other methods to find carbon levels from things much much older that still tell us plenty about the climate long before man blamed man for causing it all making Al Gore a fortune.

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            Re: Scientist revive 1500 year old moss.

            Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
            What this points to is what we already know. The Earth has been through much warmer and much colder climates over its long history. Long before we were driving around in cars, burning coal for energy, etc.

            Being able to revive 1500 year old moss will have some benefit at understanding carbon holding at the time that is about the only benefit. We still have other methods to find carbon levels from things much much older that still tell us plenty about the climate long before man blamed man for causing it all making Al Gore a fortune.
            Still doesn't solve the wealth distribution problem.

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              Re: Scientist revive 1500 year old moss.

              Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
              Still doesn't solve the wealth distribution problem.
              Nothing will solve that, it is today's liberal answer to most problems. Ironically, it has solved none of those problems.

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                Re: Scientist revive 1500 year old moss.

                Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
                Nothing will solve that, it is today's liberal answer to most problems. Ironically, it has solved none of those problems.
                It isn't a problem that any government interaction can solve.

                Its a market fundamental, in that those that provide more value receive more compensation. Only if government forcibly destroys the market will government be able to change this market fundamental. The end result will be a failed economy, much like Communist Russia experienced.

                Any claims that this isn't the reality are delusional, and not founded in reality.

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                  Re: Scientist revive 1500 year old moss.

                  Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                  Still doesn't solve the wealth distribution problem.
                  That age old problem is caused by the nature of the human psyche, which is what so many religions tried to change, but always came up short. It will only be solved when the brain is awakened in enough people which will solve the age old problem of a few having useless large piles of gold as others starve to death. When the human brain is no longer governed by those things that created this world in the first place.

                  For if you put a system in place that COULD end this age old problem, that system, as all systems, will be corrupted by man. The system does not change what man is, as marx thought, but what man is will inevitably corrupt the system, and nothing changes. The same old shit will continue as it has always done.

                  But to the topic, if this moss grew 1500 years ago, would that not mean that the climate there was warmer at that time? And, when it cooled down again, this moss was covered with snow, buried for 1500 years?

                  Also one would think that the climate was doing some fast changes because it is thought that the end of some of the Mesoamerican civilizations was due to drought, and one that lasted long enough to put an end to a civilization. Whether or not this was due to climate change or just weather variation, I cannot say.

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                    Re: Scientist revive 1500 year old moss.

                    Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
                    Nothing will solve that, it is today's liberal answer to most problems. Ironically, it has solved none of those problems.
                    Well, it has helped, for if we didn't have social safety nets today, as was the fact in the great depression, the suffering would be indeed suffering today. So the fact of these nets keeping people from going hungry is a problem that has been in large part, solved. That old people are better off today, because of SS and Medicare, addressed a problem and it has helped out a great deal.

                    So, you may believe that the problem we had during the great depression, of people going hungry, of tent cities dotting the landscape, has not been helped by liberal policy, but I don't see how you could believe it.

                    If humanity is to continue on, for another 6000 years if civilization, the economic paradigm will have to change. And that change will be one that will see no rich elites sitting on a pile of gold they use other humans so as to make it even larger, but a world which has no rich elite class at all. Unless some event culls population down to ancient levels. For this path we are on, is not substainable for another 6000 years.

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                      Re: Scientist revive 1500 year old moss.

                      Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                      Scientists have been able to revive moss in antarctica that has been frozen for about 1500 years.
                      I http://m.bbc.com/news/science-environment-26614092 n a warmer wtter world moss could be a signifigant carbon sink:

                      Uh, wait a minute... a warmer wetter world? So how exactly did this moss get there to be frozen 1500 years ago if it wasn't warmer and wetter? What were the Vandals, Byzantines, and Goths doing to change the environemnt from a warmer wetter world to the cold one we are supposedly thawing out of because of all our carbon spewing. Something doesn't smell right to me and pokes some serious holes in AGW.
                      Wind... The Arctic has a hurricane regularly...

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_vortex

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                        Re: Scientist revive 1500 year old moss.

                        Imagine. Being successfully revived after 1,500 years of being frozen. Who says that life on this planet isn't resilient?

                        So much so that it's likely to survive even global climate change, eh?

                        Still this is little more than a tempest in a tea pot.

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                          Re: Scientist revive 1500 year old moss.

                          Originally posted by eohrnberger View Post
                          Imagine. Being successfully revived after 1,500 years of being frozen. Who says that life on this planet isn't resilient?

                          So much so that it's likely to survive even global climate change, eh?

                          Still this is little more than a tempest in a tea pot.
                          Life has almost became extinct several times in the history of this planet. So, yes, life, some life, is afforded a niche in which they can survive, but then we have lost most of all life several times. And unless some god is involved, man will become extinct at some point in time, while other life forms will survive and evolve. The only question is, what will cause humanity to die out? Doubtful if climate change will be an extinction event.

                          Yet civilizations in the past have collapsed, due to drought and the Mayans are perhaps one example.

                          If climate change is occurring, due to man, and the earth warms up, to me that means we will have new areas in which to grow food for humanity. Perhaps this is the earth's way to bring her botanical life back up that has been destroyed by man treating the earth as his personal whore, to be used for his own pleasure.

                          I liked what the late George Carlin said about "save the earth day". He said we should be worried about ourselves instead of the earth. For if we do not treat her right, she will shake us off like a dog shaking off water after a bath. And I believe old George was right.

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                            Re: Scientist revive 1500 year old moss.

                            Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                            Life has almost became extinct several times in the history of this planet. So, yes, life, some life, is afforded a niche in which they can survive, but then we have lost most of all life several times. And unless some god is involved, man will become extinct at some point in time, while other life forms will survive and evolve. The only question is, what will cause humanity to die out? Doubtful if climate change will be an extinction event.
                            My bet is on an asteroid similar to what caused the dinosaurs to become extinct. Caused the collapse of the food chain, and we aren't immune to the effects of that.

                            Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                            Yet civilizations in the past have collapsed, due to drought and the Mayans are perhaps one example.

                            If climate change is occurring, due to man, and the earth warms up, to me that means we will have new areas in which to grow food for humanity. Perhaps this is the earth's way to bring her botanical life back up that has been destroyed by man treating the earth as his personal whore, to be used for his own pleasure.
                            No, I don't think it's human caused. I think it's part of the Earth's normal cycle that we've not experienced and recorded yet. No need to freak out about it, at least not just yet.

                            Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                            I liked what the late George Carlin said about "save the earth day". He said we should be worried about ourselves instead of the earth. For if we do not treat her right, she will shake us off like a dog shaking off water after a bath. And I believe old George was right.

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                              Re: Scientist revive 1500 year old moss.

                              Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                              Well, it has helped, for if we didn't have social safety nets today, as was the fact in the great depression, the suffering would be indeed suffering today. So the fact of these nets keeping people from going hungry is a problem that has been in large part, solved. That old people are better off today, because of SS and Medicare, addressed a problem and it has helped out a great deal.

                              So, you may believe that the problem we had during the great depression, of people going hungry, of tent cities dotting the landscape, has not been helped by liberal policy, but I don't see how you could believe it.

                              If humanity is to continue on, for another 6000 years if civilization, the economic paradigm will have to change. And that change will be one that will see no rich elites sitting on a pile of gold they use other humans so as to make it even larger, but a world which has no rich elite class at all. Unless some event culls population down to ancient levels. For this path we are on, is not substainable for another 6000 years.
                              Those problems of the great depression resulted in innovation and a lot of hard work. Those people were forced to work themselves out of the problems they had and became stronger for it. Today, those same people are trapped in these safety nets and they simply remain there all of their lives and they continue to produce future generations who are no better than they were.

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