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  • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
    Imagine that, this "consensus" among scientists about "climate change" ...

    ... well, how do I say this ?

    Ah, I got it !

    We've been told that there is a "consensus" among scientists about man caused "global warming" ..

    ... or wait, they changed it to "climate change" ... yes, but we've been lied to !

    There IS NO CONSENSUS among scientists - not even among CLIMATE SCIENTISTS OR METEOROLIGISTS - concerning this fraud given to us by one Al Gore. Who made a lot of money creating a nice propaganda peice called "An Inconvenient Truth"

    When will we get it ?

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    Prominent Scientists Declare Climate Claims Ahead of UN Summit ‘Irrational’ – ‘Based On Nonsense’ – ‘Leading us down a false path’

    ....
    Lindzen noted that National Academy of Sciences president Dr. Ralph Cicerone has even admitted that there is no evidence for a catastrophic claims of man-made global warming. See: Backing away from climate alarm? NAS Pres. Ralph Cicerone says ‘we don’t have that kind of evidence’ to claim we are ‘going to fry’ from AGW

    ....... the same bad idea originally dreamed up by Al Gore.
    There is no consensus on GW, if by consensus one means there is no dissenting vote. By that standard, scientists do not have consensus on the theory of relativity. Let's go to the statement supposedly made by NAS Pres. Ralph Cicerone, "We don't have that kind of evidence to claim that we are going to fry..." Notice the dots in my quote? It means it was not the complete statement. As a matter of fact, that quote is from someone who was interviewing Cicerone, that complete statement is here:
    I mean, you're not saying "If we don't do these things, we're going to go to hell in a handbasket, we're going to fry, in a few years".
    https://sites.google.com/site/mytran...me/20120713_r4
    That was said by John Humphrys in a BBC interview with Cicerone, who agreed that controlling CO2 was not so urgent it had to be executed in a few years. Interesting interview, BTW, because Cicerone made clear he disagreed with Lindzen on one point concerning CO2.

    Point to be made on this post: Bullshit -such as that dreamed up by Al Gore- is also present on the right wing side of this debate. Your source for Cicerone is faulty, and weakens your argument.

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    • Originally posted by radcentr View Post
      There is no consensus on GW, if by consensus one means there is no dissenting vote. By that standard, scientists do not have consensus on the theory of relativity. Let's go to the statement supposedly made by NAS Pres. Ralph Cicerone, "We don't have that kind of evidence to claim that we are going to fry..." Notice the dots in my quote? It means it was not the complete statement. As a matter of fact, that quote is from someone who was interviewing Cicerone, that complete statement is here:

      https://sites.google.com/site/mytran...me/20120713_r4
      That was said by John Humphrys in a BBC interview with Cicerone, who agreed that controlling CO2 was not so urgent it had to be executed in a few years. Interesting interview, BTW, because Cicerone made clear he disagreed with Lindzen on one point concerning CO2.

      Point to be made on this post: Bullshit -such as that dreamed up by Al Gore- is also present on the right wing side of this debate. Your source for Cicerone is faulty, and weakens your argument.
      I did not author the article I cited. I highlighted points that stood out to me.

      I said;

      "We've been told that there is a "consensus" among scientists about man caused "global warming" ..

      ... or wait, they changed it to "climate change" ..."


      We've been told that there IS consensus.

      Told aggressively that there is such an agreement among ALL scientists that "golbal warming" is caused by man and is the absolute truth.

      ... errr .. NO .. now it's "climate change"

      ... so I made note of how the term was changed to "climate change" - I'm unsure if it's necessary to point out that our planets climate has "changed" since it has existed. It's a natural process that happens because of many factors - some of which we are still unaware of. . we aren't "all knowing" after-all.

      ...

      Here is what Ralph Cicerone said in an interview with John Humphreys:

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      John Humphrys: You don't sound - if I can use this word - apocalyptic. I mean, you're not saying "If we don't do these things, we're going to go to hell in a handbasket, we're going to fry, in a few years".

      Ralph Cicerone: Well, there are people who are saying those things -

      John Humphrys: But not you.

      Ralph Cicerone: No. I don't think it's useful, I don't think it gets us anywhere, and we don't have that kind of evidence. Obviously, what a self-fulfilling prophecy that would be. It's like someone running down the main street of a small town saying "The bank is going to fail! The bank is going to fail!" And sure enough, everyone goes to the bank and removes their deposits, and guess what? The bank fails. So...

      John Humphrys: Professor Cicerone, thank you very much indeed.

      https://sites.google.com/site/mytran...me/20120713_r4

      ----------------------------------------------------------------------

      So there we have the more complete statement.

      I found it interesting what MANY in the scientific community have said about this issue. Especially statements like the following

      Greenpeace Co-Founder Dr. Patrick Moore: 'We are dealing with pure political propaganda that has nothing to do with science.'

      and

      Princeton Physicist Dr. Will Happer: 'Policies to slow CO2 emissions are really based on nonsense. We are being led down a false path. To call carbon dioxide a pollutant is really Orwellian. You are calling something a pollutant that we all produce. Where does that lead us eventually?'

      My point being that this should not BE a "right-wing" "left-wing" argument or debate any more than it should be a POLITICAL argument or debate.

      The truth is that we - scientists included - do not have all the facts, factors or data to honestly know if human "activity" on earth has ANY effect on earths climate.

      We can surmize and theorize. Our "politicians" can dream up fantastic tales of terror to scare the hell out of people so they can dream up "solutions" to the "problems" they invented out of thin air. . . and we see that happening.

      What's always interesting is how the "solutions" dreamt up by these "politicians" always benefit themselves but no one else !!


      They make "laws" and "policies" that we will have to follow . . . and exempt themselves.




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      • We'll I've heard a lot and heard a lot said in many different ways, but Bernie Sanders put into one sentence that climate change is the reason for terrorists. Don't remember each exact word, but that's close enough. It shocks me that there is even 1 person in his corner after that, but oh yes their is. And not just 1. The scariest thing is that I do think he actually believes it. Is this the level of intelligence that we want leading our country. I'm pretty confident that Obama, Hillary, etc. don't actually believe it, but it's alarming that their are so many of these types of people that could be convinced that the earth is flat, if that's what Obama and company told them. Ignoring the scientists regarding man made climate change is the same thing. Though climate change is a good a better and easier manipulation, as no one has ever fallen off the earth, and a round earth can be seen or experience, the man made climate change theory is claiming that all who believe now, will not live to experience the deadly effects in the future. A ploy to play on the hearts of those who care about the future of their children and mans existence. In 50 years from now, I'm sure they will come up with an explanation as to why the destruction of mankind has been moved another 50 years into the future. And so one. And 200 years from now, I'm sure their will be enough fools to believe it's coming in another 50 years.

        What I'm looking for here is scientific evidence delivered that is more reasonable than not, to prove that man made climate change is factual. I'd accept a75% likely hood showing such evidence.Though I haven't heard it yet. Not by 1 person. Evidence!

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        • Originally posted by msc View Post
          We'll I've heard a lot and heard a lot said in many different ways, but Bernie Sanders put into one sentence that climate change is the reason for terrorists. Don't remember each exact word, but that's close enough. It shocks me that there is even 1 person in his corner after that, but oh yes their is. And not just 1. The scariest thing is that I do think he actually believes it. Is this the level of intelligence that we want leading our country. I'm pretty confident that Obama, Hillary, etc. don't actually believe it, but it's alarming that their are so many of these types of people that could be convinced that the earth is flat, if that's what Obama and company told them. Ignoring the scientists regarding man made climate change is the same thing. Though climate change is a good a better and easier manipulation, as no one has ever fallen off the earth, and a round earth can be seen or experience, the man made climate change theory is claiming that all who believe now, will not live to experience the deadly effects in the future. A ploy to play on the hearts of those who care about the future of their children and mans existence. In 50 years from now, I'm sure they will come up with an explanation as to why the destruction of mankind has been moved another 50 years into the future. And so one. And 200 years from now, I'm sure their will be enough fools to believe it's coming in another 50 years.

          What I'm looking for here is scientific evidence delivered that is more reasonable than not, to prove that man made climate change is factual. I'd accept a75% likely hood showing such evidence.Though I haven't heard it yet. Not by 1 person. Evidence!

          All the research is based on computer models, none of which have been proven by actual happenings. We have a theory of gravity that is born out by evidence. We have a theory of theory of climate change that, so far has not been born out by evidence and which is supposedly resolved by wealth redistribution. Tell me that's science.

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          • Originally posted by First Amendment of the US Constitution
            Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
            The Unitarian Universalist Fellowship of Boca Raton, Fla. awarded $30,000 Environmental Justice Small Grant

            ATLANTA – An Environmental Justice Small Grant from the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has been awarded to the Unitarian Universalist Fellowship of Boca Raton, Fla. for their project titled: Replicable and Scalable Community Climate Resilience Building in Two Communities in Palm Beach County, Florida. The Unitarian Universalist Fellowship is one of 40 non-profit and tribal organizations selected for award of nearly $1.2 million in competitive grants for work to address environmental justice (EJ) issues nationwide.

            The Unitarian Universalist Fellowship will use the grant money to create a Resilience Adaptation Community Toolkit (ReACT), and use it in community led neighborhood canvassing and at community meetings to provide education and training to reduce public health risks associated with increasingly severe storms and sea level rise associated with climate change in South Delray Beach, Fla. and the Pearl City area of Boca Raton, Fla.

            "EPA’s environmental justice grants help communities across the country understand and address exposure to multiple environmental harms and risks at the local level," said Matthew Tejada, Director of EPA’s Office of Environmental Justice. "Addressing the impacts of climate change is a priority for EPA and the projects supported by this year’s grants will help communities prepare for and build resilience to localized climate impacts."

            The grants enable these organizations to conduct research, provide education, and develop solutions to local health and environmental issues in minority and low-income communities overburdened by harmful pollution.

            EPA's EJ Small Grants have been a foundational piece to the portfolios of many community organizations that have gone on to make a visible difference in their communities. The 2015 grants will help organizations in 22 states and the U.S. Virgin Islands carry out projects that will educate residents about environmental issues that may impact their health, collect data about local environmental conditions, and work collaboratively to address environmental justice issues in their communities. The grants support activities that not only address a range of community concerns, but also support activities that are educating and empowering youth and the next generation of environmental stewards. Specific grant projects will focus on reducing exposure to air pollutants from diesel exhaust, developing resilient sustainable agriculture, protecting farm workers from health impacts of pesticides, and increasing community climate resiliency.
            There are a lot of ways that the works of faith groups can coincide with wider community efforts. But this is not a soup kitchen, or a food bank, or a medical clinic, or a second hand thrift store that addresses a real problem. As a community group they could actually have an emergency preparedness program that addresses the impact of storm surge, impacts that have happened there for all of human history, though that would better fall under the purview of FEMA and the DHS. This is preaching an unholy alliance of climate change and the reverse racism of "social justice" from the pulpit, which is not only unconstitutional, but all the evidence one should ever need to conclude that both are the religion of the left.

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            • Originally posted by Commodore View Post

              The Unitarian Universalist Fellowship of Boca Raton, Fla. awarded $30,000 Environmental Justice Small Grant



              There are a lot of ways that the works of faith groups can coincide with wider community efforts. But this is not a soup kitchen, or a food bank, or a medical clinic, or a second hand thrift store that addresses a real problem. As a community group they could actually have an emergency preparedness program that addresses the impact of storm surge, impacts that have happened there for all of human history, though that would better fall under the purview of FEMA and the DHS. This is preaching an unholy alliance of climate change and the reverse racism of "social justice" from the pulpit, which is not only unconstitutional, but all the evidence one should ever need to conclude that both are the religion of the left.
              Of course they are !

              Ever tried to have a civil discussion with a leftist about these issues, if you weren't 100% in agreement with them ?

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              • Originally posted by Commodore View Post
                .....
                There are a lot of ways that the works of faith groups can coincide with wider community efforts. But this is not a soup kitchen, or a food bank, or a medical clinic, or a second hand thrift store that addresses a real problem. As a community group they could actually have an emergency preparedness program that addresses the impact of storm surge, impacts that have happened there for all of human history, though that would better fall under the purview of FEMA and the DHS. This is preaching an unholy alliance of climate change and the reverse racism of "social justice" from the pulpit, which is not only unconstitutional, but all the evidence one should ever need to conclude that both are the religion of the left.
                OK, I went to the toolkit website and didn't find where the People's Revolutionary Vanguard blamed The Man for the imminent crash of our environment. It gives people information on climate change without assigning blame or a time deadline. It provides ideas on what might happen if a given area goes under the water or experiences long term drought.

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                • Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                  OK, I went to the toolkit website and didn't find where the People's Revolutionary Vanguard blamed The Man for the imminent crash of our environment. It gives people information on climate change without assigning blame or a time deadline. It provides ideas on what might happen if a given area goes under the water or experiences long term drought.
                  Just what do you think "environmental justice" means?

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                  • Originally posted by Commodore View Post
                    Just what do you think "environmental justice" means?

                    It means redistributing wealth.

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                    • Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                      OK, I went to the toolkit website and didn't find where the People's Revolutionary Vanguard blamed The Man for the imminent crash of our environment. It gives people information on climate change without assigning blame or a time deadline. It provides ideas on what might happen if a given area goes under the water or experiences long term drought.
                      If it is an area susceptible to going underwater or drought based on history and scientific evidence, then it's a good plan to offer, but if it is offered as a possibility lacking reality, due to the deadly climate change to come, then it is taking advantage of people and preaching nonsense.

                      The climate change garbage is devaluing the reasonable education of keeping our planet clean and eliminating actual health risks.

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                      • Originally posted by msc View Post
                        If it is an area susceptible to going underwater or drought based on history and scientific evidence, then it's a good plan to offer, but if it is offered as a possibility lacking reality, due to the deadly climate change to come, then it is taking advantage of people and preaching nonsense.

                        The climate change garbage is devaluing the reasonable education of keeping our planet clean and eliminating actual health risks.
                        Case in point...

                        Anti-Nuclear Power Hysteria and its Significant Contribution to Global Warming

                        Guest post by Michael Dickey (cross posted from his website matus1976.com)

                        The decline of nuclear power has had a significant effect on global carbon emissions and subsequently any anthropogenic global warming effect.
                        ...
                        Let us take a look then at U.S. carbon emissions if the U.S. had simply built and operated the power plants that were originally planned.


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                        • No money in that global warming scam:

                          Global Warming Double Dipper Enriches Family With Tax Dollars

                          Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2015/11/24/gl...#ixzz3sQgdyPEx

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                          • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post


                            It means redistributing wealth.
                            But not like you probably think. It isn't redistributing to the African poor, its redistributing to the banking cabal and MNCs. So this is how it works. Middle class and working class and the poor are taxed, via their electrical bills. This money then has to travel through private sector hands, the banking cabal being one of them, which exact a handling charge for getting the money from here to Africa. So they dip their pelican sized beaks in the steady flow of money, pulling out their share. Then it eventually ends up in Africa, but its used not to feed or clothe the poor, but in the hands of MNCs who then use it to build the infrastructure needed in deep dark Africa in order that other MNCs can move there to take advantage of the poor Africans, for their labor.. If the African people get a few water wells to help combat water born illnesses, of course that is good, but most of the money ends up in either corrupt African politicians pockets and MNCs.

                            None of these AGW people are raising hell about planting trees and co2 loving plants to naturally pull down those levels. And until they do, I will not trust their motivation. We have monumental problems with our irresponsible actions in regards to our ecosystem, and will destroy ourselves by irresponsible behavior created by demanding disposable widgets and the psychological affliction of trying to keep up with the Jones'. By defining ourselves, our self images by whether we own the newest status symbol widgets. The human psyche is diseased, sick, which promotes irresponsible behavior when it comes to what sustains life, the earth's ecosystem. The earth will reboot, after it kills homo sapiens off. For it has more intelligence than we do.

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                            • Originally posted by Blue Doggy View Post
                              But not like you probably think. It isn't redistributing to the African poor, its redistributing to the banking cabal and MNCs. So this is how it works. Middle class and working class and the poor are taxed, via their electrical bills. This money then has to travel through private sector hands, the banking cabal being one of them, which exact a handling charge for getting the money from here to Africa. So they dip their pelican sized beaks in the steady flow of money, pulling out their share. Then it eventually ends up in Africa, but its used not to feed or clothe the poor, but in the hands of MNCs who then use it to build the infrastructure needed in deep dark Africa in order that other MNCs can move there to take advantage of the poor Africans, for their labor.. If the African people get a few water wells to help combat water born illnesses, of course that is good, but most of the money ends up in either corrupt African politicians pockets and MNCs.

                              None of these AGW people are raising hell about planting trees and co2 loving plants to naturally pull down those levels. And until they do, I will not trust their motivation. We have monumental problems with our irresponsible actions in regards to our ecosystem, and will destroy ourselves by irresponsible behavior created by demanding disposable widgets and the psychological affliction of trying to keep up with the Jones'. By defining ourselves, our self images by whether we own the newest status symbol widgets. The human psyche is diseased, sick, which promotes irresponsible behavior when it comes to what sustains life, the earth's ecosystem. The earth will reboot, after it kills homo sapiens off. For it has more intelligence than we do.
                              Why drill them wells, the environment will be much better off if they are dead.

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                              • It Was All a Lie! German Scientist Confirms NASA Fiddled with Climate Data


                                http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015...-climate-data/

                                http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...ievable-scale/
                                Last edited by OldmanDan; 11-24-2015, 06:24 PM.

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