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  • Originally posted by radcentr View Post
    Carbon-based fuels are supplied by a few countries. For coal, 80% of the world's reserves are found in only six (6) countries. For oil reserves, 80% of it is controlled by ten (10) countries.

    That, and that alone, could be the reason China is going big into renewables and away from coal/petroleum.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...port-for-solar

    Of course, China will run propaganda that they love the environment and don't want to harm people with by-products of coal/petroleum use. But the real reason is because fossil fuels are much more unstable in price and availability than renewables can be. Even poor countries like Nicaragua are going heavily into renewables, and for the same reason.

    Sorry BD. We're not going to burn more carbon to warm up the planet if it cools down. If land for food production shrinks, the easier way is to reduce our population to a point where we can be sustained by whatever land can be cultivated, while providing for other species needed to maintain a long-term environment. That strategy is much more practical than trying to figure out how much gas we should or should not pump into the atmosphere.

    LOL Darn it. I was just fairly certain that my remark about saving fossil fuels for the next ice age would be taken as I meant it...tongue in cheek, yanking on the leg, a poke in the ribs, a wink of the eye.

    But I will once again bring up the fact, that for as long as man has been on this earth as homo sapiens, the warming spells man has experienced has always been a booster shot for prosperity, and population grew, people were healthier and better fed. We didn't mind pitching our tents or moving our huts a little more up hill from the water's edge because the benefits from more food production outweighed moving to a bit higher ground. This will also be a great investment opportunity for the middle class, if we have one left, which is doubtful. All of that ocean front property is owned mostly by the rich folks. And they will be losing that. So, buy yourself some land, inland, to where the new coast line will form, and make a real estate killing when the sea level rises.

    The cesspool of inequity called Naw' Leans, down on the gulf coast, will be lost, but hey, God tried to destroy it a few years ago, according to Pat Robertson. This time, he will succeed. LOL Another cess pool, Miami will also be consumed by great salty waters, but it isn't a nice place these days, another den of inequity. NYC will be in great peril, but you ever notice just how rude those people are up there? The queers in San Francisco will have to move too, and perhaps we can spread em out more, to get rid of the smell. (ok, I made sure this time, there could be no mistake I am yanking on legs)

    Good thing is, I won't have to move at all.


    On a serious note, China is probably one of the few nations that has a long term outlook. Whereas the US is notable for not looking past the next Quarter.

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    • Yet more evidence of our global warming "consensus."


      The consensus IS .. Al Gore and other snake oil salesmen made a lot of money selling fools a theory based on something other than science.


      But hey, I've heard an inconvenient truth was fun to watch. . . even though it's a convenient - for Al at least - LIE.


      .... another politician that lies and makes a lot of money doing it ... *yawn* ... What's new ?


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      The Max Planck Institute in Germany is among the worlds most prestigious scientific research institutions, and a new study coming from its Institute for Meteorology cannot be dismissed by warmist profiteers like Al Gore.

      A new study out of Germany casts further doubt on the so-called global warming consensus by suggesting the atmosphere may be less sensitive to increases in carbon dioxide emissions than most scientists think.

      Going forward we should expect less warming from future greenhouse gas emissions than climate models are projecting, write climate scientists Pat Michaels and Chip Knappenberger with the libertarian Cato Institute, adding that this study could be a death blow to global warming hysteria.


      http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/..._hysteria.html

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      • Originally posted by Captain Trips View Post
        Yet more evidence of our global warming "consensus."


        The consensus IS .. Al Gore and other snake oil salesmen made a lot of money selling fools a theory based on something other than science.


        But hey, I've heard an inconvenient truth was fun to watch. . . even though it's a convenient - for Al at least - LIE.


        .... another politician that lies and makes a lot of money doing it ... *yawn* ... What's new ?


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        The Max Planck Institute in Germany is among the world’s most prestigious scientific research institutions, and a new study coming from its Institute for Meteorology cannot be dismissed by warmist profiteers like Al Gore.

        A new study out of Germany casts further doubt on the so-called global warming “consensus” by suggesting the atmosphere may be less sensitive to increases in carbon dioxide emissions than most scientists think.

        “Going forward we should expect less warming from future greenhouse gas emissions than climate models are projecting,” write climate scientists Pat Michaels and Chip Knappenberger with the libertarian Cato Institute, adding that this study could be a “death blow” to global warming hysteria.


        http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/..._hysteria.html
        Just as an aside, let us all suppose that the final nail in the MMGW hysteria is finally hammered in by this study. What will the NEXT crisis manufactured be to fleece us? We have run the gamut with the libs, and this one is finally losing significant steam. Only the fanatics are still in hysteria, and most everyone else laughs at them. They will come up with a new one; they always do!

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        • The next manufactured "crisis" is happening already.

          Now states are signing - or not - bills about something that shouldn't even be a subject.

          Religious freedom bills !

          In America ?

          Yeah !

          Why ?

          ..... so they can "discriminate" against gays and lesbians !?!?!?

          No, it has nothing to do with that but that's the "news" all over all of the media.


          This has to be a skit for Saturday night live ?

          Maybe Mad TV ? Monty Pythons flying circus ?

          No ... oh no ,. this is the stupidity we're watching everywhere LOL


          Go march on the capitol and fly your moronic rainbow flags ... my God people are stupid LOL

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          • ... Speaking of Monty Pythons Flying Circus or Mad TV, here's an idea for a fun skit..

            Have a couple of flaming "homosexuals" go into a Christian Bakery and ask them to bake a cake for their gay "wedding."

            The owners of the bakery shop KNOW that if they don't do this, they will have to shut down their business, otherwise these gays will have tantrums for the media, which will put on a big show about how this "poor gay couple" is being "discriminated against."

            So they agree to go ahead and provide these gays their "wedding cake."

            It gets entertaining watching them trying to make an honest effort baking a cake celebrating this "lifestyle."

            ... the showstopper comes when they deliver it to the location. ... I can imagine many entertaining scenarios LOL

            This crap is MADE for comedy.

            Next of course we'll have to have a BBQ shop owned by a black family that is forced to cater to a ceremony being held by the KKK that is about the supremacy of the Caucasian race ... and the KKK found a judge who thought it only fair that if Christians had to cater to homosexual "nuptials," then people of color would also have to cater to racist celebrations - we can't have discrimination you see ? No 'discrimination' of ANY sort LOL





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            • Originally posted by Commodore View Post
              China is switching off of coal because to provide enough power for their population with it would simultaneously render their cities uninhabitable.
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              A much more practical strategy is to move as much of our agricultural production indoors, minus some pleasant pastures that will support all but the largest mega-fauna, who can be raised in controlled environments.
              Sure, move it indoors. And find the water to maintain the greenhouse harvests. And the resources to clean up concentrated farming techniques (google "agricultural pollution rivers"). And energy to maintain both the greenhouse complex and housing, concentrating in ever larger and denser areas as we pursue your "Bigger and Better" model.

              Seriously, though: Most people, once they see the threats to overpopulation and have access to family planning technology, will opt for fewer people. That (zero pop growth) is already practiced -without coercion- in almost all economic mid/upper classes around the world.

              ZPG -or slow decline in world pop- is the easy way out by far. Your perpetual growth model has an end, and it would be much uglier than it needs to be.

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              • Originally posted by Imawhosure View Post

                Just as an aside, let us all suppose that the final nail in the MMGW hysteria is finally hammered in by this study. What will the NEXT crisis manufactured be to fleece us? We have run the gamut with the libs, and this one is finally losing significant steam. Only the fanatics are still in hysteria, and most everyone else laughs at them. They will come up with a new one; they always do!
                There's also the hysteria about the petroleum industry taking a dive. Look to that one popping up as people ditch those energy products for a stable, domestic source of energy, around the world.

                OMG!!! All those gas stations are going to close! All those petroleum field workers (in 10 countries, they'll forget to mention that detail) will get laid off!! Great fun and chuckles for those paying attention.

                For those not dancing to the tune of the Big Panic, investments can take advantage of the new technologies while also double-dipping into the petroleum scare. In short, go heavy into the first solar/wind/other renewable companies that scale up (from national to international production/sales). Also go heavy into those petroleum companies that dump their energy divisions (except for specialty fuels) in favor of polymer & lubricant products. They will scale down, but their company stock should be falling (a lot) short term, before investors figure out there will be solid demand for their products longer term. Dump the morons who insist they can continue selling energy from increasingly more difficult and expensive sources. Shale oil is just the first example of those more difficult sources.

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                • Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                  Sure, move it indoors. And find the water to maintain the greenhouse harvests. And the resources to clean up concentrated farming techniques (google "agricultural pollution rivers"). And energy to maintain both the greenhouse complex and housing, concentrating in ever larger and denser areas as we pursue your "Bigger and Better" model.
                  Are you familiar with the term aquaponics, or it's more advanced cousin, microponics? These systems produce fish and produce by recirculating water containing fish effluent through produce beds, which employ the effluent as fertilizer, cleaning the water, and returning it to the fish. Microponics expands on this model by adding a variety of micro livestock, using the compostable waste products from people and the livestock to produce feed. The end result requires about 90% less water than conventional agriculture. And while such systems do use energy for pumps, lighting, and HVAC, it's still far less than that required by industrial agriculture. Producing produce continuously, independent of climate or season greatly reduces that amount of real estate required per family, and further reduces the energy use by eliminating the need to transport foodstuffs over vast distances. There is literally no waste in such a system, and it could be built in any human environment, from the suburban basement to the urban high rise.

                  People spend a lot of time attacking industrial agriculture for pollution, pesticides, water usage, and nutritional deficiencies. While all those things are technically true, the real reason such methods are currently used is that people, by and large, want as little to do with the process of producing their food as possible. Apparently it's gross. They don't even want to cook. At the rate California is going, soon their not going to have a choice.

                  Originally posted by radcentr View Post
                  Seriously, though: Most people, once they see the threats to overpopulation and have access to family planning technology, will opt for fewer people. That (zero pop growth) is already practiced -without coercion- in almost all economic mid/upper classes around the world.

                  ZPG -or slow decline in world pop- is the easy way out by far. Your perpetual growth model has an end, and it would be much uglier than it needs to be.
                  When you consider how much land is used for industrial agriculture in this country, and agriculture in general overseas, the myth of overpopulation is exposed. Skip the plane and drive across the country sometime, and you'll see just how much "empty" space there is, and how much land would be available for very comfortable habitation, if only people would suck it up and work with poop. Multiply that by regions rendered habitable by no longer limiting oneself to what conventional agriculture considers "fertile". The largest counties on Earth all have vast regions of sparsely populated areas, because they are either unsuitable for conventional agriculture, or are used extensively for conventional agriculture.

                  Someday we might run out of real estate, but we have several hundred years of it left thanks to agricultural methods that we have but have yet to employ. Long before we truly run out of land, we will be claiming or creating interplanetary, or even interstellar real estate.

                  But that is only if we abandon both cultural and economic population control. Countries that drop below replacement rates independent of foreign immigration inevitably stagnate economically, and are threatened with collapse with insufficiently controlled immigration and welfare states, which leaves very little resources for real technological progress.
                  Last edited by Commodore; 04-02-2015, 12:44 AM.

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                  • The reason the land is empty is that we're not the only inhabitants of this planet. If you put all the land to agriculture where will all the wildlife live or is that not important?

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                    • Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                      The reason the land is empty is that we're not the only inhabitants of this planet. If you put all the land to agriculture where will all the wildlife live or is that not important?

                      There is more wildlife in a corn field than any neighboring area.

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                      • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post
                        There is more wildlife in a corn field than any neighboring area.
                        I wonder how many of these so called "environmentalists" have ever been to a corn field.

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                        • Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                          The reason the land is empty is that we're not the only inhabitants of this planet. If you put all the land to agriculture where will all the wildlife live or is that not important?
                          There is ample wildlife in light residential areas surrounded by pastures and small wooded areas. Now, your not going to have true megafauna and apex predators, as they are not terribly compatible with civilization, but they can be preserved with ample genetic diversity in zoos.

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                          • Yeah right great, zoo's are a fantastic idea after we pave over the entire planet.
                            I suppose you think those forests are pointless as well, hell lets just go full Borg and have just one giant global megacity.

                            Screw wildlife until it can get a job like everyone else.

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                            • Originally posted by PeterUK75 View Post
                              Yeah right great, zoo's are a fantastic idea after we pave over the entire planet.
                              I suppose you think those forests are pointless as well, hell lets just go full Borg and have just one giant global megacity.

                              Screw wildlife until it can get a job like everyone else.

                              I don't know how much you have traveled the world but there is enough land between the lanes of the interstate highway in this country to feed the world. The Federal Government owns more land in this country than your whole country.

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                              • Originally posted by OldmanDan View Post


                                I don't know how much you have traveled the world but there is enough land between the lanes of the interstate highway in this country to feed the world. The Federal Government owns more land in this country than your whole country.

                                Oh really I'd love to see how you worked that out.
                                Come on impress me with your insight into how between the lanes of US roads there's enough space to feed over 7 billion people.

                                Here's a hint it takes about 1 acre to feed 1 person so you need 3 billion (I'm being conservative here and to give you a chance) acres of verges to do the job.

                                http://www.farmlandlp.com/2012/01/on...eeds-a-person/

                                Here's a slight problem though in that the US is only 2.3 billion acres according to this.

                                https://answers.yahoo.com/question/i...7131708AA3QJLe

                                So yes stun me with insight into how you work out that the US can feed the world just using the land on the interstate highway.

                                I think you overestimate how big the US is and don't realise that people who live in the UK know it's a small country as it's fucking obvious.

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