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  • Australia Leads The Way!

    At least in part a reaction to the now thoroughly debunked myth of Global Warming, Australia moves to cut their carbon tax:

    Prime Minister Tony Abbott reintroduced legislation to the Australian Parliament on Monday that would repeal a carbon tax that the nation's worst greenhouse gas polluters have to pay.

    The opposition center-left Labor Party and minor Greens party used their Senate majority in March to block the bills that would remove the 24.15 Australian dollar ($22.79) tax per metric ton of carbon dioxide that was introduced by a Labor government in July 2012. The bills were defeated 33 votes to 29.

    But with new senators to take their seats on July 7 for the first time since Abbott's conservative coalition government took power in an election in September, the bills are expected to be passed by a narrow margin. Coal mining magnate and carbon tax critic Clive Palmer leads four new senators who have promised their allegiance to his influential Palmer United Party.

    While introducing the bills to the House of Representatives where the government holds a clear majority, Abbott said on Monday that voters had rejected the tax by electing his government.

    "The people have spoken and now it's up to this Parliament to show that it's listening," Abbott said.
    Those of you here from Australia should be proud of Abbott's actions.

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...06-23-01-12-16

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    Re: Australia Leads The Way!

    I suspect there is more to the story, there usually is...

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      Re: Australia Leads The Way!

      Originally posted by tsquare View Post
      At least in part a reaction to the now thoroughly debunked myth of Global Warming, Australia moves to cut their carbon tax:



      Those of you here from Australia should be proud of Abbott's actions.

      http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...06-23-01-12-16

      Yeah; global warming thouroughly debunked:

      Found under the science section:

      http://environment.nationalgeographi...ng/gw-overview

      Now, humans have increased the amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere by more than a third since the industrial revolution. Changes this large have historically taken thousands of years, but are now happening over the course of decades.

      The rapid rise in greenhouse gases is a problem because it is changing the climate faster than some living things may be able to adapt. Also, a new and more unpredictable climate poses unique challenges to all life.


      Now, with concentrations of greenhouse gases rising, Earth's remaining ice sheets (such as Greenland and Antarctica) are starting to melt too. The extra water could potentially raise sea levels significantly.

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        Re: Australia Leads The Way!

        Originally posted by tsquare View Post
        At least in part a reaction to the now thoroughly debunked myth of Global Warming, Australia moves to cut their carbon tax:



        Those of you here from Australia should be proud of Abbott's actions.

        http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...06-23-01-12-16
        Yeah; the US Supreme Court doesn't believe your phony science either:

        http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/24/us...ases.html?_r=0

        The Supreme Court on Monday handed President Obama’s Environmental Protection Agency a victory in its efforts to regulate greenhouse gas emissions from stationary sources like power plants, even as it criticized what it called the agency’s overreaching.
        Australia is one of the world's leading polluters, so it only figures that industry would buy the legislation.

        Keep believing crap all ou want. The rest of the world will continue to ignore you.

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          Re: Australia Leads The Way!

          Originally posted by Sluggo View Post
          I suspect there is more to the story, there usually is...
          There is. I'm an environmentalist, and vote Green, but I vehemently opposed this Carbon Tax that was imposed on us, despite the then-PM saying during the election campaign that she would never impose a carbon tax,. As soon as she was re-elected, her first piece of legislation was the Carbon Tax. The tax incidental does nothing to help the environment; all it has done is see Australia's electricity prices sky rocket. Abbott is proposing to replace it with a different emissions reduction scheme, but the details of which have been pretty light so far.

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            Re: Australia Leads The Way!

            Originally posted by noahath View Post
            There is. I'm an environmentalist, and vote Green, but I vehemently opposed this Carbon Tax that was imposed on us, despite the then-PM saying during the election campaign that she would never impose a carbon tax,. As soon as she was re-elected, her first piece of legislation was the Carbon Tax. The tax incidental does nothing to help the environment; all it has done is see Australia's electricity prices sky rocket. Abbott is proposing to replace it with a different emissions reduction scheme, but the details of which have been pretty light so far.
            Nice to see that someone recognizes that raising the price of electricity only impairs peoples ability to upgrade to a more technologically advanced energy system.

            The environmental movement needs to realize that they will never achieve their objectives by scaremongering and turning the polar bears into an exploited minority in need of saving. Polar Bears don't vote. This is a technology problem, and only by advancing new technologies that are more economically viable than what exists will existing systems be phased out. That can't be forced, because an immature systems will always cost more, despite efforts to mask it with government subsidies or taxes. But considering that most environmentalists hate and fight against market forces, the entire movement shoots itself in the foot.

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              Originally posted by noahath View Post
              There is. I'm an environmentalist, and vote Green, but I vehemently opposed this Carbon Tax that was imposed on us, despite the then-PM saying during the election campaign that she would never impose a carbon tax,. As soon as she was re-elected, her first piece of legislation was the Carbon Tax. The tax incidental does nothing to help the environment; all it has done is see Australia's electricity prices sky rocket. Abbott is proposing to replace it with a different emissions reduction scheme, but the details of which have been pretty light so far.
              Thank you, I had a feeling it was not quite as simple as the OP suggested.

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                Re: Australia Leads The Way!

                Originally posted by noahath View Post
                There is. I'm an environmentalist, and vote Green, but I vehemently opposed this Carbon Tax that was imposed on us, despite the then-PM saying during the election campaign that she would never impose a carbon tax,. As soon as she was re-elected, her first piece of legislation was the Carbon Tax. The tax incidental does nothing to help the environment; all it has done is see Australia's electricity prices sky rocket. Abbott is proposing to replace it with a different emissions reduction scheme, but the details of which have been pretty light so far.
                I think the theory was that there would be more consumption / less use, if the cost was higher for those who use it, i.e you etc.

                In that realm, it definitely makes sense, as to what it is proposing.

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                  Re: Australia Leads The Way!

                  Update:

                  http://news.yahoo.com/blow-australia...062809584.html

                  BTW, I must have been sleeping. I completely missed the GW being debunked thing. I did see some pseudo science and miscellaneous propaganda from conservative talk radio and FOX but nothing that I could possibly interpret as being proof that the global warming was anything other than anthropomorphic.

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                    Re: Australia Leads The Way!

                    Going... going... gone.

                    Australia on Thursday became the first country in the world to abolish a price on carbon, with the Senate passing the government’s repeal bills 39 votes to 32. After two weeks of negotiations, and several false starts, the Abbott government achieved its long-held ambition to axe the tax, to applause from government senators.
                    Speaking after the vote in the Senate, Mr Abbott rejoiced at the passage of the repeal bills, declaring "today the Parliament finally listened. Today the tax that you voted to get rid of is finally gone."
                    Mr Abbott said he did not accept that with the carbon price now abolished, and legislation needed for Direct Action yet to pass the Senate, his government was leaving Australia without a mechanism to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.


                    Molten Salt Thorium Reactors for the win...

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                      Re: Australia Leads The Way!

                      Originally posted by zip98053 View Post
                      Update:

                      http://news.yahoo.com/blow-australia...062809584.html

                      BTW, I must have been sleeping. I completely missed the GW being debunked thing. I did see some pseudo science and miscellaneous propaganda from conservative talk radio and FOX but nothing that I could possibly interpret as being proof that the global warming was anything other than anthropomorphic.
                      You mean other than the earth not warming over the last 17 years, right?

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                        Re: Australia Leads The Way!

                        Way to go Australia!

                        We'll need to do a lot of this repealing of failed liberal policies, come January 2017.

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                          Re: Australia Leads The Way!

                          The rapid rise in greenhouse gases is a problem because it is changing the climate faster than some living things may be able to adapt. Also, a new and more unpredictable climate poses unique challenges to all life.
                          Statements like this bother me. "May be able to adapt" will be read by millions as, "will not be able to adapt". And if you are a fervent alarmist, you will see "may" as "will".

                          Life is very tenacious, and IMO even if you changed overnight to the maximum warming, it still would not match what asteroids did to life, and huge volcanic activity, and I doubt it would by itself present a large extermination.

                          If evolution is true, with the extinction of some life, and with the environmental changes, we should see evolution working, with new species arising. For they have to start somewhere , right? We should have seen some starting already, and should see some beginning IF the climate even comes close to what those computer models project.

                          The manner in which a small group of people want to address this would hurt billions of people economically, make a few even wealthier, and would yank the hangman's noose tighter around business. And as this was done, china, who is making what the world consumes wouldn't do the same. So what good is this approach?

                          Anyways, good for Australia, although I doubt its because they are deniers. I just think the trade off is too costly, for economies are how the modern world survives, literally.
                          The trouble here is the dag gummed hysteria that is coming from the nervous, paranoid Left.

                          Why is it that the beneficial effects from a slightly warmer earth are never talked about, discussed? Higher co2 is greening up the earth, even as we continue to destroy rain forests. A warmer earth and higher co2 is a good thing for life, not a bad thing. We will be able to produce more food, and that's a great effect. I am sure there are many, many more positive effects, yet we only hear about the doom and gloom, most of which is manufactured, once you exclude the fact that sea levels will rise. Won't be the first time. Many ancient cities and ancient settlements have been under water for thousands of years. Because sea levels that were lower in the ice ages rose when the earth warmed up. We lost some of the fauna, like the mammoth, perhaps, but we are not sure if the ending of an ice age did that. Could have been something else.

                          I would imagine a lot of locations will have to copy Holland with the dikes or something similar. Other cities and towns will have to scoot inward far enough to avoid the rising seas. If the water rises slowly instead of suddenly, this would be an economic boom, putting people to work. Some place like New Orleans might no longer exist, but sometimes there are just places one should not put a city.

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                            Re: Australia Leads The Way!

                            Originally posted by tsquare View Post
                            Way to go Australia!

                            We'll need to do a lot of this repealing of failed liberal policies, come January 2017.
                            As long as the Oligarchs want liberal policies repealed, and you had republican control, only then would you see them repealed.

                            That is really how this deal works. It could be that the oligarchs are ambivalent in regards to ACA, as they are with other policy. But if it is policy, liberal or not, that they want, and got, the republicans won't touch it, even if Bernie sanders was its author.

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                              Re: Australia Leads The Way!

                              Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                              As long as the Oligarchs want liberal policies repealed, and you had republican control, only then would you see them repealed.
                              Oligarchs... like Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Hollywood, Silicon Valley... liberals all.

                              When you say Oligarchs you THINK you are covering both sides. In fact, you are only hitting the far left liberals...

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