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  • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

    That article is three years old. Global temperatures have not increased significantly in the last 20 years. It's a scam and you fell for it because you read garbage.
    Facts be damned, right ? In the world where evidence matters and is presented it's been warming.


    • The two feet of global warming falling from the sky right now obviously didn't get the memo.


      • Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post

        Facts be damned, right ? In the world where evidence matters and is presented it's been warming.

        100% Of US Warming Is Due To NOAA Data Tampering

        Climate change whistleblower alleges NOAA manipulated data to hide global warming pause2


        • "The Pause" is BS. There was no pause there was a curiosity in no substantial increase in the rate of increase. The chart most fools haul out to show "the pause" clearly indicates it is about the change in the rate of increase not in actual warming


          • Originally posted by redrover View Post
            Let's all get together and pray to make it go away. Or at least make the scientists go away.
            Yes, let's pray . . . .

            ..."... Lord in Heaven, rover wants all those scientists who point out the poor methodology used to support the theory of man caused global warming to stop telling the truth and join the global warming crusaders. Lord in Heaven, we ask that Donald Trump stop flying his expensive gas guzzling airplane around . . . Al Gore could cut back a bit too . . . and we ask that all conservatives stop driving cars and begin riding bikes . . . . Liberals might like to cut back a little . . . and we ask that all the oil companies would stop drilling for oil and destroying our world..... and everyone should get a bike ! - Amen "


            • It always depends on where you get your information and WHAT you want to believe. . . which affects where you may decide to GET your information... if you take the time to do a very good study of this subject, you will find that we simply do not know and can NOT predict the future of Earths changing climate. You will find that Earths climate has always changed and will continue to always change whether we humans are here or not.


              When the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change recently requested a figure for its annual report, to show global temperature trends over the last 10,000 years, the University of WisconsinMadisons Zhengyu Liu knew that was going to be a problem.

              We have been building models and there are now robust contradictions, says Liu, a professor in the UWMadison Department of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences and the Center for Climatic Research. Data from observation says global cooling. The physical model says it has to be warming.

              Writing in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences today, Liu and colleagues from Rutgers University, the National Center for Atmospheric Research, the Alfred Wegener Institute for Polar and Marine Research, the University of Hawaii, the University of Reading, the Chinese Academy of Sciences, and the University of Albany describe a consistent global warming trend over the course of the Holocene, our current geological epoch, counter to a study published last year that described a period of global cooling before human influence.

              The scientists call this problem the Holocene temperature conundrum. It has important implications for understanding climate change and evaluating climate models, as well as for the benchmarks used to create climate models for the future. It does not, the authors emphasize, change the evidence of human impact on global climate beginning in the 20th century.

              The question is, Who is right? says Liu. Or, maybe none of us is completely right. It could be partly a data problem, since some of the data in last years study contradicts itself. It could partly be a model problem because of some missing physical mechanisms.


              Because interpretation of these proxies is complicated, Liu and colleagues believe they may not adequately address the bigger picture. For instance, biological samples taken from a core deposited in the summer may be different from samples at the exact same site had they been taken from a winter sediment. Its a limitation the authors of last years study recognize.

              In the Northern Atlantic, there is cooling and warming data the (climate change) community hasnt been able to figure out, says Liu.



              Storch said the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) would have to address these facts in its next climate assessment report due out late next year.

              The interview includes this exchange about what this 15-year data showing virtually no rise in the Earths temperature means going forward.

              In a June 20 interview with Spiegel Online, German climate scientist Hans von Storch said that despite predictions of a warming planet the temperature data for the past 15 years shows an increase of 0.06 or very close to zero.

              Would you say that people no longer reflexively attribute every severe weather event to global warming as much as they once did? the interviewer asked.

              Yes, my impression is that there is less hysteria over the climate, Storch said. There are certainly still people who almost ritualistically cry, Stop thief! Climate change is at fault! over any natural disaster.

              Storch, however, did not dismiss global warming completely when asked if changes in how scientist measure and predict the Earths climate will throw the whole concept into doubt.

              I don't believe so, Storch said. We still have compelling evidence of a man-made greenhouse effect. There is very little doubt about it. But if global warming continues to stagnate, doubts will obviously grow stronger.



              Earth has been getting hotter for the past 10,000 YEARS, contradicting studies that humans started global warming



              The big picture: 65 million years of temperature swings

              Our current warming is well within natural variation, and in view of the general decline in temperatures during the last half of this interglacial, is probably beneficial for mankind and most plants and animals. The graph clearly shows the Minoan Warming (about 3200 years ago), the Roman Warming (about 2000 years ago), and the Medieval Warm Period (about 900 years ago). Great advances in government, art, architecture, and science were made during these warmer times.



              • US scientists launch world's biggest solar geoengineering study

                Research program will send aerosol injections into the earths upper atmosphere to study the risks and benefits of a future solar tech-fix for climate change

                US scientists are set to send aerosol injections 20km up into the earths stratosphere in the worlds biggest solar geoengineering programme to date, to study the potential of a future tech-fix for global warming.

                The $20m (16m) Harvard University project will launch within weeks and aims to establish whether the technology can safely simulate the atmospheric cooling effects of a volcanic eruption, if a last ditch bid to halt climate change is one day needed.

                Scientists hope to complete two small-scale dispersal of first water and then calcium carbonate particles by 2022. Future tests could involve seeding the sky with aluminium oxide or even diamonds.

                This is not the first or the only university study, said Gernot Wagner, the projects co-founder, but it is most certainly the largest, and the most comprehensive.

                Janos Pasztor, Ban Ki-moons assistant climate chief at the UN who now leads a geoengineering governance initiative, said that the Harvard scientists would only disperse minimal amounts of compounds in their tests, under strict university controls.

                The real issue here is something much more challenging, he said What does moving experimentation from the lab into the atmosphere mean for the overall path towards eventual deployment?

                Geoengineering advocates stress that any attempt at a solar tech fix is years away and should be viewed as a compliment to not a substitute for aggressive emissions reductions action...But the Harvard team, in a promotional video for the project, suggest a redirection of one percent of current climate mitigation funds to geoengineering research, and argue that the planet could be covered with a solar shield for as little as $10bn a year.

                Some senior UN climate scientists view such developments with alarm, fearing a cash drain from proven mitigation technologies such as wind and solar energy, to ones carrying the potential for unintended disasters.

                Kevin Trenberth, a lead author for the UNs intergovernmental panel on climate change, said that despair at sluggish climate action, and the rise of Donald Trump were feeding the current tech trend.

                But solar geoengineering is not the answer, he said. Cutting incoming solar radiation affects the weather and hydrological cycle. It promotes drought. It destabilizes things and could cause wars. The side effects are many and our models are just not good enough to predict the outcomes

                Natural alterations to the earths radiation balance can be short-lasting, but terrifying. A 1991 Mount Pinatubo eruption lowered global temperatures by 0.5C, while the Mount Tambora eruption in 1815 triggered Europes year without a summer, bringing crop failure, famine and disease.
                Step 1: Block Solar Radiation at the beginning of a Grand Solar Minimum.
                Step 2: Spark massive droughts, famines, and exacerbate what is already apt to be a mini ice age, and then do an about face and blame it all on the sun.
                Step 3: Starve the developing world, and take over the developed one in the midst of the crisis.
                Step 4: "Save" the world, but only a fraction of it's population.


                • Originally posted by Commodore View Post
                  US scientists launch world's biggest solar geoengineering study

                  Step 1: Block Solar Radiation at the beginning of a Grand Solar Minimum.
                  Step 2: Spark massive droughts, famines, and exacerbate what is already apt to be a mini ice age, and then do an about face and blame it all on the sun.
                  Step 3: Starve the developing world, and take over the developed one in the midst of the crisis.
                  Step 4: "Save" the world, but only a fraction of it's population.
                  Another repeat of history.

                  Human beings and the self destructive part of themselves, comes through again LOL ... built in population control I guess. MUST be, since it always occurs.

                  But we're so smart and "advanced."

                  Oh yes, so advanced. Why we're on the cutting edge of ... of ... of ,... becoming Gods !!!

                  ... this problem solves itself always, arrogance our death sentence again


                  • New Euro-studies Confirm Sun Dominates Earths Climate

                    Last year, the worlds top particle physics research facility, CERN, turned the global warming debate upside down. CERN found, in the first-ever laboratory analysis of cloud chemistry, that solar variationsnot CO2 moleculeswere the biggest factor in the earths recent warmings! To be fair, climate modelers always admitted that clouds were the biggest unsolved mystery in climate change.

                    CERNs CLOUD experiment findings are now being used to model predictions for the next 100 yearsand the model shows a solar sunspot minimum will soon lower earths temperatures by half a degree C. The long cold minimum is expected to hit about 2040, and such minimums have historically lasted about 60 years. Equally important, the solar minimum will come on the heels of the current 20-year hiatus in earths warming, which has defied the climate modelers.

                    Together, the two events could mean no trend increase in earths thermometer readings from 1998 until after 2100! Thats a century of non-warming, and neither occurrence is connected to CO2 changes. This finding demotes CO2 to a supporting role, contributing no more than one degree C warming for a redoubling of atmospheric CO2.

                    The new modeling was done by four European institutes, all previously strong supporters of the CO2/greenhouse-gas theory: The Physical Meteorological Observatory Davos (PMOD), the Swiss Federal Institute of Aquatic Science and Technology (EAWAG), ETH Zurich and the University of Bern.


                    • These guys must not be among the 97%. Can't be a real scientist if you don't toe the government line.


                      • The mancausedglobalwarmingclimatechange scam keeps being exposed.

                        Another way for politicians to rip you off.

                        First they saw lots of money for themselves in insurance - an industry that profits by the SAME principles used by the gambling/casino industry.

                        Then they saw more money in legalizing drugs like marijuana.

                        There's a motherlode for them in the scam of mancausedglobalwarmingclimatechange. This gets them into regulating our ways of transportation - a part of our lives that we wouldn't survive without today.

                        So we have a politician start this off by making a movie.

                        It's talked & argued about for years.

                        The conversation and brainwashing was begun....

                        Then we have scientists proclaiming a "consensus" even though there is not . . . this is talked & argued about for years. We have newscasters & weather reporters taking part in the game of brainwashing us when every weather event is put into the perspective of climate change . . . this goes on and on, preparing us to be massively regulated and taxed "FOR OUR OWN GOOD, FOR THE SURVIVAL OF OUR CHILDREN" etc etc etc nonsense of every kind imaginable. "The survival of the polar bear, the Titmouse and the sand flea..we have to stop this horrible disaster blah blah blah...."

                        What we need to be aware of is the insatiable greed of these politician people. They will say and do almost anything to steal your money.

                        Get it ????


                        former scientist at the NOAA has exposed a shoddy report on global warming. Judicial Watch is suing to learn more.


                        The FOIA specifically requests correspondence between Tom Karl, the former head of the climate-data program at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), and John Holdren, the director of Obamas Office of Science and Technology Policy. Holdren is from that species of Baby Boomer global catastrophists who make changing predictions each decade about how we will all die. He also happens to be the science guy who had the presidents ear for eight years.

                        Holdrens buddy, Tom Karl, authored a report in 2015 attempting to disprove the hiatus in global warming that had been widely acknowledged by many scientific groups, including the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

                        The warming pause threatened to undermine the justification for a costly climate-change pact that was being negotiated at the time: How could world leaders commit trillions in tax dollars to stop global warming if it wasnt actually happening?

                        Karls report came to the rescue just months before the Paris Climate Conference.

                        In announcing his findings, Karl said the new analysis suggests that the apparent hiatus may have been largely the result of limitations in past datasets, and that the rate of warming over the first 15 years of this century has, in fact, been as fast or faster than that seen over the last half of the 20th century.

                        How convenient. His analysis was eagerly accepted by the international science community, but others were leery about its timing; the House Science Committee has been leading an inquiry into the report for nearly two years. But a retired top official at NOAA has now confirmed suspicions about the veracity of Karls research and about whether politics not science were at play.



                        Lies to cover up lies and more lies. "...limitations in past datasets.."

                        The evidence isn't the evidence... it's the evidence of something else.... NOT evidence of these peoples ignorance and incompetence and hunger for YOUR MONEY of course LOL

                        These people are the lowest.


                        • More of that left wing science:
                          Potential Apocalypse: NYT Warns Of Global Warming Floods Of Biblical Proportions

                          The claim:

                          The New York Times has taken warnings about global warming to a whole new level, publishing a three-part series suggesting a potential apocalypse from melting ice sheets if humans keep pumping carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.

                          If that ice sheet were to disintegrate, it could raise the level of the sea by more than 160 feet a potential apocalypse, depending on exactly how fast it happened, NYT reporter Justin Gillis wrote of what some scientists predict could happen to Antarctica.
                          The facts:


                          • Originally posted by JDJarvis View Post
                            Re: About That Global Warming...

                            Variations in the solar cycle would neither prove nor disprove AGW alone. If there is a decline in solar activity and the earh isn't cooling as fast as the decline would suggest I'd warrant that's an argument in favor of AGW.
                            The point is that no model of AGW has yet to yield accurate and consistent predictions of FUTURE climate changes, and therefore simply should not be taken as hard evidence of the accuracy of the assumptions upon which they are modeled (such as the extent or impact of various greenhouse gas emissions from manmade sources). Certainly not to the extent that we should take actions which we KNOW will do tremendous harm to economic growth and human well being. For example, the impact of Ethanol production on crop prices can be traced in a pretty straight casual line to actual deaths in poor nations due to increases in food prices.


                            • Originally posted by Marcus1124 View Post

                              The point is that no model of AGW has yet to yield accurate and consistent predictions of FUTURE climate changes, and therefore simply should not be taken as hard evidence of the accuracy of the assumptions upon which they are modeled (such as the extent or impact of various greenhouse gas emissions from manmade sources). Certainly not to the extent that we should take actions which we KNOW will do tremendous harm to economic growth and human well being. For example, the impact of Ethanol production on crop prices can be traced in a pretty straight casual line to actual deaths in poor nations due to increases in food prices.
                              We don't care if the poor people in those countries eat, as long as they don't fart.


                              • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post

                                We don't care if the poor people in those countries eat, as long as they don't fart.
                                Yes, think about the implications of liberal beliefs. If CO2 emissions are a threat to the planet...doesn't that mean every exhale we take is a crime against the planet in their view?